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Old 02-08-2012, 11:49 PM   #18
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What an interesting debate

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Old 02-09-2012, 12:04 AM   #19
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:16 AM   #20
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:02 AM   #21
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No one is freaked out, it's called giving responsible advice. You state that the Flex is not a rotary, however, the Flex is rated in OPM's AND RPM's. RPM's as in revolutions per minute, which is exactly how a rotary's power is rated. Now the Flex is no rotary but with the forced rotation, it can do some damage if used incorrectly. It also has a steeper learning curve. You say that it is as safe as a PC. That is absolutely not true. I would love to see two things. I would love to see you take a Flex out to your car and make a video of you doing what I do with the PC in these videos. I would also love to see you open your car up to anyone who wants to try the Flex out on your paint. This is only if you believe what you've posted.

At the same time, I would allow ANYONE with a PC to come buff on my paint, including kids. I do that all the time.





One more thing. The PC is a much better built polisher than the Flex. I've had my Flex serviced 3 times since I bought the thing. Neither my PC-7424 or my PC-7424XP have ever required service and I've had the PC-7424 for years. Those things are bullet proof.
It is a responsible post. I'm not gonna argue with you. You have your opinion, I have mine. As a Detailer of over 20 yrs. I would not let any one buff on my car. It's not the buffer but the operator that makes mistakes.
My thought is to buy the better polisher with the ability to do more paint correcting as the operator gains more experience.
If you burn the paint with the Flex... You really should allow a pro to do it.
If your a garage guy that likes to play with his car? Get the PC.
And I've had my Flex for over 5 years with absolutely no problems.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:11 AM   #22
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My number one rule of advice when it comes to paint care. Never tell a guy to do to his paint what I wouldn't allow him to do to mine.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:19 AM   #23
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This has been said a ton of times on this site (junkman you rule) thanks for your input. Feeling better about my next buy.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:34 PM   #24
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My number one rule of advice when it comes to paint care. Never tell a guy to do to his paint what I wouldn't allow him to do to mine.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:51 AM   #25
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My number one rule of advice when it comes to paint care. Never tell a guy to do to his paint what I wouldn't allow him to do to mine.
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I'd much rather have the PC over the Flex. It's a more versatile machine, and while it might take a little longer, it can take care of pretty much anything the Flex can with proper technique. It's also more comfortable to use in my experience.

I really can't think of a reason for any member here to own a Flex unless you do detailing on other cars. You simply don't need it on a brand new Camaro, and if you're reading anything in this section of the forum, your car is probably pretty well maintained already.

To me the Flex is like the .40. It's between the PC (9mm) and the rotary (.45), but it's kind of pointless.
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:37 AM   #27
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I'd much rather have the PC over the Flex. It's a more versatile machine, and while it might take a little longer, it can take care of pretty much anything the Flex can with proper technique. It's also more comfortable to use in my experience.

I really can't think of a reason for any member here to own a Flex unless you do detailing on other cars. You simply don't need it on a brand new Camaro, and if you're reading anything in this section of the forum, your car is probably pretty well maintained already.

To me the Flex is like the .40. It's between the PC (9mm) and the rotary (.45), but it's kind of pointless.
Wow, you must have been a fly on the wall in my garage. I couldn't agree more.

I will say that the Flex does has its place in a weekend warrior's garage if they have some older cars with some really beat up paint but too many people are too fast to pick one up unnecessarily. Like you've said, most folks on this forum are pretty much dealing with relatively new paint, not 12 year old, neglected and severely swirled and hazy paint. Thus, there is no need to cut off more clear coat than necessary with a more aggressive machine. I have demonstrated countless times as to what the PC can do with a proper technique. These three pictures are a true testament to the effectiveness of the PC.

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A PC is a very effective polisher when used with a correct technique.
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The Flex has adjustable speeds gentlemen. It does NOT have to be aggressive. There is A LOT more to polishing a car than the buffer that is used. On this forum The Junkman has spent a lot of time educating you guys. I am not here to argue, just help. If you narrow your mind to one way and one way only? It keeps you from being the best you can be. I will stand by my words and say that the flex is a better machine.

