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Old 02-20-2012, 05:04 PM   #26
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Unless you have a lot of track experience he's going to beat you pretty easily. His car's an auto and has already run low 12s.

With good driving, you'll probably be in the mid 12s or so.

You said straight pipes? Does that mean you have headers also? If not, you don't have a chance.

I saw your dyno graph and you do have headers. That definitely makes things more interesting. You'll need some drag radials and a good launch and you could make the race interesting. But his auto will launch really well off the line. So you definitely need drag radials and good launch technique to keep the race close.
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Old 02-20-2012, 05:19 PM   #27
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Challenger for the WIN!!!!!! Also that 12.2 is real good with stock tires...Ive yet to see one run that time on street rubber. That 6.4 is a monster motor. They pull real hard up top. He won't beat you by much if you drive/shift it perfectly. My buddy has a 2010 6.1 and we both would run heads up all day, it all came down to who got off line the best.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:30 PM   #30
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Unless you have a lot of track experience he's going to beat you pretty easily. His car's an auto and has already run low 12s.

With good driving, you'll probably be in the mid 12s or so.

You said straight pipes? Does that mean you have headers also? If not, you don't have a chance.

I saw your dyno graph and you do have headers. That definitely makes things more interesting. You'll need some drag radials and a good launch and you could make the race interesting. But his auto will launch really well off the line. So you definitely need drag radials and good launch technique to keep the race close.
Wow this thread got some responses

I'm in civil procedure now, so i'll get on a little later to comment more

BUT

No headers, I just have a muffler delete. I want to add headers though, the chart reflects only intake,muffler delete, and tune
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:50 PM   #31
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:18 PM   #32
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thanks for all the nice comments guys. I am a die hard GM fan who just happens to have a challenger for now. I have had 5 Camaro's and 2 Trans Am's and 2 vettes over my life and will have another vette and camaro.

I picked the challenger over the SS just for back seat and trunk room. love the looks of both cars and absolutely love any LS motor and what you CAN do with it.

Someone mentioned tuning. you are right. still no tuning at all. thats why my challenger will remain stock. not even planning on headers until a tune or I trade it for a ZL1. there has been a couple 392's that did just what the guy said by replacing the PCM with a 2010 unit. it absolutly sucks that dodge locks the tune.

my goal; last year was to see how fast I could run a 100% stock 392 on factory stock tires. I made 40+ runs and the 12.2's were my last runs. temps and DA was near perfect. can't remember the exact numbers.

my goal for this year is to get an 11.9 timeslip stock 392 with a set of sticky tires. I think I can cut a 1.6 or 1.7 60' on a set of slicks and hopefully put me close to an 11 second slip with only real addition being tires, CAI and cat back.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:56 PM   #33
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Tuning *may be* just around the corner.... Speaking of I'm off to check that thread for updates.
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Someone mentioned tuning. you are right. still no tuning at all. thats why my challenger will remain stock. not even planning on headers until a tune or I trade it for a ZL1. there has been a couple 392's that did just what the guy said by replacing the PCM with a 2010 unit. it absolutly sucks that dodge locks the tune.
Well it's only a matter of time before it's cracked, right ? I mean the Evo X and Nissan GTR were locked, but they were cracked too. Same with the 5.7 Ram, etc.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:47 PM   #35
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Well it's only a matter of time before it's cracked, right ? I mean the Evo X and Nissan GTR were locked, but they were cracked too. Same with the 5.7 Ram, etc.
we've been hearing its been close to being cracked for a looong time now...hopefully for the 2011+ guys, its soon. chrysler needs to get their head out of their ass. apparently its a "rolling code" that can be cracked, but the next time you start the car its a whole different encryption key...i'm glad i have an 09!
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thanks for all the nice comments guys. I am a die hard GM fan who just happens to have a challenger for now. I have had 5 Camaro's and 2 Trans Am's and 2 vettes over my life and will have another vette and camaro.

I picked the challenger over the SS just for back seat and trunk room. love the looks of both cars and absolutely love any LS motor and what you CAN do with it.

Someone mentioned tuning. you are right. still no tuning at all. thats why my challenger will remain stock. not even planning on headers until a tune or I trade it for a ZL1. there has been a couple 392's that did just what the guy said by replacing the PCM with a 2010 unit. it absolutly sucks that dodge locks the tune.

my goal; last year was to see how fast I could run a 100% stock 392 on factory stock tires. I made 40+ runs and the 12.2's were my last runs. temps and DA was near perfect. can't remember the exact numbers.

my goal for this year is to get an 11.9 timeslip stock 392 with a set of sticky tires. I think I can cut a 1.6 or 1.7 60' on a set of slicks and hopefully put me close to an 11 second slip with only real addition being tires, CAI and cat back.

