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Old 11-13-2007, 01:51 AM   #1
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Independent Rear Suspension?

The 2009 Camaro is probably going to have the Zeta Platform, which has all independent suspension. SO, is this platform going to be able to get all that 400 horsepower down to the weels. Wouldn't it be more cost effective and stable for the Camaro to have a rear axle? Shouldn't MUSCLE CARS have rear axle suspension. I know very little about the Zeta Platform and it kind of has me worried so please enlighten me! It is speculated that that the front tires will be 275 in the front and 305 at the rear. Is that even Realistic?
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305 is about 12 inches in the rear. 1920/21 x 12" is some serious tread. I'd say it's very possible. The vipers run 335s and they have 13" wide wheels (last time I checked).

I don't know much about Zeta platform, but I would venture that Chevy probably has done it's homework. I don't think they'd put something on the car that is less cost efficient unless it was more performance efficient.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:13 AM   #3
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I wouldn't worry about it... Independent Rear suspension has been used on loads of really powerful cars outside the US for years... Lamborghini, Ferrari, Merc, BMW, Porsche, TVR, Noble... the list goes on.
These guys have all produced absolute rocketships in the car scene.... i can only see benefits from this i.e. potentially better cornering capabilities.
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The IRS ought to be fine. Holden has had some problems with their particular IRS system handling the power, but that isn't a problem with IRS as a whole, as noted above^. There are serious rumors we'll get a G8 GXP in not too long, and that will likely have more than 400 hp, so we'll see how it goes. By all reports I've read so far the IRS on the Zeta platform has been able to handle the G8 GT's 360 hp and 392 lb-ft without any problems, so we're off to a good start.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:36 AM   #5
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The 2009 Camaro is probably going to have the Zeta Platform, which has all independent suspension. SO, is this platform going to be able to get all that 400 horsepower down to the weels. Wouldn't it be more cost effective and stable for the Camaro to have a rear axle? Shouldn't MUSCLE CARS have rear axle suspension. I know very little about the Zeta Platform and it kind of has me worried so please enlighten me! It is speculated that that the front tires will be 275 in the front and 305 at the rear. Is that even Realistic?

The only problem with 275 tires up front and 305s out back, are that tires that size are usually on high performance tires that also come at pretty steep prices. That would drive up the base price of the Camaro.

I would expect something more along the lines 245s or 255s all round, maybe a 265 in the rear, anything more will would probably be too expensive. The 400hp GTO only ran on 245s with a 235 option!

The independent rear will not be as good as a solid rear for straight line drag racing, but the one or two tenths you might loose in the 1/4 mile will be more than made up on a road course (if you know how to drive) and will feel better on the road overall.
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Agreed^

I'd rather have the more well-rounded car. It will probably still smoke all other cars in its class (and a few classes above it as well) on the 1/4 mile, so IRS should be a negligible liability at worst.
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:27 AM   #7
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IRS makes sense on the Camaro because it has always been a pony car, not just a mere muscle car. That means that it should be able to go quick in a straight line but also maintain a lot of that speed in the turns. Plus, everybody makes fun of domestic performance cars because they can never turn. The New Camaro will end that, or at least shut a few people up
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:47 PM   #8
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Plus, everybody makes fun of domestic performance cars because they can never turn. The New Camaro will end that, or at least shut a few people up
good point...top gear and won't be able to make fun of the Camaro like they did with the mustang.
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I'm sure Top Gear would find something wrong with the Camaro's IRS anyway.

They will say the IRS design isn't as advanced as Euro or Japanese IRS designs that have active this, computer-aided that, "I can't f'ing drive" handling electronics.
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you know, supposedly Jeremy Clarkson drives a third gen...or at least he has one. Maybe he won't be too tough
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:57 AM   #12
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Not concerened w/ the Camaros IRS at all. In fact, I'm looking forward to it. If something breaks, I'll just take it back to get it fixed. If it continues breaking, I'll upgrade it. First off, I'm not going to be that hard on it anyway. This car is going to handle brilliantly for every day driving.

