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Old 04-28-2009, 10:24 AM   #1
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Window index problem

Hello everybody! Just wanted to do an update that was told to me last Friday. Please don't beat me up if this has already been posted. I've been thumbing thru the post and have not seen this.

First of all I am a proud GM worker. My plant manager got wind that I had ordered the Camaro and wanted to know when I would be getting it. Well he was told the story, of course, and he did some checking along with some other gentlemen. They called me up late Friday afternoon and told me that the cars are on hold because of the window indexing. There is apparently some problem with it and they have to reprogram it. I hope that if anyone has heard of this problem they can concur or maybe one of the experts here can do some more checking .

After all this talk then they say it will be on its way this week. I will NOT hold my breath!
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:27 AM   #2
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dod ^^^ not constructive.

Well you ARE VIN# 1008 the first 2000 or so had bad BCU programming and had to have it redone.

Yeah its up here, and a very sore topic. But thanks for sharing nice to know we have more insiders comming onto the boards.
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:28 AM   #3
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My car was built on March 17th and just got finally shipped yesterday out of Pontiac Michigan do the window indexing issue.

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Old 04-28-2009, 10:30 AM   #4
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This has been talked about a bit. Flashing the BCM seems to be the fix.
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Well thank you all for the feedback! Maybe I missed it because I was looking for window index instead of BCU Programming?
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:37 AM   #6
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:45 AM   #7
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:47 AM   #8
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dod ^^^ not constructive.

Well you ARE VIN# 1008 the first 2000 or so had bad BCU programming and had to have it redone.

Yeah its up here, and a very sore topic. But thanks for sharing nice to know we have more insiders comming onto the boards.
Yeah, I was actually looking for the link. A customer came in to my shop before I found it. That repost smiley doesn't come across well. I apologize, wasn't trying to be rude or "not contructive". LOL

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Old 04-28-2009, 11:04 AM   #9
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so, what was wrong with it?
would the window just not move?
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:09 AM   #10
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so, what was wrong with it?
would the window just not move?
Perhaps when you try and roll two windows up at the same time, the car thinks it is a Prius and shoots to 80 mph uncontrollably and cannot be stopped by brakes.. GM is avoiding blaming the consumer for mistaking the foot pedal as a brake and is fixing this problem. Good for them..
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the indexing issue is that it just plain doesnt work.

the dealer car at Friendly still currently has the problem.

Indexing of the windows is a method, like in a mustang, or a G6 GXP for us GM folks... When you open the door the window drops just about an inch... and when you close the door the window doesnt go UP until the door is closed. Its to help keep a good seal and for air pressure.

WHen the indexing isnt working, the window just doesnt move when the door opens or closes. The windows still function normally, they just dont "index"
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Perhaps when you try and roll two windows up at the same time, the car thinks it is a Prius and shoots to 80 mph uncontrollably and cannot be stopped by brakes.. GM is avoiding blaming the consumer for mistaking the foot pedal as a brake and is fixing this problem. Good for them..
Your post made me lol.
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I used to have an Audi TT with the very same indexing problem...I'd be sitting there, at a stop or wherever, and the window would just go down all by itself. Or, I'd go out in the morning to get in it, and the window would be rolled down halfway. Very strange. I no longer have that car.
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wait, if the window doesnt drop...does the door still open...?
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the indexing issue is that it just plain doesnt work.

the dealer car at Friendly still currently has the problem.

Indexing of the windows is a method, like in a mustang, or a G6 GXP for us GM folks... When you open the door the window drops just about an inch... and when you close the door the window doesnt go UP until the door is closed. Its to help keep a good seal and for air pressure.

WHen the indexing isnt working, the window just doesnt move when the door opens or closes. The windows still function normally, they just dont "index"
It is also a timing issue. You do NOT want to quickly jerk the door open. There has to be a delay built into the latch release to allow the window to drop out of the door seal before the latch releases. Try to activate the handle, slight wait, then pull open to let the system do its thing. The end result is a much quieter interior due to improved sealing against wind noise!
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Perhaps when you try and roll two windows up at the same time, the car thinks it is a Prius and shoots to 80 mph uncontrollably and cannot be stopped by brakes.. GM is avoiding blaming the consumer for mistaking the foot pedal as a brake and is fixing this problem. Good for them..

