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Old 02-02-2012, 09:21 AM   #1
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Add these to your second gear grind







OK Nate (from Tremec) please explain that
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:46 AM   #2
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Exactly what mine is doing except I try not to force it through the grind, I just go to 3rd. Good find!
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:50 AM   #3
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yeah mine isnt as bad as those but mine does it around 4000 rpm and higher.
disappointing.
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:09 AM   #4
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And another... I shift between 2500 and 3000 and it still does it. That sound makes me cringe!
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:23 AM   #5
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yup the old mighty grind. :(
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:04 AM   #6
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http://youtu.be/6HGin3Asbl4

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OK Nate (from Tremec) please explain that
Nate needs to be renamed "Honey Badger".... cause he don't care:


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"And if you own a TR-6060 factory equipped vehicle, you are not our customer"

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If you do hear from Tremec Nate, he'll blame it on the driver. .5% defect rate and he'll bet you $100 on that.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:11 AM   #7
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Nate needs to be renamed "Honey Badger".... cause he don't care:


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"And if you own a TR-6060 factory equipped vehicle, you are not our customer"

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If you do hear from Tremec Nate, he'll blame it on the driver. .5% defect rate and he'll bet you $100 on that.
you got that right!
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:33 AM   #8
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See the thing is this. Tremec is in this business to make money. Let's look at it this way. Let's say I go to good old Wally mart. I buy myself a nice pretty bike. Im out riding around having a good time and all of a sudden the right peddle snaps off. I'm faced with two options, either go to the store buy a new peddle and fix it myself or I take the bike back to Wally mart and get a new one. Most of us will take it back. I have my new bike and once again the right peddle snaps off again. As I'm walking (pissed at this point) back to Wally mart i notice snapped peddles scattered on the street. This is were the bike company makes money. For every one bike that is returned for a faulty peddle Wally mart has to buy a new one, and is stuck either with a bunch of broken bikes or sells them refurbished at a discount by buying the peddle that only that bike company makes. Either way the bike company (tremec) gets paid for every hunk of junk that goes out their door. So for some tremec lacky to post on a forum that we are not their customers is completely right...but we are the end users and we're the ones having to do all the leg work to get our cars fixed. I'm getting off my soap box now.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:56 PM   #10
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The cause of the problem: the stock clutch master cylinder simply doesn't flow enough fluid to push the clutch slave cylinder far enough to fully disengage the clutch. This produces extreme heat inside the bellhousing, boiling the fluid inside the hydraulic system (thus introducing air) and causing a faded (or totally dead) clutch pedal. Other side effects include difficulty shifting at high RPMs, difficulty engaging 1st and Reverse while stopped, shortened clutch life and shortened transmission life. We've been seeing this exact issue for years in many applications.via joey at tick performance..search the forum and give feedback.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:03 PM   #11
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See the thing is this. Tremec is in this business to make money. Let's look at it this way. Let's say I go to good old Wally mart. I buy myself a nice pretty bike. Im out riding around having a good time and all of a sudden the right peddle snaps off. I'm faced with two options, either go to the store buy a new peddle and fix it myself or I take the bike back to Wally mart and get a new one. Most of us will take it back. I have my new bike and once again the right peddle snaps off again. As I'm walking (pissed at this point) back to Wally mart i notice snapped peddles scattered on the street. This is were the bike company makes money. For every one bike that is returned for a faulty peddle Wally mart has to buy a new one, and is stuck either with a bunch of broken bikes or sells them refurbished at a discount by buying the peddle that only that bike company makes. Either way the bike company (tremec) gets paid for every hunk of junk that goes out their door. So for some tremec lacky to post on a forum that we are not their customers is completely right...but we are the end users and we're the ones having to do all the leg work to get our cars fixed. I'm getting off my soap box now.


Except that Walmart has an agreement with their suppliers to get back 100% of any returns.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:15 AM   #13
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Except that Walmart has an agreement with their suppliers to get back 100% of any returns.
Tremec will loose too much money if they adopted that type of agreement.
Not to mention that tremec will rather blame every one else instead of helping root the cause of the failures. What bugs me is if the transmission isn't the problem, then why is it that the problem spans other makes of cars? I have an M6 and I'm one of lucky ones that doesn't have a problem(shifts at any temp and any RPM). So why am I the lucky one? What makes my car so different from the other cars that have problems?

