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Old 02-20-2012, 11:47 AM   #1
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Question Which rear end to go with?

I have to say making a decision on this is probably more difficult than it was for me on any other component in my build project, because all the vendors seem to have a great product, but with the engine or supercharger there was few options to go with in terms of what I specifically wanted.

I've researched DSS, GForce, Hendrix and recenlty found out about LPE's offering thanks to Camaro5 member DangerRuss (I didn't even know the 9.5" existed), and I believe they all offer good product and most likely will also meet or exceed customer serivice expectations.

We did preliminary testing with the new engine and the results were very promising at 1100hp., before we ran out of fuel so now we know with a few fuel upgrades in the future we can most likely exceed that number quite easily based on the data, however, before that can be done it's best to strengthen the driveline so we de-tuned until I can get that done.

Based on my analysis all the vendors seem to offer some seriously strong kits, but I want to make sure I get the proper system that will be capable of handling my power levels which eventually may end up exceeding 1000+rwhp. and can maintain (to some degree) the integrity of the vehicle in place (no cutting, drilling, welding, etc....). At this point I'm not concerned with the price of the product.

My shop has done plenty of installs of rear end systems on numerous vehicles, but I don't think anyone local has actually installed a complete rear on a 2010+ Camaro SS, so I may be setting the precedent again for the shop. I have confidence they can make a good recommendation, but want feedback as eventually it's my decision what to go with based on all the details I can gather.

My question is to members which system did you get and of course what's your feedback overall, have you beat the crap out of it? Was it easy to install bolt on / cut and chop? And, to the vendors which of your systems would you recommend? How, compatible and adaptable is your system? ie - Is it proprietary (axles, centre are specially designed for that specific kit) or easily interchangeable with off the shelf replacements. I don't mind if I have to go outside of the norm, and get something a little bit customized for my needs, but for the most part if something were to go wrong I would not want to have to purchase some really expensive proprietary part and wait months to receive it, unless of course there is some huge benefit to such a piece. And, what type of warranty do you offer for your system, is it full replacement or other term? Oh, and last of all; If anyone has pictures that would be great. I've only seen a DSS system installed, would be graeat to see some of the others.
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I down in Ft Worth installing my GForce right now. We just finished getting everything bolted back up axles, center section. Now time to drop the tranny and install the McLeod, then finish with the brand new design aluminum driveshaft.

Chris from Gforce drove down from Wichita for the install and he is taking lots of pics for a couple magazine write-ups to follow.

So far the install is all plug and play. If anything, the cat back may have to be modded slightly but from eyeballing the housing and comparing it to the OE housing, i think the exhaust may fit fine? I went with the Strange S-trac 35 spline pumpkin with 3.50 gears. I have a bunch of pics but wont be able to post up till tomorrow or so.
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I down in Ft Worth installing my GForce right now. We just finished getting everything bolted back up axles, center section. Now time to drop the tranny and install the McLeod, then finish with the brand new design aluminum driveshaft.

Chris from Gforce drove down from Wichita for the install and he is taking lots of pics for a couple magazine write-ups to follow.