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wait, if the window doesnt drop...does the door still open...?
Yes... but it wont close. When the door is closed the window closes the rest of the way and makes a wonderful seal. When you open the door, it drops and little and makes opening and closing the door easy.

Now if it is broken and doesn't drop, the door will open, it kinda pops out of the seal but you CAN NOT close it. It would need to be put down a bit, shut the door then put up. Not possible if you are exiting the vehicle.

It is not a timing issue, it works very quickly. By the time you open the latch, the window is down enough.

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For all of you planning on getting your windows tinted.
Let the tint installer know that your Camaro has indexing window.
If they do not know as the people that did my 2004 SSR the tint will end up short by the indexing height. They had to tear mine off and do them again.
They can take care of the problem by opening the door and then flipping the door latch in the door to make it think it is shut and the window will index back up.
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For all of you planning on getting your windows tinted.
Let the tint installer know that your Camaro has indexing window.
If they do not know as the people that did my 2004 SSR the tint will end up short by the indexing height. They had to tear mine off and do them again.
They can take care of the problem by opening the door and then flipping the door latch in the door to make it think it is shut and the window will index back up.
Good advice. They got my C6 and my dad's Mustang right without telling them. Any good tint shop should notice this when they open the door the first time...
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Yes... but it wont close. When the door is closed the window closes the rest of the way and makes a wonderful seal. When you open the door, it drops and little and makes opening and closing the door easy.

Now if it is broken and doesn't drop, the door will open, it kinda pops out of the seal but you CAN NOT close it. It would need to be put down a bit, shut the door then put up. Not possible if you are exiting the vehicle.

It is not a timing issue, it works very quickly. By the time you open the latch, the window is down enough.

That help?
Ok, so what happens in the middle of the winter when the car is all iced up, I go to open the door and the window can't possibly go down? (for those of you who live in warm climates, on some days a car can ice up so badly that you can't even open the doors, never mind a window!)
1) Will the door still open up?
2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down?
3) Will the door then close? (apparently not)
Why does everything have to be so complicated?
I like doors that have the entire window frame as part of the door, then you don't have this issue.
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Ok, so what happens in the middle of the winter when the car is all iced up, I go to open the door and the window can't possibly go down? (for those of you who live in warm climates, on some days a car can ice up so badly that you can't even open the doors, never mind a window!)
1) Will the door still open up?
2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down?
3) Will the door then close? (apparently not)
Why does everything have to be so complicated?
I like doors that have the entire window frame as part of the door, then you don't have this issue.
Ugh, I know about those days. Sometimes in winter I'll pull up to a drivethrough, only to realize my window's frozen shut and I have to open the whole door just to tell them my order. Yet another reason for me to keep the Grand Am and never subject the Camaro to harsh weather.
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If they ever get this first issue with the window indexing fixed you can fix it later without having to go to the dealer. Its easy to reset, close both doors, Roll both windows down and hold both switches down for 10 sec. Then roll both windows up holding the switches in the up position for a few seconds. That will solve the issue in the future if your battery ever goes dead and they need to be reset.
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Ok, so what happens in the middle of the winter when the car is all iced up, I go to open the door and the window can't possibly go down? (for those of you who live in warm climates, on some days a car can ice up so badly that you can't even open the doors, never mind a window!)
1) Will the door still open up?
2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down?
3) Will the door then close? (apparently not)
Why does everything have to be so complicated?
I like doors that have the entire window frame as part of the door, then you don't have this issue.
Wow great questions... I have no idea. The C6 never gets frost bite... I know what you mean though, here in Ohio that happens frequently in the winter. My guesses:

1) Will the door still open up? - PROBABLY

2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down? - NOT LIKELY I BET IT WOULD TRY THEN STOP RUNNING. More likely it would rip weatherstrip if its really frozen.

3) Will the door then close? (apparently not) - PROBABLY NOT

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If they ever get this first issue with the window indexing fixed you can fix it later without having to go to the dealer. Its easy to reset, close both doors, Roll both windows down and hold both switches down for 10 sec. Then roll both windows up holding the switches in the up position for a few seconds. That will solve the issue in the future if your battery ever goes dead and they need to be reset.
Not the case on the corvette. Doors closed, windows up, hold up 3 seconds, release, hold up 3 seconds, release... done. Not sure how the Camaro will be unless you are sure this is the way...
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