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Old 02-10-2012, 12:25 PM   #51
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so this would be basically a Boss 302 competitor? If so, then heck yes!!! build it!!
Im not sure the 1LE in this configuration would be competitive with the Boss.

Just for reference the a 2011 Boss turned a 1:40.71 at Laguna Seca while a 2010 SS turned a 1:45.70. The 1LE will not have much more power than a SS so will the rest of the goodies close a 5 second gap? I don't think so. JMHO
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:36 PM   #52
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I want to see original parts made for the car. Different bumper, hood, diffuser, and a low wing spoiler. I guess more racy looking like the Boss Mustang.
I'm for that as well.

I vote for the look of the Hot Wheels car! I love that hood!!!
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:38 PM   #53
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Im not sure the 1LE in this configuration would be competitive with the Boss.

Just for reference the a 2011 Boss turned a 1:40.71 at Laguna Seca while a 2010 SS turned a 1:45.70. The 1LE will not have much more power than a SS so will the rest of the goodies close a 5 second gap? I don't think so. JMHO

Yes that's my concern as well. We don't need to blow the Boss away (the sum (stats) of its parts are incredible), but we must be competitive.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:41 PM   #54
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Yes that's my concern as well. We don't need to blow the Boss away (the sum (stats) of its parts are incredible), but we must be competitive.
Especially if it's around the same price point.
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I want to see original parts made for the car. Different bumper, hood, diffuser, and a low wing spoiler. I guess more racy looking like the Boss Mustang.
The "problem" with the BOSS is there are TWO of them, essentially. What you're describing, for a Camaro would be a closer competitor in content and capabilities to the BOSS LS, priced @ $48,000...which is where a 1LE + LS7 might reside.

The 1LE, executed as described above, would be a more worthy direct competitor to the "Base" BOSS...priced @ low $40s...Ford's VOLUME BOSS.

Once there's a 1LE Package in place, earning its way in the world, it is a MUCH shorter step to create a Z/28-type version, placed between the 1LE and ZL1...just as the BOSS LS is between the BOSS and GT 500.

If there wasn't a BOSS (for volume) there would NOT be a BOSS LS...

If there isn't a 1LE, there may NOT be a Z/28, regardless. I can see the 1LE as a "stepping stone" for the volumes GM requires to potentially build from...
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:17 PM   #56
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Im not sure the 1LE in this configuration would be competitive with the Boss.

Just for reference the a 2011 Boss turned a 1:40.71 at Laguna Seca while a 2010 SS turned a 1:45.70. The 1LE will not have much more power than a SS so will the rest of the goodies close a 5 second gap? I don't think so. JMHO
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Yes that's my concern as well. We don't need to blow the Boss away (the sum (stats) of its parts are incredible), but we must be competitive.
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The "problem" with the BOSS is there are TWO of them, essentially. What you're describing, for a Camaro would be a closer competitor in content and capabilities to the BOSS LS, priced @ $48,000...which is where a 1LE + LS7 might reside.

The 1LE, executed as described above, would be a more worthy direct competitor to the "Base" BOSS...priced @ low $40s...Ford's VOLUME BOSS.

Once there's a 1LE Package in place, earning its way in the world, it is a MUCH shorter step to create a Z/28-type version, placed between the 1LE and ZL1...just as the BOSS LS is between the BOSS and GT 500.

If there wasn't a BOSS (for volume) there would NOT be a BOSS LS...

If there isn't a 1LE, there may NOT be a Z/28, regardless. I can see the 1LE as a "stepping stone" for the volumes GM requires to potentially build from...
#1 Lap comparisons are not what they seem to be. For a lap comparison to be accurate they must me run on the same day, by the same driver. Even that comparison is flawed if we ran one car mid morning at 65 degrees and the other at 4 in the afternoon at 80 degrees.

#2 There are two versions of the BOSS. The LS runs on R compound tires.

#3 There are three versions of Camaro suspension for this discussion. FE3, FE4 and FE5.

#4 There are two versions of brakes for this discussion 4 pot Brembos all round and 6 pot front 4 pot rear.

Unless the SS lap time was run with a FE5 suspension and 6 pot Brembos we are talking about very different Camaros. Hell an FE4 SS would be faster than a FE3 Camaro on track. I think the 1LE vs the BOSS is a driver's race. The Same is true for a 1LE vs the BOSS LS as long as we fit R compound tires to the 1LE.
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like i said on the other thread, if i haven't upgraded to a 1 or 2SS then hell yeah! 1LE should be real nice and it's a ride for me
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#1 Lap comparisons are not what they seem to be. For a lap comparison to be accurate they must me run on the same day, by the same driver. Even that comparison is flawed if we ran one car mid morning at 65 degrees and the other at 4 in the afternoon at 80 degrees.

#2 There are two versions of the BOSS. The LS runs on R compound tires.

#3 There are three versions of Camaro suspension for this discussion. FE3, FE4 and FE5.

#4 There are two versions of brakes for this discussion 4 pot Brembos all round and 6 pot front 4 pot rear.

Unless the SS lap time was run with a FE5 suspension and 6 pot Brembos we are talking about very different Camaros. Hell an FE4 SS would be faster than a FE3 Camaro on track. I think the 1LE vs the BOSS is a driver's race. The Same is true for a 1LE vs the BOSS LS as long as we fit R compound tires to the 1LE.
Thank you for the insight JP!
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I don't think so. I'd rather see a Z28 first. (wish that had come before the ZL1 actually )
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I wasn't to sure about the hash marks at first but they are starting to grow on me!

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I wasn't to sure about the hash marks at first but they are starting to grow on me!

Decals, ShnOman..."now you see 'em...now you DON'T..."

A little "rattle can" on the hood..."good to GO!"
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Decals, ShnOman..."now you see 'em...now you DON'T..."

A little "rattle can" on the hood..."good to GO!"
Oh yeah it's a easy fix...

I am just surprised that I am starting to like them!
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Oh yeah it's a easy fix...

I am just surprised that I am starting to like them!
The hash marks and flat black hood is cool. But give me the HW hood on a 1LE with R tires and I'm there.
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Especially if it's around the same price point.
I'm with ya' $40K.
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I've heard that somewhere before...hmmm.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:55 PM   #69
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Would it weigh 4200 plus pounds?
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No...'bout 3,900 with HD driveline/brakes/ZL1 wheels-tires and careful content...
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I think the car looks pretty darn good to start with. I like the ZL1 style touches but the key will be price!
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Figure on low-mid $40s, depending on final content and/or options. It will bridge the pricing gap, and performance gap, between SSs and the ZL1.
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No...'bout 3,900 with HD driveline/brakes/ZL1 wheels-tires and careful content...
You think that light? How much does a no option 1SS LS3 weigh? 3,800?

I was guessing around 4,000. MR, bigger brakes, trans, and rear.

I like your number though.
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...brakes are two-piece rotors...forged 20s and HP rubber saves some as well. Figure about 150-200 less than ZL1, depending on final content. Non-heated cloth would save some etc.
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So are ya' gonna' build it GM?
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