So far the install is all plug and play. If anything, the cat back may have to be modded slightly but from eyeballing the housing and comparing it to the OE housing, i think the exhaust may fit fine? I went with the Strange S-trac 35 spline pumpkin with 3.50 gears. I have a bunch of pics but wont be able to post up till tomorrow or so.
I'd love to see those pics when you have an opportunity. Much appreciated. That's very impressive that a representative drove up there to help you with the install.
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Thank you for including us as one of your choices.The Hendrix,DSS and LPE units as well as the upcoming Hammerhead unit reley on DSS for the axles and drive shafts for one reason,Frank knows more about cvs than anyone on the planet and has a new state of the art driveshaft balancer that is one of a kind and we continue to use his vast knowledge to build us what every we ask for.We have a few guys in canada that will be installing our 9 inch kitt in the next few weeks,if you will send me your general area maybe you can swing buy one of them and check it out first hand.The Hendrix/DSS kitt takes no mods to bolt in and looks factory once installed,i have over 25,000 miles on mine and its been great.You will have the option of going to bigger spline stubs ,just make sure you have the axle to take advantage .The Hendrix/LPE/DSS/Hammerhead axles are 30 spline,you need that for the heavy Camaro ,a 40 spline stub doesnt do much good if you have a 25 spline axle.We have a great following and have helped every GTO record holder reach his goals including the only 3 8 second GTOs as well as both 6 speed record holders,all using our products making simular power to your build.We are around 7 days a week,20 or so hours a day,if you have any questions give me a call anytime and ill be glad to go over a few key points,thanks again for including Hendrix-Engineering
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Thank you for including us as one of your choices.The Hendrix,DSS and LPE units as well as the upcoming Hammerhead unit reley on DSS for the axles and drive shafts for one reason,Frank knows more about cvs than anyone on the planet and has a new state of the art driveshaft balancer that is one of a kind and we continue to use his vast knowledge to build us what every we ask for.We have a few guys in canada that will be installing our 9 inch kitt in the next few weeks,if you will send me your general area maybe you can swing buy one of them and check it out first hand.The Hendrix/DSS kitt takes no mods to bolt in and looks factory once installed,i have over 25,000 miles on mine and its been great.You will have the option of going to bigger spline stubs ,just make sure you have the axle to take advantage .The Hendrix/LPE/DSS/Hammerhead axles are 30 spline,you need that for the heavy Camaro ,a 40 spline stub doesnt do much good if you have a 25 spline axle.We have a great following and have helped every GTO record holder reach his goals including the only 3 8 second GTOs as well as both 6 speed record holders,all using our products making simular power to your build.We are around 7 days a week,20 or so hours a day,if you have any questions give me a call anytime and ill be glad to go over a few key points,thanks again for including Hendrix-Engineering
You can PM me on the locations of those shops installing the product, if any are local I'd be thrilled to pop by and take a look at the vehicle, and if

I appreciate your feedback much appreciated. Do you have a link with the specifics of your system? I recall looking at your site but, if I recall I may not have found everything I wanted (options, et al), feel free to send in a PM as well. I generally like to find out as much as possible, jot down questions and then at that point do final Q&A and then go from there.
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You can PM me on the locations of those shops installing the product, if any are local I'd be thrilled to pop by and take a look at the vehicle, and if

I appreciate your feedback much appreciated. Do you have a link with the specifics of your system? I recall looking at your site but, if I recall I may not have found everything I wanted (options, et al), feel free to send in a PM as well. I generally like to find out as much as possible, jot down questions and then at that point do final Q&A and then go from there.
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Not everybody does. Not trying to be difficult but this stuff is expensive, don't want to do it twice because I went with popularity. So, many thanks.
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No problem,we really love people that look at what there getting,not the wrapings. Its your hard earned money and we feel we have the best value by far,pm on the way.
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I'll be posting up BullF-16's 9" install probably tomorrow.
One guy took the old parts off and installed the 9" kit in about 4 hours.
Our kit bolts right up with a Strange Pro-Iron pumpkin with no modifications.

Give me a call and I can explain a few things like why we use 28 spline cv joints and axles (for strength) and how we fabricate everything here in house.

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I'll be posting up BullF-16's 9" install probably tomorrow.
One guy took the old parts off and installed the 9" kit in about 4 hours.
Our kit bolts right up with a Strange Pro-Iron pumpkin with no modifications.

Give me a call and I can explain a few things like why we use 28 spline cv joints and axles (for strength) and how we fabricate everything here in house.

