Huge offshore oil discovery

[LSxcellent]

This is now the second or third discovery of a LOT of oil in Ultra-Deep water... look it up. There are a dozen or more rigs in the Gulf of Mexico alone that are drilling over 20,000 feet below the surface of the water.

From what I read (in Popular Mechanics I think) is that below 40,000 ft the temperatures are too high to support oil (it just breaks down completely) so this is the area of last resort... once these reserves are gone (which WILL take a while) we are all done with oil.

I don't think oil prices are going to come down much though, all these new sources of oil will only really meet the increasing demand from other parts of the world. Once China and India come online, we are going to be screwed anyway...

It's amazing technology though!

~LSx

[Mr. Wyndham]

oh, I wish this administration would get aout of office already. Then SOMEBODY, I don't care who, can push for alternative fuel sources.

GM alone with the Volt and E85 isn't gonna be enough. it's a great start, but they need money, and funds, and government sponsorship/marketing, so the public can realize this is the real deal.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

oh, I wish this administration would get aout of office already. Then SOMEBODY, I don't care who, can push for alternative fuel sources.

GM alone with the Volt and E85 isn't gonna be enough. it's a great start, but they need money, and funds, and government sponsorship/marketing, so the public can realize this is the real deal.

Problem is, the bulk of the energy for the united states is in fossil fuels. Ethanol currently takes more energy to make than it gives. Same with hydrogen. So you need to find sources of energy because the current fuels are little more than the chemical equivelent of batteries.

Half of your electicity comes from coal. And while electic seems better when looking purely at emissions, over 20% electicity generated is wasted in transmission from the plant to the city. Electic cars powered by coal power plants will reduce dependance on foriegn oil, but it won't do much to reduce total emissions.

so for actual energy sources that can create electricity then be converted to other forms lets see:
solar energy just isn't efficient enough. Wind has some promise but massive wind farms are noisy, ugly, and unreliable. Hydro-electric has been nearly tapped out in the developed world. However there is development being done by placing turbines in rivers, like a cross between wind and hydro-electric damms. Coal, fuel oil, and natural gas all pollute. It should be noted that these sources can be used directly or be coverted to burn in an internal combustion engine. People fear nuclear fission. Nuclear fusion has tremendous potential but is 20 years away, and it has been that way for the last 30 years.

This isn't a question about getting someone who will put forth the effort to make a new technology availible. Its about people making a choice, what is the lesser of all the evils? Buying expensive oil? Using coal? Building dozens or hundreds of nuclear power plants? covering the lanscape with wind mills? Of course the answer is to use a mix of all the above to minimize all the negative effects. But it won't solve the problems, just cause new ones to be solved later.

Wow. I guess I kinda kept on going there . . . I do that when I get technical. I had one half as long but it was political, I avoid politics on this forum. I have another one that I go to for that stuff

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Half of your electicity comes from coal. And while electic seems better when looking purely at emissions, over 20% electicity generated is wasted in transmission from the plant to the city. Electic cars powered by coal power plants will reduce dependance on foriegn oil, but it won't do much to reduce total emissions.

I hear ya, really. I guess I'm just not as worried about emissions as much as others. I never 100% bought into the Global Warming doomsday thing. yeah, I think it's happening, but no, I don't think it's half as bad as it's being reported.
And please understand, I'm NOT trying to pick a fight with this next statement...I just always ask it when the whole electricity emissions thing comes up: Isn't is loads better, though, to continue polluting from the just plants but not in the cars, as opposed to continuing to pollute from both the plants AND the cars? Cause gasoline production requires burning, and all that other good stuff, too.

Personally, I think Wind farms are rather beautiful really...We've got 7 tubines on the lake right now, in Buffalo. Sure, that's hardly a farm. But I find them rather majestic looking. Of course, I can see the noise issue as well. BUT: foriegn oil v. a little noise?

I am not disillusioned into thinking that E85 is the best thing since sliced bread. It's not a permanent solution, but it IS a step in the right direction, 85% NOT foriegn oil? I'd say that's good.

And I would fear fission, too. Talk about the big-bang theory, (shudder). Of course, develop it right, and we're talking some massive amounts of energy.

Any way you look at it, elecric cars, ARE the future of transportation...I just wish it'd get here sooner-which was the point of my previous post. People, do indeed fear what they don't know. But put it in a commercial, and they all of a sudden are experts on it!!

Again, the sooner the better. $4 a gallon lows are not far off...