Yes guys, it will be all in fun. I have the utmost respect for john (DadsToy) and simply started the thread to see if I even had a running shot at the Chally. I must admit, I was sure your low 12 second times were with the mods not without, I would be honored to stare at the challenger tail lights if driven by such a good driver

I also have another buddy with a 2010 SS with a 6 speed manual. Hopefully we can get him in on this too.

I will try and have the headers on by race day so we can be a little more even, I'll try and keep it interesting for you and for the C5 guys ....
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:36 PM   #37
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too funny, what if I add headers and nasty cam also? this is a run for fun. I am not all caught up in a my car is better than your car and what if.
This, I give you mad props for...
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Well it's only a matter of time before it's cracked, right ? I mean the Evo X and Nissan GTR were locked, but they were cracked too. Same with the 5.7 Ram, etc.
Supposed to be people working on it and close...no results yet though.
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another reason for buying the challenger is knowing I could NOT tune it. tuning is a bad thing for me. my red TA I posted was super nice and I put 17k in mods into it in 2002 one year after I bought it. car ran great for 2 seasons and then I blew the motor. with no tuning on the hemi's I am NOT tempted to make it go faster with mods. I am liking it stock so far and plan to keep it that way. I will add a set of slicks but thats about it.

now if I trade for a ZL1, I can see my self blowing up a 55k car instead of a 33k TA bucause I would want to make it run better than what it did from the factory. so dodge keeps me from blowing up my cars.
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Yes guys, it will be all in fun. I have the utmost respect for john (DadsToy) and simply started the thread to see if I even had a running shot at the Chally. I must admit, I was sure your low 12 second times were with the mods not without, I would be honored to stare at the challenger tail lights if driven by such a good driver

I also have another buddy with a 2010 SS with a 6 speed manual. Hopefully we can get him in on this too.

I will try and have the headers on by race day so we can be a little more even, I'll try and keep it interesting for you and for the C5 guys ....

it took all season to get those times and get the lanches down to 1.8 60' but by the end of the season, 1.8's were consistant.

I did start the season running 12.9's in almost 100 degree temps and as the season got cooler my times also went down to the 12.2's I posted.

my real goal was to add a set of slicks and get an 11.99 slip on a stock 392. now I lost that by adding a cat back and CAI. still fairly stock and very minor mods and I will still be happy if I can get close to a 11.99 with the two little mods I have.
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so dodge keeps me from blowing up my cars.
hahaha, to be honest, that's pretty rock solid reasoning!
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so dodge keeps me from blowing up my cars.
Well damn, I guess I never thought of it that way before because I most likely would have a Procharger on mine by now. LOL. I guess you could always throw a 100 shot on it.
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another reason for buying the challenger is knowing I could NOT tune it. tuning is a bad thing for me. my red TA I posted was super nice and I put 17k in mods into it in 2002 one year after I bought it. car ran great for 2 seasons and then I blew the motor. with no tuning on the hemi's I am NOT tempted to make it go faster with mods. I am liking it stock so far and plan to keep it that way. I will add a set of slicks but thats about it.

now if I trade for a ZL1, I can see my self blowing up a 55k car instead of a 33k TA bucause I would want to make it run better than what it did from the factory. so dodge keeps me from blowing up my cars.


why don't you mod the car within its limits and keep it there or build it to take unlimited power?
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why don't you mod the car within its limits and keep it there or build it to take unlimited power?

it is at its limits by adding a CAI and cat back with out tunning. people who have put a set of headers on are throwing codes and I don't want to deal with that. so again my goal is an 11.9 slip with CAI, catback and a set of sticky tires.

I could go with a converter but still want to see if I can hit an 11 second slip before doing something like that. we already have a guy who put converter and drag radials and hit 11's. I want to see if I can beat him. he might of shot a 75 hp shot of juice and I want to do it without.

also might trade for ZL1 or 2013 challenger if they come out with a 392 with blower on it from the factory.
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also might trade for ZL1 or 2013 challenger if they come out with a 392 with blower on it from the factory.
That makes 2 of us. If the new GT500 had an auto option that would be on the list too but the auto wont ever happen on the GT500's. So, its back to the ZL1 or 2013 Challenger. Who knows what Dodge will do though.

I also dont think Brian ran a 75 shot to get the 11.9's. If he did, the trap speed would have been better than the 114.
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around march we should plan a day at the track. Will need time to bring my challenger down from KC to houston. let me know.
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Well, my 2012 6.4L SRT8 Charger took down a 6SPD Camaro, my friends to be exact and we both switched off back and forth. The charger won hands down every time. I can't speak for the challenger but when I had my 2SS I had a 6.4L 392 beat me similarly like my charger beat my friends 2SS. But go have fun!
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