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Old 11-28-2007, 03:16 PM   #35
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I thought there was something in the UAW contract that mentioned a 7 speed "DCT" (Dual Clutch) transmission?
I'll look when I get home. I saved the PDF when it was first "leaked"...now I think it may be lost in the Web somewhere

btw; I'll edit this post with the answer when I get it
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:02 PM   #36
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It's Nowhere near the same thing...
the auto-paddle shift transmission that GM has in the Vette, is still an automatic transmission at heart. You can just control it now.

The Ferrari, on the other hand, uses a DCT (dual clutch transmission). Where it's core is a manual-style transmission, but it's automated when you want it to be. howstuffworks.com has a real great intro on it. There's just too much to it for my poor little fingers to type out here
yeah i know there was more to a ferarri than a vette but kinda the same concept.
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:07 AM   #37
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I like the shifter, seriously :P

However the automated manuals can complete a shift in something rediculous like a quarter of a second. What does that mean? Well... a rough shift, that's for sure... but a faster shift. Definitely a racing feature.

I like the ability to shift hard, or shift soft depending on my mood. I really like a shift knob. I also sometimes shift 1-2-4, almost red-lining first, running second pretty hard, and then cruising in 4th. I couldn't do that with paddle shifters... not that it's good for my transmission anyway /shrug.
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:04 AM   #38
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I like the ability to shift hard, or shift soft depending on my mood. I really like a shift knob. I also sometimes shift 1-2-4, almost red-lining first, running second pretty hard, and then cruising in 4th. I couldn't do that with paddle shifters... not that it's good for my transmission anyway /shrug.
Yes, you could...2 to 4 would be a double-tap up.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:52 PM   #39
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^^^^ thats pretty slick.
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Old 12-29-2007, 09:55 PM   #40
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If you want to buy a manual, first learn from friend or relative first. As of first cars I drove in a Camry during my road test and a hand me down civic for a few weeks. (man did I hate those cars) But my first truly owned car is a Scion tC (automatic). I would honest say try before you buy though.
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Old 12-29-2007, 11:22 PM   #41
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I do not doubt one bit that the new Camaro will have paddle shift abilities, but I'm sure it will be just like the Malibu's and Corvette's, not Audi or Ferrari. A number of companies have stated that they will start using dual clutch transmissions, but GM was not one of them.
Wha??? Sorry Im not the most technical of people when it comes to cars.... wtf is dual clutch transmissions....kinda like what the Audi A3 has?
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Wha??? Sorry Im not the most technical of people when it comes to cars.... wtf is dual clutch transmissions....kinda like what the Audi A3 has?
Read that in a less aggressive tone than the smiley implies, but I discussed the difference in great detail just a little earlier on this thread.
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Old 12-29-2007, 11:36 PM   #43
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It's an automated manual Transmission. As opposed to GM's which is an Automatic at heart, a DCT uses the basics of a manual, and moves itself. The beauty lies in that since there are two separate shafts, the next gear is already engaged - so all the tranny has to do is switch which shaft it's pushing power through. This results in very quick shifts. Look it up on howstuffworks.com. I'd go into more detail - but they have pictures and a real good description of how it works.

As per the quote... GM may not have said anything, but the C7 Vette will be getting one.
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To add to that, a dual clutch tranny, like its name implies, has two clutches, one for the currently engaged gear and one preselecting the next gear (so basically a clutch for gears 1,3,5, and a clutch for gears 2,4,6) It allows for very fast shifts and isn't the same thing as a traditional auto gearbox with a torque converter and paddle shifters talking to a computer.
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Read that in a less aggressive tone than the smiley implies, but I discussed the difference in great detail just a little earlier on this thread.
my bad dude.... got it.
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It's an automated manual Transmission. As opposed to GM's which is an Automatic at heart, a DCT uses the basics of a manual, and moves itself. The beauty lies in that since there are two separate shafts, the next gear is already engaged - so all the tranny has to do is switch which shaft it's pushing power through. This results in very quick shifts. Look it up on howstuffworks.com. I'd go into more detail - but they have pictures and a real good description of how it works.

As per the quote... GM may not have said anything, but the C7 Vette will be getting one.
thanks dragon.... i got it.... its something similar to what I had heard about previously, just want sure.

Really cool tho, I must admit, it might make me think twice about not getting manual if this was offered on the Camaro.
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They are really nice, and as I said some have even said they do make the manual transmission obsolete. GM's traditional paddle shift automatics have also been greatly improved, and the gap is closing, so even if the Camaro just gets that, most people will be happy. Well, there are plenty of manual transmission devotees who don't care if it works just as well as a true manual, because nothing can replicate the feeling of physically rowing through the gears yourselves, and they're right. So if that is important to you, still go manual. But looking at it strictly from a performance perspective, most modern automatic trannies with manual or sport shift modes can hold their own against even the better manual transmissions.
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Old 12-30-2007, 02:27 AM   #48
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They are really nice, and as I said some have even said they do make the manual transmission obsolete. GM's traditional paddle shift automatics have also been greatly improved, and the gap is closing, so even if the Camaro just gets that, most people will be happy. Well, there are plenty of manual transmission devotees who don't care if it works just as well as a true manual, because nothing can replicate the feeling of physically rowing through the gears yourselves, and they're right. So if that is important to you, still go manual. But looking at it strictly from a performance perspective, most modern automatic trannies with manual or sport shift modes can hold their own against even the better manual transmissions.
yah, thats true.... im most likely still gunna get a manual... your right about the rowing through the gears.... there's nothing like it.... infact I know I'm gunna get manual
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I'd say you learn how to drive manual, coming from a girl that loves cars, if i saw a young guy in the 5 gen camaro driving stick, it would melt my heart. I plan on buying manual once i get better at driving it. My suggestion is that you start early, and you're one lucky boy, BE CAREFUL!
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^Now that's encouraging for a young single guy like me Personally I had some doubts because my dad told me to get an automatic, and I trust his advice, but I just can't on this. I'd get bored. So manual it is.
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I know this will make you all angry, but I'm getting an automatic.

I'm going to be putting so much money into this car that I'm not a fan of replacing my clutch every 6 months. I know how I'm going to drive my Camaro, and a manual won't survive like an automatic. I'm not saying I'm going to be driving recklessly, but I haven't owned a manual before, so I'm guessing a 400hp monster isn't a good place to start.
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