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I hear ya, really. I guess I'm just not as worried about emissions as much as others. I never 100% bought into the Global Warming doomsday thing. yeah, I think it's happening, but no, I don't think it's half as bad as it's being reported.
And please understand, I'm NOT trying to pick a fight with this next statement...I just always ask it when the whole electricity emissions thing comes up: Isn't is loads better, though, to continue polluting from the just plants but not in the cars, as opposed to continuing to pollute from both the plants AND the cars? Cause gasoline production requires burning, and all that other good stuff, too.
Yes it is better, its easier to clean and reduces polution in cities so long as the wind doesn't change. And there is the possibility that the CO2 and other emissions can be 'bottled' at the power plants for use/disposal elsewhere
Personally, I think Wind farms are rather beautiful really...We've got 7 tubines on the lake right now, in Buffalo. Sure, that's hardly a farm. But I find them rather majestic looking. Of course, I can see the noise issue as well. BUT: foriegn oil v. a little noise?
We have some on our side of lake Erie, and a couple on lake Ontario too. I don't think they are being used though, not sure exactly why.

I am not disillusioned into thinking that E85 is the best thing since sliced bread. It's not a permanent solution, but it IS a step in the right direction, 85% NOT foriegn oil? I'd say that's good.
But the problem is, where did the petroleum come from to make the fertilizers and pesticides? to fuel the tractors and trucks? Some go to bio sources for those (yes organic fertilizer is all natural, it comes from livestock). But that can't meet the demand.

And I would fear fission, too. Talk about the big-bang theory, (shudder). Of course, develop it right, and we're talking some massive amounts of energy.
I am situated between two nuclear power plants, each with two sets of four reactors. They less than 20 miles away from me. The plant where the Camaro will be built is about 10 miles away. But nuclear is very safe and reliable, but bad publicity hurts it much like has been done to hydrogen

Any way you look at it, elecric cars, ARE the future of transportation...I just wish it'd get here sooner-which was the point of my previous post. People, do indeed fear what they don't know. But put it in a commercial, and they all of a sudden are experts on it!!
Agreed

Again, the sooner the better. $4 a gallon lows are not far off...
But when it reaches $5 you will be wishing for these days.

That was just easier than writing another mega post

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

And I would fear fission, too. Talk about the big-bang theory, (shudder). Of course, develop it right, and we're talking some massive amounts of energy.
I am situated between two nuclear power plants, each with two sets of four reactors. They less than 20 miles away from me. The plant where the Camaro will be built is about 10 miles away. But nuclear is very safe and reliable, but bad publicity hurts it much like has been done to hydrogen

question:

I think I'm confused...is fission what is currently being used in Nuclear power plants? or is it the MASSIVELY powerful theory/style of Nuclear power?

[DGthe3]

Fission is what is currently used. It is the process by which larger atoms such as Uranium or Plutonium are split by neutrons into smaller elements. This releases a great deal of heat plus some neutrons which then continue the process. Left unchecked this will result in a atomic explosion like in the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Nuclear fusion is when light elements like hydrogen are fused together releasing unimaginable amounts of energy. This is what fuels thermonuclear weapons and stars. They have built test reactors but nobody has got more energy out of them than has been put in. And they have a hard time keeping them from melting, no material can withstand the temperatures so they need to magnetically levitate the plasma inside a chamber so that . . . I'm going to far in this. Yes this is the massively powerful one

[Mr. Wyndham]

magnetically...Wha-!?! geez, spiderman 2 all over again, huh?

You've peaked my intrest...I'm gonna go Google surfing for about a day.

[swazworth]

here is an article i found on the Brazil oil find
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=58682

the guy who wrote it is a strong believer in the abiotic oil theory.

[$¢'s 5th Gen]

Originally Posted by swazworth

like this

this link tells about the car http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSn2igZtuPA

this one you can see it go http://youtube.com/watch?v=m90BhJXZAXc
might be fun to try

No. Like this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PwQkl8E-oN8

[DGthe3]

The abiotic theory is interesting. From what I've heard one of the men responsible for this theory has had several unconventional ideas but most of them have been proven right. However, it should be noted that some of the greatest minds in science have been completely wrong about some things. I do believe that there may be some oil produced deep within the earth but I don't think that process is signifacantly faster than the conventional methods. So either way, we are burning oil faster than it can be produced.

[swazworth]

No. Like this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PwQkl8E-oN8

ok, ok, you got me-> that was sick, but i can say that the bug probably (@ (i think)15 gallons a mile) getts better mpg.