And as far as The Junkmans statement. " Never tell a guy to do to his paint what I wouldn't allow him to do to mine." I never told him what to do to his paint. Just that the Flex is better. If he wanted my advice on that I could surely help. I would start by saying "Always start with the least aggressive method" which CAN be achieved with the Flex.

Please remember, I didn't get into a "How To" just my opinion on a Polisher.

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A couple of my details, so people know that I know a little bit about what I speak.
I did use a combo of Rotary and Flex polishing to achieve these results. But I post them just for accreditation. Enjoy the pics.

http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/...ead.php?t=7535

http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/...ead.php?t=9397

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The Flex has adjustable speeds gentlemen. It does NOT have to be aggressive. There is A LOT more to polishing a car than the buffer that is used. On this forum The Junkman has spent a lot of time educating you guys. I am not here to argue, just help. If you narrow your mind to one way and one way only? It keeps you from being the best you can be. I will stand by my words and say that the flex is a better machine.

And as far as The Junkmans statement. " Never tell a guy to do to his paint what I wouldn't allow him to do to mine." I never told him what to do to his paint. Just that the Flex is better. If he wanted my advice on that I could surely help. I would start by saying "Always start with the least aggressive method" which CAN be achieved with the Flex.

Please remember, I didn't get into a "How To" just my opinion on a Polisher.

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First, understand that we are not arguing. We are both expressing our opinions, which to me is just that... a discussion.

I often see the word "better" associated with the Flex when compared to the PC. However, that really depends on the variables concerned with the use of the machine. For example, I think everyone reading this would agree that a fully loaded, 2012 Camaro is a MUCH better car than a stock 1996 Ford Aerostar. However, if you had 5 kids and went camping every other weekend, the Camaro wouldn't be very practical. In that scenario, the Aerostar is the "better" car given the situation.

Comparing that to polishers, the Flex has the capability to correct paint faster. It removes clear coat much faster than the PC. However, it can damage paint if used incorrectly, and with some aggressive compounds or polishes. Enter the PC. You practically have to swing the polisher by the cord at your car to do damage with it, no matter what you use. It will take longer to correct your paint but given the correct technique, you can achieve some outstanding results.

Now enter the novice to machine polishing. He knows nothing about a "technique", doesn't know one polish from another and hasn't been taught anything about what and what not to do with a polisher. Given that scenario, the "better" polisher for him would be the PC, as it is going to be extremely hard for him to damage his paint past a quick fix by an experienced detailer. I would gladly allow him to use that machine and practice on my car. Many folks, including some from this forum have taken me up on that offer and visited me at my garage. I would not be the slightest worried about them doing any damage to my car's paint whatsoever.

That definitely would not be the case with the Flex. Being a more aggressive machine and harder to control, you need to be shown how to use it as a novice. Also, if the damage in your paint is not significant, there is no need to cut more clear off the car than necessary. You stated that your advice would be to start with the least aggressive method. I agree with you 100%. The least aggressive method also includes the polisher you are using and in this case, I think that you would agree that the PC is the lesser of the two.

Since we are dealing with cars that are relatively new for the most part, repairing the paint on them should not require anything super aggressive. Also, given the amount of clear coat on today's cars, you want as much to remain on the car as possible. Thus, I say go at your paint repair slow and steady with a solid technique. A bigger hammer is not always the answer and you can end up causing more work by using one. That's why for a novice to machine polishing, I always recommend the PC.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:49 AM   #31
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yea man thank you. it's funny because I am looking at that right now. there is a used one that looks like it's gunna go for $90 or so in the next hour but let's see if i win the bid. if not, $30 extra isn't too bad
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If you buy a PC along with a kit, you get a much better price on the machine and everything else involved because the kits are priced to move. Throw in my discount code and if you can do the math, you will see that you just got one hell of a deal. I'm surprised that more folks haven't figured this out. Buying stuff here and there causes you to pay more money in the long run, especially when you figure in shipping.
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I have one that was used ONCE...selling it for $100. Also, if you need any Adam's products, I sell them at the same price the Adam's website does...including Daily Specials and any other discounts.
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