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Old 02-19-2012, 10:27 AM   #1
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Got Challenged by a Challenger.... 6.4

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Hey guys, well I used to be on a forum when I was much younger and had a dodge ram rumble bee truck. I met a ton of cool people on that forum much like here and I recently popped back in to say hi. Well, an old hat on the forum asked me to line up with his new challenger since we are both in Houston this spring.... I looked at his signature and it is a 6.4 2011 Chally.

The fella said his mods are

-catback
-cai

all on factory goodyears.


I have a 2010 2SS/RS with

- 6 speed manual
- England green dyno tune
- straight pipe exhaust
- vararam "tune model" intake
- lsr short throw shifter


I agreed to line them up, as of course It's all in good fun and I have yet to run one of those MOPAR's yet.

Do you think I will get my butt handed to me? I believe he has a 6 speed as well.

I have posted a link to his dyno graph and his recent time slips from the other website, hope he doesnt mind. Doubt he does:

- http://www.rumblebee.org//files/img_3709_small_173.jpg
- http://www.rumblebee.org//files/img_3167small_699.jpg


And I have also attached my graph:




So, if it seems that on paper he would smoke me, I was planning on installing long tube headers this spring before the race...

Would this even out the playing field any?

Anything else I can do to beef up for race day?

Thanks,

Peace, Love, And . Without all the hippie crap, and what the hell, smoke em if you got em.
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:35 AM   #2
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w/ about 50hp + weight difference, it should be a driver's race. Practice on your get go from the start.
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:41 AM   #3
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Hmmm. I would have said drivers race before looking at his time slips. Something doesn't add up. His 60' and 1/4 mile times are pretty stout. Not too many almost stock Camaros running those kind of times.
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:45 AM   #4
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I would say you have hime with a good launch and good shifts..
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Old 02-19-2012, 12:22 PM   #5
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He's only got 25whp on you, but his 52wtq advantage will help him off the line and through the first half of the track. You'll need a better rwhp/weight ratio to even it out.
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Old 02-19-2012, 12:37 PM   #6
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he will ilkely win. the dyno slips would only matter if you both ran back to back.

my bet is a .2 difference. he has a massive torque advantage. he wins.
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:09 PM   #7
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Absolute best case scenario in perfect conditions and amazing driving a tune and cai ls3 6 speed SS could maybe run a 12.2 on stock rubber (best stock time EVER is a 12.5). I see he got a 1.8 60 ft...he can drive...but dont know his DA.

Absolute best case scenario it will be very close. But I would have to guess he has got you by a couple tenths. Very unlikely you will be able to match his 12.2. You will most likely be mid to high 12's if you can drive and have good conditions.

Get some longtubes and make it interesting. But that will only help if you can still launch it correctly. Maybe you will need some smaller rims and DR's. I think he has got you right now.
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:20 PM   #8
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My money is on the Challenger. If he's running those times, it's probably an auto, which means you can rule out a win because he's a shitty driver. He's going to cut those times all day long.
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:43 PM   #9
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My money is on the Challenger. If he's running those times, it's probably an auto, which means you can rule out a win because he's a shitty driver. He's going to cut those times all day long.
OP said he was a 6 speed...assuming he means MT. But those look like the auto times for sure. I havent seen anyone with a 6 speed manual run that yet. 1.8 60 would be hard to pull with the MT with stock rubber on that car.
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His car should already be a lil faster maybe 3tenths and 3mph given equal drivers but it seems hes also really good behind the wheel so good luck on that!!!
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:51 PM   #11
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Johns 392 is not a 6 speed car. Its an auto and he has run a 12.28 @ 114 bone stock before the mods. He knows how to drive that sum bitch so look out............

We have been running for the best bone stock 392 time for a while and we are DAMN CLOSE. My 12.25 @ 114 to his 12.28 @ 114. He is on this forum as "dadstoy"
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Old 02-19-2012, 06:25 PM   #12
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cool, yes my challenger is an auto and those are my times. they were run at KCIR in 50 degree temps. temps have a big effect on my car. I can hit 1.8 60' consistantly on factory F1's. the challenger seams to be able to hook pretty well in stock form for the Auto tranny's. 6 speed manuals are not doing well in the 60' department.

Just looking for fun. nothing serious. I am a hugh GM fan and traded my 2007 vette for this challenger so I could take daughter and grand daughter to track and car shows in one car.

I am looking at the ZL1 as a replacement for my challenger depending on price gouging by the stealerships.
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Old 02-19-2012, 06:34 PM   #13
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btw, I posted my time slips on the thread in our rumblebee site to let him know that my car did run pretty good for a stock challenger 392. might have a little to do with the driver also.

here is my old TA and it was a moser manual 6 speed with 4.56 gears, spec stage 3 clutch
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:13 PM   #14
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I think you should be able to take him with the added hp from headers. Throw in a nasty CAM and you'll probably have him for sure.
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:41 PM   #15
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I think you should be able to take him with the added hp from headers. Throw in a nasty CAM and you'll probably have him for sure.

too funny, what if I add headers and nasty cam also? this is a run for fun. I am not all caught up in a my car is better than your car and what if.
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too funny, what if I add headers and nasty cam also? this is a run for fun. I am not all caught up in a my car is better than your car and what if.
Then you would have to tune it...oh wait you cant.

What is the status on this anyway?
Last I heard people were talking about swapping to a 2010 pcm and all kinds of headache/other details...

Any realistic solution yet for tuning the 392?
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I think you should be able to take him with the added hp from headers. Throw in a nasty CAM and you'll probably have him for sure.
Typical full boltons including headers c5 camis run about the same or slower traps than 392 challis. Average cammed camaro is faster by a couple mphs
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btw, I posted my time slips on the thread in our rumblebee site to let him know that my car did run pretty good for a stock challenger 392. might have a little to do with the driver also.

here is my old TA and it was a moser manual 6 speed with 4.56 gears, spec stage 3 clutch
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I can't wait to see how this plays out! I think the challenger really gets underestimated!
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he will ilkely win. the dyno slips would only matter if you both ran back to back.

my bet is a .2 difference. he has a massive torque advantage. he wins.
The SRT should easily win assuming he doesn't make any mistakes - I've seen it time and time again. Of course if you start modding, that changes things. The bench racers can say what they want but the SRT has a significant power advantage. This isn't a put down on the SS (it's a great car!), the SRT8 is simply more powerful.

But what's the big deal? You can mod your car and be faster. Then he can mod his and be faster and on and on it goes. Don't worry about it - get out to the track and have a blast! Racing is tremendous fun! And that is the whole point - having fun!
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btw, I posted my time slips on the thread in our rumblebee site to let him know that my car did run pretty good for a stock challenger 392. might have a little to do with the driver also.

here is my old TA and it was a moser manual 6 speed with 4.56 gears, spec stage 3 clutch
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ANywho, your chally will have the advantage, but being a race for fun it is just a good time
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Since your racing one of the fastest 392s in the country your gonna need allot of luck Most of these cars dont run 12.2s stock and I would say it would be close, but in this case your gonna need headers! Then your going to have to drive your as$ off. But headers would even things out and give you a chance with a good launch. That vararam tune intake and adding headers might take you past his power output by a tad and give a you fighting chance.
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Typical full boltons including headers c5 camis run about the same or slower traps than 392 challis. Average cammed camaro is faster by a couple mphs
c5 camis?
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I think he meant cams... C5 Camaro cams/cammed ?
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