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Old 04-28-2009, 12:29 PM   #18
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wait, if the window doesnt drop...does the door still open...?
Yes... but it wont close. When the door is closed the window closes the rest of the way and makes a wonderful seal. When you open the door, it drops and little and makes opening and closing the door easy.

Now if it is broken and doesn't drop, the door will open, it kinda pops out of the seal but you CAN NOT close it. It would need to be put down a bit, shut the door then put up. Not possible if you are exiting the vehicle.

It is not a timing issue, it works very quickly. By the time you open the latch, the window is down enough.

That help?
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:05 PM   #19
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For all of you planning on getting your windows tinted.
Let the tint installer know that your Camaro has indexing window.
If they do not know as the people that did my 2004 SSR the tint will end up short by the indexing height. They had to tear mine off and do them again.
They can take care of the problem by opening the door and then flipping the door latch in the door to make it think it is shut and the window will index back up.
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:08 PM   #20
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:11 PM   #21
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For all of you planning on getting your windows tinted.
Let the tint installer know that your Camaro has indexing window.
If they do not know as the people that did my 2004 SSR the tint will end up short by the indexing height. They had to tear mine off and do them again.
They can take care of the problem by opening the door and then flipping the door latch in the door to make it think it is shut and the window will index back up.
Good advice. They got my C6 and my dad's Mustang right without telling them. Any good tint shop should notice this when they open the door the first time...
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:06 PM   #22
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Yes... but it wont close. When the door is closed the window closes the rest of the way and makes a wonderful seal. When you open the door, it drops and little and makes opening and closing the door easy.

Now if it is broken and doesn't drop, the door will open, it kinda pops out of the seal but you CAN NOT close it. It would need to be put down a bit, shut the door then put up. Not possible if you are exiting the vehicle.

It is not a timing issue, it works very quickly. By the time you open the latch, the window is down enough.

That help?
Ok, so what happens in the middle of the winter when the car is all iced up, I go to open the door and the window can't possibly go down? (for those of you who live in warm climates, on some days a car can ice up so badly that you can't even open the doors, never mind a window!)
1) Will the door still open up?
2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down?
3) Will the door then close? (apparently not)
Why does everything have to be so complicated?
I like doors that have the entire window frame as part of the door, then you don't have this issue.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:21 PM   #23
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Ok, so what happens in the middle of the winter when the car is all iced up, I go to open the door and the window can't possibly go down? (for those of you who live in warm climates, on some days a car can ice up so badly that you can't even open the doors, never mind a window!)
1) Will the door still open up?
2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down?
3) Will the door then close? (apparently not)
Why does everything have to be so complicated?
I like doors that have the entire window frame as part of the door, then you don't have this issue.
Ugh, I know about those days. Sometimes in winter I'll pull up to a drivethrough, only to realize my window's frozen shut and I have to open the whole door just to tell them my order. Yet another reason for me to keep the Grand Am and never subject the Camaro to harsh weather.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:26 PM   #24
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If they ever get this first issue with the window indexing fixed you can fix it later without having to go to the dealer. Its easy to reset, close both doors, Roll both windows down and hold both switches down for 10 sec. Then roll both windows up holding the switches in the up position for a few seconds. That will solve the issue in the future if your battery ever goes dead and they need to be reset.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:53 PM   #25
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Ok, so what happens in the middle of the winter when the car is all iced up, I go to open the door and the window can't possibly go down? (for those of you who live in warm climates, on some days a car can ice up so badly that you can't even open the doors, never mind a window!)
1) Will the door still open up?
2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down?
3) Will the door then close? (apparently not)
Why does everything have to be so complicated?
I like doors that have the entire window frame as part of the door, then you don't have this issue.
Wow great questions... I have no idea. The C6 never gets frost bite... I know what you mean though, here in Ohio that happens frequently in the winter. My guesses:

1) Will the door still open up? - PROBABLY

2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down? - NOT LIKELY I BET IT WOULD TRY THEN STOP RUNNING. More likely it would rip weatherstrip if its really frozen.