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Old 02-03-2012, 11:26 AM   #14
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The cause of the problem: the stock clutch master cylinder simply doesn't flow enough fluid to push the clutch slave cylinder far enough to fully disengage the clutch. This produces extreme heat inside the bellhousing, boiling the fluid inside the hydraulic system (thus introducing air) and causing a faded (or totally dead) clutch pedal. Other side effects include difficulty shifting at high RPMs, difficulty engaging 1st and Reverse while stopped, shortened clutch life and shortened transmission life. We've been seeing this exact issue for years in many applications.via joey at tick performance..search the forum and give feedback.
This may very well be true but many of us have not experienced grinding with the Tremec 6spd in the SS cars. Is it possible there are some "weak" stock clutch master cylinders AND real 2nd gear syncro issues ??? In my own case I never had a problem either all stock OR since installing a remote clutch reservoir, installing a quality DOT4 fluid in the brakes and clutch system, properly bleeding the clutch hydraulic system and swapping the trans fluid to Mobil 1 synthetic ATF.

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Old 02-03-2012, 11:52 AM   #15
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This may very well be true but many of us have not experienced grinding with the Tremec 6spd in the SS cars. Is it possible there are some "weak" stock clutch master cylinders AND real 2nd gear syncro issues ??? In my own case I never had a problem either all stock OR since installing a remote clutch reservoir, installing a quality DOT4 fluid in the brakes and clutch system, properly bleeding the clutch hydraulic system and swapping the trans fluid to Mobil 1 synthetic ATF.

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Glad to hear your not having any trouble, wish i could say the same.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:48 AM   #16
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The cause of the problem: the stock clutch master cylinder simply doesn't flow enough fluid to push the clutch slave cylinder far enough to fully disengage the clutch. This produces extreme heat inside the bellhousing, boiling the fluid inside the hydraulic system (thus introducing air) and causing a faded (or totally dead) clutch pedal. Other side effects include difficulty shifting at high RPMs, difficulty engaging 1st and Reverse w stopped, shortened clutch life and shortened transmission life. We've been seeing this exact issue for years in many applications.via joey at tick performance..search the forum and give feedback.
Thank you, Kaylew. I'm not a message board guru or mechanic...... this is exactly the type of info that i was looking for when i came online.

Ordered a 12 camaro. Less than 1500 miles. At the dealership at 1000 with the clutch grinding into 2nd - if it goes there. and i don't force it, but it always feels like its gonna go until the grind, as though i don't have the clutch engaged.

Where does your diagnostic come from (do you have a source, or simply experience)?

Thanks again, sir!
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:01 AM   #17
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In all of the videos posted I noticed all the engines were cold (oil temp not over 150 degrees) and the trans temps were also cold. I'm not excusing the bad 2nd gear synchros, but warming up first might reduce the grinding. The third video was grinding even at low RPM's, so I bet even fully warmed it would still grind.

On the positive side, these are the first videos I've seen of the 2nd gear grind, and I can happily say my M6 does not grind like this. My shifter just feels notchy, but doesn't make a noise even close to these, and actually shift better at high RPM.

But I still see a rebuilt TR6060 down the road...
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:19 PM   #18
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Well i had my trans replaced by the dealer i ground second once since it was replaced. so i decided to make my own cat back exhaust which is the $410 cat back exahust in the performance mods section anyway before doing that i took the trans back out and put my katech twin disc clutch kit back in and new white shift knob and also replaced the trans fluid with royal purple syncromax. then i made my exhaust system and took it out for a blast only letting the car run for about 5 minutes before going for a quick cruise and i wound out first gear and shifted into second with no issues at all. i did it several times and im pleased to say this thing shifts fine now. i love it. so did the royal purple help ? who knows but thats the only thing thats different then the last two trannys i had .
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Is this 2nd gear grind only in the SS/Tremec manual trans?
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Except that Walmart has an agreement with their suppliers to get back 100% of any returns.
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