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Old 02-05-2012, 12:50 AM   #1
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factory gm shifter to factory hurst question

Ok so here is my question i have a ss with the stock gm 6 speed shifter. I bought the hurst factory shifter from a member on here but he only included the shifter part not the bracket. Can i use the bracket from the stock gm and it work the same? Anybody know?? any input would help! Thanks
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:52 PM   #2
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not sure which bracket you are talking about...?
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:53 PM   #3
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Hurst only comes with the shifter, not the linkage.

Some pics of what you have would help
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:38 PM   #4
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ok ill show you a pic of what i got and what i thought i was getting. [IMG][/IMG]this is what i actually got and the stuff to install it and the knob but i thought i was getting this bracket as well. [IMG][/IMG]
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:41 PM   #5
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my question is since mine didn't comewith a factory hurst will the gm bracket that comes with there shifters work? and will it work the same?
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Yes, you don't replace the bracket with the hurst. MGW does. You're fine.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:51 PM   #7
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your mgw didn't replace the bracket?
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and this isn't an aftermarket hurst its the stock hurst from gm. I was told before that the bracket was needed
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:54 PM   #9
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Oh...

I have the aftermarket hurst and didn't replace the bracket. Just the "shaft" in the first pic.

I have installed a MGW on a friends car, and it does replace the bracket in the second pic.

I have no experience with the factory hurst.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:31 PM   #10
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and this isn't an aftermarket hurst its the stock hurst from gm. I was told before that the bracket was needed
...I think you're making much more to it than what there is...just take out your stock shifter...and put in the factory hurst...
Whether its stock, factory hurst, or after-market hurst, they all go in the same way and use that same "bracket" you have pictured. Hopefully you haven't taken your "bracket" out yet...its not necessary.

It might help you to go to the Hurst web-site or find it here on the forums, there is an installation video by hurst for the after market shifter.
Just pretend your factory hurst is the one in the video, and you will be fine.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:39 PM   #11
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...I think you're making much more to it than what there is...just take out your stock shifter...and put in the factory hurst...
Whether its stock, factory hurst, or after-market hurst, they all go in the same way and use that same "bracket" you have pictured. Hopefully you haven't taken your "bracket" out yet...its not necessary.

It might help you to go to the Hurst web-site or find it here on the forums, there is an installation video by hurst for the after market shifter.
Just pretend your factory hurst is the one in the video, and you will be fine.
I tend to agree here.
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:05 PM   #12
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...I think you're making much more to it than what there is...just take out your stock shifter...and put in the factory hurst...
Whether its stock, factory hurst, or after-market hurst, they all go in the same way and use that same "bracket" you have pictured. Hopefully you haven't taken your "bracket" out yet...its not necessary.

It might help you to go to the Hurst web-site or find it here on the forums, there is an installation video by hurst for the after market shifter.
Just pretend your factory hurst is the one in the video, and you will be fine.
This is incorrect information. The factory Hurst shifter INCLUDES the bracket. In the above photos notice the top plate on the bracket. This is used to reposition the pivot point in the modified bracket and align the change rod. The factory GM/Hurst lever may physically fit into a stock housing but there are several problems that may be encountered. These include a misaligned change rod which will require more shift effort to shift and a much more "notchy" feel. Also the lower rubber dust boot and bottom the the shifter may start to interfere with the drive shaft in certain situations.

I would suggest getting the bracket as it is an integral part of the shifter.
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:21 PM   #13
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This is incorrect information. The factory Hurst shifter INCLUDES the bracket. In the above photos notice the top plate on the bracket. This is used to reposition the pivot point in the modified bracket and align the change rod. The factory GM/Hurst lever may physically fit into a stock housing but there are several problems that may be encountered. These include a misaligned change rod which will require more shift effort to shift and a much more "notchy" feel. Also the lower rubber dust boot and bottom the the shifter may start to interfere with the drive shaft in certain situations.

I would suggest getting the bracket as it is an integral part of the shifter.
If you are correct, then I was mistaken...perhaps you can tell me this:

I replaced my "factory-hurst" with the after-market hurst...seemed to go ok and shift ok...what about brackets, etc. with that combo?

Also I have taken out a stock shifter and it appeared identical in over-all dimenstions to the "factory hurst"...and "bracket" appeared identical.

perhaps I was confused by the photos or whatever...or missed something along the way...your knowledge and assistance would be appreciated. Thanks
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Steve. this is the thread I had in mind.
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Steve. this is the thread I had in mind.
Got it. Yours didn't have that top plate did it? I emailed someone that will know.
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:23 AM   #16
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If you are correct, then I was mistaken...perhaps you can tell me this:

I replaced my "factory-hurst" with the after-market hurst...seemed to go ok and shift ok...what about brackets, etc. with that combo?

Also I have taken out a stock shifter and it appeared identical in over-all dimenstions to the "factory hurst"...and "bracket" appeared identical.

perhaps I was confused by the photos or whatever...or missed something along the way...your knowledge and assistance would be appreciated. Thanks
Yes- the factory GM/Hurst shifter can be replace with the aftermarket Hurst without changing the bracket. This is due to the way the main pivot bearing is housed/retained in the aftermarket shifter. The aftermarket Hurst shifter was specifically designed for this possibility. This is why you didn't have a problem.