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Chris, I've been communicating with BullF-16 and he's very impressed with your setup for sure.
I'd like the details, but would also like to understand more about the outlaw setup too. If you have something you could PM me that I can review that would be great. 1800hp is impressive for sure.
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Im sure if you give the thread a little time you will find that most of the fast cars are using our 9" kit, the reason for using the 30 spline axles was not a gimmick like some have said. Its what was needed. we have quite a few years of experience with this issue and found that the 28 spline axle was just not large enough. Ask Lingenfelter how they did with a 28 spline bar or maybe ask Mark Carlyle how his Vette ran 7.75 with our larger axles. its what needed in a heavy muscle car and only time will tell why, there is a reason all the fast cars have our kit. ask a few that have had the kit for a while. there are cars here on the board running both.

if your running a manual or a trans brake car its going to need the best available, that being said Lingenfelter will not post here but don't disregard there 9.5 its an excellent unit and has the numbers to back it up (also the 30 spline axles)

what gear ratio are you going with and whats the top MPH you hope the car to run, these questions should be asked to make sure you get the correct set up.


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Some additional information to help you guys with requirements short and long term.

In terms of speed it's really hard to say, I'm not a pro racer nor have any plans to be, but I'm a driver and plan to spend plenty of time over summer months on the track a drag and road course (I like both), I may even travel a bit to do some circle track. I want to drive the car hard into 7k/rpm. no issues with engine on that.

Basically, can't speak to speed numbers. However, the estimate is my vehicle will be capable of huge power beyond 1000+rwhp., I've been told lots of time was put into the planning and building of the engine so it's estimated to be capable of around 1400-1500hp. Short term we'll run it at about 780rwhp., but in the future we'll be pulling the SC for a bigger one, and using other tech to switch tunes based on type of driving.

Gearing not sure yet but either for sure 4.10+ (M6 lots of gear in 5th. and 6th.), need to find the right balance for both types of driving so that's still in the air (remember not being built specifically to be a dragster).

I'm not overly concerned about price. But, I want to do it once the right way so would rather overbuild than to underbuild and something breaks.because I didn't spend a few extra $. Feel free to PM if you have other questions. I know for sure I will.
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Calbert, My husband and I both installed the DSS 9 inch rearend in our LPE 650 cars. We did the install ourselves and it was very straight forward, and does not require modification to your car. We are not quite at your power level, but I have MORE than put it through rigorous testing At CFest 2 I did the roadcourse and the drag strip. I have taken it to our local drag strip a couple times also, and I take it almost every 2 weeks to our local roadcourse (weather permitting). Here is a link to our install thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...version+LPE650 and here is a picture of it installed in my car.


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Calbert, My husband and I both installed the DSS 9 inch rearend in our LPE 650 cars. We did the install ourselves and it was very straight forward, and does not require modification to your car. We are not quite at your power level, but I have MORE than put it through rigorous testing At CFest 2 I did the roadcourse and the drag strip. I have taken it to our local drag strip a couple times also, and I take it almost every 2 weeks to our local roadcourse (weather permitting). Here is a link to our install thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...version+LPE650 and here is a picture of it installed in my car.
That piece looks awesome and huge, and very clean look too. I also noticed the bottom of the vehicle appears stock looking (heat shields were not removed). Which DS did you decide on?
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The Driveshaft Shop has put together some of the best drive-line components for the fastest street and race cars! We have used Frank for many in-house projects including our ECS IRS 9" C5/C6 Corvette Conversion Kit, featured in the world's fastest supercharged C6Z06 (1.27 60' / 1/4 mile - 8.57 @ 158mph ). We use Frank exclusively for Gen V Camaro's.

After we grenaded a stock rearend on the fifth pass we turned to Frank & crew for the solution. He rushed us out a custom made 4" aluminum driveshaft with his entire 9" conversion kit including the 31spline True-Trac posi with 3.70 gears!

We are cutting consistent 1.4x's in a FULL weight (4118lbs - Best 1.41 60') 2011 Camaro on 18" drag radials with stock 20" rims up front. Last night the track prep was terrible and we still cut out a 1.47 60' off the foot-brake.

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Chris, I've been communicating with BullF-16 and he's very impressed with your setup for sure.
I'd like the details, but would also like to understand more about the outlaw setup too. If you have something you could PM me that I can review that would be great. 1800hp is impressive for sure.
BullF-16's 9" install went very smooth, drives great.. He is a very happy camper.