Don't forget...the guys over from Cadillac were the ones designing this Camaro.....> The ride will be perfect and the IRS will be fine. There might be some wheelhop w/ all that power, but that's what aftermarket is for, once again.
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Well the Zeta platform is used on the Holden / Vauxhall VXR8 or the Pontiac G8... so i suppose if you want some hint on what it'll be like, go and test drive one of those (although the G8 doesn't seem to get the 414bhp of the Holden or Vauxhall).
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It doesn't appear to be a problem! I see LOTS of smoke, but no wheel hop!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

Vauxhall VXR8 being hooned on by the nice lady from 5th Gear!

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EDIT: Even better... its at the end of this video!

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And the Camaro is to be better than those cars. Things are looking good
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:42 PM   #16
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And the Camaro is to be better than those cars. Things are looking good
I'm now really looking forward to that IRS setup...
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:03 PM   #17
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everyone stop worrying...irs is gunna be just fine on the new camaro.
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you know, supposedly Jeremy Clarkson drives a third gen...or at least he has one. Maybe he won't be too tough
are you referring to Clarkson's drive from Florida to Alabama for the show? Yes he said he loved the third gen and that at that moment he would rather be driving the RS than an Enzo. Great episode btw!

I can pretty much already tell you how the Top Gear episode for the 5th gen will go:
First they'll say how this is a legendary car and talk about all of its history.
Then they'll get in and complain about all of the cheap plastics used in the interior..."shame on the Americans". Then they'll start it up and drive it while commenting that it can't corner like a European car worth three times as much money. Then Clarkson will have some a sentimental moment, resulting in the conclusion that desite being a pompous Brit, he really wishes he were an American (of course this wouldn't be said explicitly). Finally, they'll end up concluding that you just can't have this much fun in any European car for that kind of money.

That's the way all of their American car reviews go on top gear, which ever class.
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Agree...nix the plastics on the insides...those days are gone. But still, well done, you'd better copyright that, so Top Gear has to pay you when it goes exactly like that
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are you referring to Clarkson's drive from Florida to Alabama for the show? Yes he said he loved the third gen and that at that moment he would rather be driving the RS than an Enzo. Great episode btw!

I can pretty much already tell you how the Top Gear episode for the 5th gen will go:
First they'll say how this is a legendary car and talk about all of its history.
Then they'll get in and complain about all of the cheap plastics used in the interior..."shame on the Americans". Then they'll start it up and drive it while commenting that it can't corner like a European car worth three times as much money. Then Clarkson will have some a sentimental moment, resulting in the conclusion that desite being a pompous Brit, he really wishes he were an American (of course this wouldn't be said explicitly). Finally, they'll end up concluding that you just can't have this much fun in any European car for that kind of money.

That's the way all of their American car reviews go on top gear, which ever class.
Now, now let's not get personal about this.... plus cars like the Viper, Ford GT (which Clarkson bought) and the Corvette Z06 they actually quite liked.
Hammond bought a Dodge Charger and now owns a Mustang.
And they do rag on Euro cars too... i don't in anyway believe that they are the be all and end all of motor journalism, but i do think they are generally fair in their judgement.

But getting back to the subject... IRS is definitely the way to go!!!
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^Also Hammond love how the new Challenger looks and even made comment about how he loved american muscle cars. Methinks he'll drive the Challenger and then love the Camaro even more when it whips the Challenger...
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Anyone else notice how different Hammond looks in thew new season (after his big crash?). His hair is weird punk-rock-with-blonde-streaks... I think he got pretty messed up in that crash and is trying to hide it...

Just a though while I was watching him race the Euro-Fighter in the Veyron.

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and the Corvette Z06 they actually quite liked.

IRS is definitely the way to go!!!
I remember Clarkson talking smack about the ZO6. It just did really well on the road course and he acted all surprised. He will bash the camaro, I will then fly over there and show him how to drive it

As far as IRS, i am glad it will be used, but it IS coming apart in the Cadillacs and GTO's after a few hard launches. I myself never side step the cluth of my own cars so I dont see it being a problem for me.

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I remember Clarkson talking smack about the ZO6. It just did really well on the road course and acted all surprised. He will bash the camaro, I will then fly over there and show him how to drive it

As far as IRS, i am glas it will be used, but it IS coming apart in the Cadillacs and GTO's after a few hard launches. I myself never side step the cluth of my own cars so I dont see it being a problem for me.
We can always hope that this IRS will be different/stronger, Zeta and all....
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We can always hope that this IRS will be different/stronger, Zeta and all....
Only on a car forum would someone be hoping for a stronger IRS.
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