The factory GM/Hurst lever and bracket are different than the stock shifter. The geometry is different as well as some of the material and construction methods used to make them. The differences may appear subtle (most people won't notice them just eye-balling the parts) but they are different.
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:15 AM   #17
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Yes- the factory GM/Hurst shifter can be replace with the aftermarket Hurst without changing the bracket. This is due to the way the main pivot bearing is housed/retained in the aftermarket shifter. The aftermarket Hurst shifter was specifically designed for this possibility. This is why you didn't have a problem.

The factory GM/Hurst lever and bracket are different than the stock shifter. The geometry is different as well as some of the material and construction methods used to make them. The differences may appear subtle (most people won't notice them just eye-balling the parts) but they are different.
Thanks for the info. However, I was surprised that when I looked into the aftermarket shifter, I never heard mention that the only true correct installation would be from factory hurst to billet plus. Meaning if you were to install billet plus to replace factory stock, the "bracket" would need to be changed to get the correct pivot point, etc.

My concern is for those who may have gone from stock shifter to billet plus and not been aware of this. Perhaps this is where the majority of vibration/noise issues are coming from?

Thanks again.
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Every Factory Hurst I see for sale includes that bracket, thats why its a $500+ piece. The aftermarket Hurst fits the stock bracket, thats why its a $169 item.
The guy that sold you yours probably still has your bracket in his car.
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Every Factory Hurst I see for sale includes that bracket, thats why its a $500+ piece. The aftermarket Hurst fits the stock bracket, thats why its a $169 item.
The guy that sold you yours probably still has your bracket in his car.
I think you mean the after market hurst fits the stock bracket that was for the factory hurst...the aftermarket hurst should not "fit" the stock bracket for the stock shifter(non factory hurst bracket) correct? Thanks
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I think you mean the after market hurst fits the stock bracket that was for the factory hurst...the aftermarket hurst should not "fit" the stock bracket for the stock shifter(non factory hurst bracket) correct? Thanks
No, I think I mean the aftermarket fits the stock. Thats why they make them, to fit those that didnt come with the Factory Hurst.
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Thanks for the info. However, I was surprised that when I looked into the aftermarket shifter, I never heard mention that the only true correct installation would be from factory hurst to billet plus. Meaning if you were to install billet plus to replace factory stock, the "bracket" would need to be changed to get the correct pivot point, etc.

My concern is for those who may have gone from stock shifter to billet plus and not been aware of this. Perhaps this is where the majority of vibration/noise issues are coming from?

Thanks again.
This is also incorrect. The aftermarket Hurst shifter (Billet/Plus) fits in exactly the same way for the factory stock AND the factory Hurst brackets... connecting directly from the bottom. Thus the shifter geometry for the Hurst shifter (Billet/Plus) is exactly the same in both brackets.

Vibration and noise come from the engine and transmission. Some Camaros have much more NVH coming from the engine and transmission than other Camaros (mine happens to be one of them). The stock shifter was designed to specifically try to hide this... but in doings so, they had to make it soft and spongy. The aftermarket Hurst shifter is a solid design and thus will feel much more directly connected to the transmission but will also transmit more NVH. It has been designed to connect the driver directly to the transmission and engine without hiding anything.
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When I bought my GM Hurst Synergy series shifter(red stitching on the shifter and boot) it replaces the entire shifter, bracket and all. It may or may not work without doing it, but you may have alignment issues.

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This is also incorrect. The aftermarket Hurst shifter (Billet/Plus) fits in exactly the same way for the factory stock AND the factory Hurst brackets... connecting directly from the bottom. Thus the shifter geometry for the Hurst shifter (Billet/Plus) is exactly the same in both brackets.

Vibration and noise come from the engine and transmission. Some Camaros have much more NVH coming from the engine and transmission than other Camaros (mine happens to be one of them). The stock shifter was designed to specifically try to hide this... but in doings so, they had to make it soft and spongy. The aftermarket Hurst shifter is a solid design and thus will feel much more directly connected to the transmission but will also transmit more NVH. It has been designed to connect the driver directly to the transmission and engine without hiding anything.

Thanks for clearing that up for me...I love the Hurst billet...I get a little noise in mine when on it hard in second and sometimes third...no noise at all if I keep my hand on the shifter...and I did not put in the noise reduction kit!!..It's just fine for me. thanks again.
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90503, have you tried to put the factory knob back on? I noticed that all the rattling went away when I used the factory knob instead of the Hurst knob. The hurst knob rattled like crazy and I could hear some kind of swooshing sound like air passing through or something. I checked everything and it's fine. It all went away after I used the factory knob.
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90503, have you tried to put the factory knob back on? I noticed that all the rattling went away when I used the factory knob instead of the Hurst knob. The hurst knob rattled like crazy and I could hear some kind of swooshing sound like air passing through or something. I checked everything and it's fine. It all went away after I used the factory knob.
I might try that one of these days...I just like the old school Hurst look...

I still have the noise reduction kit...might put the pads on the stick/spline part on top and see what happens...

Congrats on finding the clip!! lol
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