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Old 02-20-2012, 12:46 AM   #18
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I think you should be able to take him with the added hp from headers. Throw in a nasty CAM and you'll probably have him for sure.
Typical full boltons including headers c5 camis run about the same or slower traps than 392 challis. Average cammed camaro is faster by a couple mphs
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:05 AM   #19
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btw, I posted my time slips on the thread in our rumblebee site to let him know that my car did run pretty good for a stock challenger 392. might have a little to do with the driver also.

here is my old TA and it was a moser manual 6 speed with 4.56 gears, spec stage 3 clutch
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:50 AM   #20
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I can't wait to see how this plays out! I think the challenger really gets underestimated!
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:59 AM   #21
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he will ilkely win. the dyno slips would only matter if you both ran back to back.

my bet is a .2 difference. he has a massive torque advantage. he wins.
The SRT should easily win assuming he doesn't make any mistakes - I've seen it time and time again. Of course if you start modding, that changes things. The bench racers can say what they want but the SRT has a significant power advantage. This isn't a put down on the SS (it's a great car!), the SRT8 is simply more powerful.

But what's the big deal? You can mod your car and be faster. Then he can mod his and be faster and on and on it goes. Don't worry about it - get out to the track and have a blast! Racing is tremendous fun! And that is the whole point - having fun!
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:44 AM   #22
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btw, I posted my time slips on the thread in our rumblebee site to let him know that my car did run pretty good for a stock challenger 392. might have a little to do with the driver also.

here is my old TA and it was a moser manual 6 speed with 4.56 gears, spec stage 3 clutch
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ANywho, your chally will have the advantage, but being a race for fun it is just a good time
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:53 AM   #23
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Since your racing one of the fastest 392s in the country your gonna need allot of luck Most of these cars dont run 12.2s stock and I would say it would be close, but in this case your gonna need headers! Then your going to have to drive your as$ off. But headers would even things out and give you a chance with a good launch. That vararam tune intake and adding headers might take you past his power output by a tad and give a you fighting chance.
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:43 PM   #24
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Typical full boltons including headers c5 camis run about the same or slower traps than 392 challis. Average cammed camaro is faster by a couple mphs
c5 camis?
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:58 PM   #25
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c5 camis?
I think he meant cams... C5 Camaro cams/cammed ?
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:04 PM   #26
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Unless you have a lot of track experience he's going to beat you pretty easily. His car's an auto and has already run low 12s.

With good driving, you'll probably be in the mid 12s or so.

You said straight pipes? Does that mean you have headers also? If not, you don't have a chance.

I saw your dyno graph and you do have headers. That definitely makes things more interesting. You'll need some drag radials and a good launch and you could make the race interesting. But his auto will launch really well off the line. So you definitely need drag radials and good launch technique to keep the race close.

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Old 02-20-2012, 06:19 PM   #27
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:10 PM   #28
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Challenger for the WIN!!!!!! Also that 12.2 is real good with stock tires...Ive yet to see one run that time on street rubber. That 6.4 is a monster motor. They pull real hard up top. He won't beat you by much if you drive/shift it perfectly. My buddy has a 2010 6.1 and we both would run heads up all day, it all came down to who got off line the best.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:30 PM   #30
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Unless you have a lot of track experience he's going to beat you pretty easily. His car's an auto and has already run low 12s.

With good driving, you'll probably be in the mid 12s or so.

You said straight pipes? Does that mean you have headers also? If not, you don't have a chance.

I saw your dyno graph and you do have headers. That definitely makes things more interesting. You'll need some drag radials and a good launch and you could make the race interesting. But his auto will launch really well off the line. So you definitely need drag radials and good launch technique to keep the race close.
Wow this thread got some responses

I'm in civil procedure now, so i'll get on a little later to comment more

BUT

No headers, I just have a muffler delete. I want to add headers though, the chart reflects only intake,muffler delete, and tune
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:50 PM   #31
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:18 PM   #32
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thanks for all the nice comments guys. I am a die hard GM fan who just happens to have a challenger for now. I have had 5 Camaro's and 2 Trans Am's and 2 vettes over my life and will have another vette and camaro.

I picked the challenger over the SS just for back seat and trunk room. love the looks of both cars and absolutely love any LS motor and what you CAN do with it.

Someone mentioned tuning. you are right. still no tuning at all. thats why my challenger will remain stock. not even planning on headers until a tune or I trade it for a ZL1. there has been a couple 392's that did just what the guy said by replacing the PCM with a 2010 unit. it absolutly sucks that dodge locks the tune.

my goal; last year was to see how fast I could run a 100% stock 392 on factory stock tires. I made 40+ runs and the 12.2's were my last runs. temps and DA was near perfect. can't remember the exact numbers.

my goal for this year is to get an 11.9 timeslip stock 392 with a set of sticky tires. I think I can cut a 1.6 or 1.7 60' on a set of slicks and hopefully put me close to an 11 second slip with only real addition being tires, CAI and cat back.
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Old 02-21-2012, 12:56 AM   #33
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Tuning *may be* just around the corner.... Speaking of I'm off to check that thread for updates.
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Someone mentioned tuning. you are right. still no tuning at all. thats why my challenger will remain stock. not even planning on headers until a tune or I trade it for a ZL1. there has been a couple 392's that did just what the guy said by replacing the PCM with a 2010 unit. it absolutly sucks that dodge locks the tune.
Well it's only a matter of time before it's cracked, right ? I mean the Evo X and Nissan GTR were locked, but they were cracked too. Same with the 5.7 Ram, etc.
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