Our Outlaw set up uses larger 33 spline cv joints, not just re-broached standard cv joints.
We then machine matching 33 spline axles that are darn near 1 1/2" diameter the entire length of the axle.
I wouldn't even consider the outlaws unless your planning on making 1300+ hp, we have our standard 300m axles in cars putting down well over 1300hp.

You might PM Speedster about his Outlaw set up, he put down some crazy #'s with the Nelson twin turbo engine.

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I will chime in with our opinion and that agrees with the other reputable shops on this site. Stick with DSS and you will not regret it. Not only are their products proven they are tested beyond what any of us will ever put a car through before they ever leave the shop. Combine that with some of the best customer service I have EVER seen in this business, and I have been dong this for 11 years, and you have a recipe for the perfect combination.

Frank at DSS is one of the most knowledgable drivetrain guys in the business and will answer any questions you have and guide you down the right path.

We have had some HORRIBLE experiences with competing products that a customer installed in his own car. They were not tested before they left the manufacturer and caused serious damage.

We use DSS products exclusively on our cars and all our builds. We only offer warranty for their products because we know their stuff works, fits perfect and their service backs up their products.

If you want a guaranteed products with ZERO problems look no further than DSS

For our latest 9sec build we decided to go with the LPE 9.5" rear with all DSS components for axles and driveshaft. This was a decision we made with the customer.

ECS, Torq, Lingenfelter, RPM Transmissions and many other major companies use DSS for good reason
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That piece looks awesome and huge, and very clean look too. I also noticed the bottom of the vehicle appears stock looking (heat shields were not removed). Which DS did you decide on?
Thanks Calbert! I did not remove the heat shields but after my last outing at the road course the nut that holds it in place came loose and it was rattling slightly so I am going to just take it off at this point. Initially I had the 2 piece aluminum shaft, but then I decided to upgrade to the one piece carbon fiber, and I LOVE it! It is soooo smooth and unbelievably quiet. I have the 3.90 gears which are great on the roadcourse and on the highway, but difficult to make stick at the drag strip on drag radials, so really consider how you plan to use your car if you choose the 4.10s I had the 3.70s when my car came back from Lingenfelter and that was a great gear for this car also. I think overall I am glad I did the 3.90s since I love the road course, but I can't imagine the 4.10s especially with your power, unless you are going with all out slicks at the drag strip. Can't wait to see what you come up with!


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I absolutely LOVE it, and I've had no problems whatsoever. A huge thanks to you and your shop. Darren's still considering upgrading his to the Carbon, but with our move, he just hasn't had much time to think about it.
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I DIYed my DSS 9in kit, and Frank was great to work with. He took plenty of time to answer all my questions. I have had my kit for over a year, and have put plenty of passes on it. Just traded driveshafts and will be hammering on it with the 4l80.
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BullF-16's 9" install went very smooth, drives great.. He is a very happy camper.

Our Outlaw set up uses larger 33 spline cv joints, not just re-broached standard cv joints.
We then machine matching 33 spline axles that are darn near 1 1/2" diameter the entire length of the axle.
I wouldn't even consider the outlaws unless your planning on making 1300+ hp, we have our standard 300m axles in cars putting down well over 1300hp.

You might PM Speedster about his Outlaw set up, he put down some crazy #'s with the Nelson twin turbo engine.

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You never know, the word is the engine can make 1400-1500+hp. I am aware that your kits are on NRE builds also.
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BullF-16's 9" install went very smooth, drives great.. He is a very happy camper.

Our Outlaw set up uses larger 33 spline cv joints, not just re-broached standard cv joints.
We then machine matching 33 spline axles that are darn near 1 1/2" diameter the entire length of the axle.
I wouldn't even consider the outlaws unless your planning on making 1300+ hp, we have our standard 300m axles in cars putting down well over 1300hp.

You might PM Speedster about his Outlaw set up, he put down some crazy #'s with the Nelson twin turbo engine.

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