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Old 04-26-2009, 01:24 PM   #1
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I am going to get the GMPP intake some time soon for my Camaro, and was wondering if it is best to install it before or after breaking the car in?
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I am going to get the GMPP intake some time soon for my Camaro, and was wondering if it is best to install it before or after breaking the car in?
Interesting question. And I also wonder where the line is for voiding the warranty with mods. I doubt the intake would void it, but still. gotta be careful.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:30 PM   #3
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Interesting question. And I also wonder where the line is for voiding the warranty with mods. I doubt the intake would void it, but still. gotta be careful.
Yeah thanks for the warranty warning. I asked about this a while ago and said it wouldn't since it is a GM product and pretty minor but it would be good to double check.
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Yeah thanks for the warranty warning. I asked about this a while ago and said it wouldn't since it is a GM product and pretty minor but it would be good to double check.
I just read in another thread that it would clearly void the warranty for the original intake, and if any damage to the engine occurs from the aftermarket intake, it will not be covered. Which you have to be careful about, because I am sure they would be eager to bullshit you and tell you that the intake was the problem.

Anyway, i wish somebody that knows would answer this already.
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Old 04-26-2009, 05:25 PM   #5
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I just read in another thread that it would clearly void the warranty for the original intake, and if any damage to the engine occurs from the aftermarket intake, it will not be covered. Which you have to be careful about, because I am sure they would be eager to bullshit you and tell you that the intake was the problem.

Anyway, i wish somebody that knows would answer this already.
thing is, nobody knows because every dealership is different in how they handle these situations.
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thing is, nobody knows because every dealership is different in how they handle these situations.
talkin about the original question. not the warranty issue, which was just a side concern of mine.
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Well, if you add an intake, and removed the MAF screen, you could have a bigger engine damage potential... Don't do stupid things to void your warranty!
MAF screen? English translation.... ?
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MAF screen? English translation.... ?
MAF = Mass Air Flow sensor. It's one of several sensors used by the ECU to determine the mass of air entering the engine. If the mass of air is known, the engine can determine the proper amount of fuel required to produce a "perfect" combustion, at a ratio of 14.7:1. That means (basically) for one gram of fuel (or one unit of mass), 14.7 grams (or 14.7 times as much air mass) is required for a "perfect" combustion. This is called the stoichiometric ratio.

However, if I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be), I think the LS engine series uses a cold wire MAF sensor. These are different from the old hot wire sensors. The hot wire sensors used a screen, which restricted airflow. The newer cold wire sensors use 3 wires, one of which only goes half way across, which tend to flow better than the old screen styles. So I don't think there's a screen to remove on the LS3/L99. However if I"m wrong, someone PLEASE correct me. I did a quick search for a pic, but couldn't find one. If you look at the aftermarket sensors, you'll notice they all use the coldwire style, because they flow better. GM realized this and I THINK uses this style on all their engines now. Anyone know for sure? Spike, this seems like the kind of question you're good for answering.
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MAF = Mass Air Flow sensor. It's one of several sensors used by the ECU to determine the mass of air entering the engine. If the mass of air is known, the engine can determine the proper amount of fuel required to produce a "perfect" combustion, at a ratio of 14.7:1. That means (basically) for one gram of fuel (or one unit of mass), 14.7 grams (or 14.7 times as much air mass) is required for a "perfect" combustion. This is called the stoichiometric ratio.

However, if I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be), I think the LS engine series uses a cold wire MAF sensor. These are different from the old hot wire sensors. The hot wire sensors used a screen, which restricted airflow. The newer cold wire sensors use 3 wires, one of which only goes half way across, which tend to flow better than the old screen styles. So I don't think there's a screen to remove on the LS3/L99. However if I"m wrong, someone PLEASE correct me. I did a quick search for a pic, but couldn't find one. If you look at the aftermarket sensors, you'll notice they all use the coldwire style, because they flow better. GM realized this and I THINK uses this style on all their engines now. Anyone know for sure? Spike, this seems like the kind of question you're good for answering.
The factory chokes them down to make emissions and MPG standards..and oh yeah warranty time frames
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As long as you do not go internal on the engine, 50 state street legal parts should not void your warranty, unless the dealership are dicks about the repair in question.
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I am going to get the GMPP intake some time soon for my Camaro, and was wondering if it is best to install it before or after breaking the car in?
You don't have to wait for break in. I'm doing this mod as well. Gotta get that ugly intake off this beautiful car. Yes, I am mainly doing it for cosmetic purposes. You won't notice any difference in power at all.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:31 AM   #12
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Its just a cold are intake and wont make much difference. Plus it just bolts on, so its not like you cant put the stock intake back on if something happens and the dealer is a prick.
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Good info! thanks for the english ^^. And wont make much difference = 5hp?
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Interesting question. And I also wonder where the line is for voiding the warranty with mods. I doubt the intake would void it, but still. gotta be careful.
If you are going with the GMPP intake and have it installed before you take delivery of the car then it will be covered under your warranty. If you do it later then it will not. Be very wary when using 3rd party mods right away. I would check with your dealer first. Legally you should be able to do them and it would just void the warranty on the part you are replacing. The dealership should have to prove without any doubt that any damage was a result of the 3rd part part if they are going to not cover it.GMPP are way overpriced right now. I hope they will come down soon.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:45 PM   #15
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GMPP are way overpriced right now. I hope they will come down soon.
I know power gains will be pretty much none but I think think it looks good and maybe sounds a little better.
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Old 04-28-2009, 05:37 PM   #16
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to answer the original question, I personally would wait until the car is broken in before I install it. Though I know a friend of mine got his challenger installed with the mopar intake before he took delivery and nothing went wrong.
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:50 PM   #17
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I work for a performance shop. We have delt with many of these issues on many occasions with customers as well as personal. In most cases a Air Intake will not void the warrenty(some intakes also come with brackets for MAF). Most companies will tell you whether or not their intake is warrenty friendly. Not to mention some people also have taken it off to go back to dealer if it is not. And in the challengers case. If he used the mopar intake...it WILL NOT void warrenty and will be compleltly safe to add at 1 mile, as will adding a intake on the camaro. The motor(or ECU) should be able to correct the AF ratio when adding an intake at any milage. So I would'nt worry.
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