3) Will the door then close? (apparently not) - PROBABLY NOT

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If they ever get this first issue with the window indexing fixed you can fix it later without having to go to the dealer. Its easy to reset, close both doors, Roll both windows down and hold both switches down for 10 sec. Then roll both windows up holding the switches in the up position for a few seconds. That will solve the issue in the future if your battery ever goes dead and they need to be reset.
Not the case on the corvette. Doors closed, windows up, hold up 3 seconds, release, hold up 3 seconds, release... done. Not sure how the Camaro will be unless you are sure this is the way...
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:11 PM   #26
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Well, I was sorry I brought up a subject (window indexing) that had already been talked about. BUT, I found all the information very helpful! Thanks again everyone!
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:05 PM   #27
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Somehow, we lived without "window indexing" on cars for many decades, but now everything has it. Just one more needless gadget that causes more problems than it solves.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:24 PM   #28
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Wind noise can be pretty annoying in my '69 Mustang & '67 Fairlane (both real Hardtops with original roof rail weatherstripping) ... but on the 3 SN-95 Mustangs I've had without "INDEXING" ('94. '98 & '04), I've never heard ANY wind noise in 335,000 miles of driving !!

Yet, it had to designed into the 2005-up Mustang and now most new designs including the Camaro.

I suppose now there are people out there that have been brainwashed into thinking they can't buy a new car without it, so we are now stuck with one more unneccessary feature that may require servicing sooner or later. Kind of like power sliding doors & lift gates on today's minivans ... are these problematic features REALLY neccessary ??

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Old 04-28-2009, 05:57 PM   #29
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Wind noise can be pretty annoying in my '69 Mustang & '67 Fairlane (both real Hardtops with original roof rail weatherstripping) ... but on the 3 SN-95 Mustangs I've had without "INDEXING" ('94. '98 & '04), I've never heard ANY wind noise in 335,000 miles of driving !!

Yet, it had to designed into the 2005-up Mustang and now most new designs including the Camaro.

I suppose now there are people out there that have been brainwashed into thinking they can't buy a new car without it, so we are now stuck with one more unneccessary feature that may require servicing sooner or later. Kind of like power sliding doors & lift gates on today's minivans ... are these problematic features REALLY neccessary ??

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haha, i happen to like these features...its 2009...people like seeing technology at work.

and so with a dead battery, you cannot close the door?
this would be annoying.
but, its hard to run batteries down now, with run down protection and stuff
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In a perfect world, YES these features are nice.

But I don't look forward to "indexing windows" possibly having a problem in the winter !!

Have not had power doors on any of the minivans we've had, but EVERYONE that I know that DOES have them has had their vans in the dealer at one time or another to fix this wonderfull feature !!
If your handicap or there is some other reason you can't open & close van doors, then I see a need for these features ... however the majority of people are perfectly capable of opening & closing van doors but these features are now STANDARD on all trim levels but the very base model because everyone thinks they gotta have it.

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Old 04-29-2009, 12:36 AM   #31
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my last dodge challenger srt8 had that window option

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Wow great questions... I have no idea. The C6 never gets frost bite... I know what you mean though, here in Ohio that happens frequently in the winter. My guesses:

1) Will the door still open up? - PROBABLY

2) Will the window motor burn out trying to go down? - NOT LIKELY I BET IT WOULD TRY THEN STOP RUNNING. More likely it would rip weatherstrip if its really frozen.

3) Will the door then close? (apparently not) - PROBABLY NOT

my last challenger had the window frozen last november 2008

,here in great white north(montreal) at -15 in november,the ice jammed the

window,they did not dropped of ¼ inches,and went you close the door,the

glass made contact with a small metal bracket fix on the ridge of the

roof(curved piece helping sealed)

the window does not seal until the glass unfreezed

Not the case on the corvette. Doors closed, windows up, hold up 3 seconds, release, hold up 3 seconds, release... done. Not sure how the Camaro will be unless you are sure this is the way...
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Old 04-29-2009, 02:34 AM   #32
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Ugh, I know about those days. Sometimes in winter I'll pull up to a drivethrough, only to realize my window's frozen shut and I have to open the whole door just to tell them my order. Yet another reason for me to keep the Grand Am and never subject the Camaro to harsh weather.
That sounds like my plan exactly ... only mines an '05.
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A guy I work with has the v6 Challenger. He said this winter he had trouble with the windows indexing. He used a can of ice melt to spray the window seals. A few minutes later it was no problem. Still annoying though. Glad I'm keeping the VW.
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