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Old 02-22-2012, 07:03 PM   #57
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...with TF3-type broad stripes, eminating from the Leno-look hood vents...think of them as wide-set ZEE stripes...ZEE-specific...

I'm sure the GM Design folks can finish up this thought...right over the trunk, too... Model-specific, seen from miles away... "Here comes/rrrrrumble/there goes a ZEE!"
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:19 PM   #58
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Janet, since we seek a "hot"-engined naturally aspirated version, Ram Air would be helpful in making horsepower. Heat extraction would be helpful in maintaining horsepower.

To my knowledge, NO ONE has amalgamated these two well-received Camaro hood designs into ONE appropriate-for-this-version hood.

Yes, please!

In fact, the Leno-look facia (with ZL1-style splitter) and rear 1/4 scoops would be greatly (and gratefully!) accepted, as well...

The Bee Hood on the yellow pick is my FAVE of all time.

Janet.. I don't think anyone has said it yet, but I would WANT it to remain a V8 and NOT a V6 TT.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:32 PM   #59
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Everyone, don't hammer me since talking power and such on this thread. But after some long trips, looking for extra human comfort

Hi Janet

-unless this was 2010 year only, I apologize ....but a simple interior feature that many I'm sure take for granted, small lights within the garage door buttons? (the sunroof buttons have them)

-when shifting, hit the cans/cups when in the cup holders, consider deeper, probably will need to have usual size in lower section, but wider at top to access, possible for driver cup holder in door.

-seats with a/c feature

-seen another car (the F brand) with neat flush with-in glass outside mirrors with wide angle-convex mirror
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:46 PM   #60
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...with TF3-type broad stripes, eminating from the Leno-look hood vents...think of them as wide-set ZEE stripes...ZEE-specific...

I'm sure the GM Design folks can finish up this thought...right over the trunk, too... Model-specific, seen from miles away... "Here comes/rrrrrumble/there goes a ZEE!"
Stripes up and OVER the rear spoiler!!
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:15 AM   #61
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Sorry, folks, for being so wishy-washy. I guess I should spend a lil more time carefully studying the possibilities and implications and feasibility of a gen-oo-ine ZEE...
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I am really liking the thought of continuing with MRC technology. However, in a Z-28 application, one should consider the amount of PTM/TC setting levels to be more mission specific. The ZL1, a marvel by any comparrison, provides a few too many settings on the PTM for a Z-28 IMHO. Use a more dedicated set of spring rates and valving ratios for road racing. This of course will make the car a bit more harsh in ride comfort. But, comfort, even by todays standards and expectations, is a tradeoff for performance. We are talking Z-28 here. Z-28, it's The Face of the Camaro, the moniker of a Legend. We should consider trading off some creature comforts and the one size fits all consumer design policies. Tailor it in a dedicated fashion that revisits it's roots of the Trans Am road race series in 1969 when it was driven by Mark Donahue. Camshaft specs on intake and exhaust lift/duration and associated valvetrain components should be increased to wind up the motor RPM to the limitations of the stock L92 heads. They have 330 CC intake runners which appear to be able to breath at a much higher level than they are currently operating at. Design the cam profile to within a few hundreths PPM of what the EPA will allow on the HC and CO2 levels. The bottom end is already balanced, the cylinders are deck honed, so that is no issue to be able to spin the reciprocating mass at a much higher level for road racing purposes. Engine noise, piston rock and "slap", lumpy idle/engine rock due to valve overlap or other ergonomic driver comfort considerations should not be taken into account. Exhaust should be free flowing and unrestricted as much as Federal decibel levels go. GM IMHO should make a concerted effort to tailor the exhaust manifolds, cats, exhaust pipes and mufflers in a balanced, tuned complete system. Dyno the motor with a set of GM designed headers that meet Federal regs to work with the cat's to maximize the horsepower gains through the new camshaft and valvetrain. The thoughts I proposed on the engine here in this post I would carry over to the LSA as well. That motor, a handsome, well crafted power plant, clearly IMHO was designed to be very gentle and tame for the Cadillac until you stand on it and get to about 3,000 RPMs. Smooth idle, little overlap, duration, and less than ambitious intake/exhaust lift specs. No engine noise....quiet and unassuming. Same L92 cylinder heads at the LS3 and LS9 (LS9 are CNC'd, and have more aggressive vavletrain)...LSA needs to be cammed and woken up.

That's shooting for the Moon...but we are not reinventing the wheel either....a guy can wish can't he???
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:48 PM   #63
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Starting at 40-42K range without the leather seats and electronic goodies.


Low 40s$$ please so start with the 1SS. If we can have the 1LE for that perfect. Give us a few options if that is possible, but just all the good hardware if we do not. After reading about the perfomance on the race track of the ZL1 from more than one source the I have changed my mind on the MRC. I now want it. So much engineering went into the ZL1 and we get no understeer, and not sure, but I think no wheelhop. Yes?

I do not think it makes any sense to design yet another suspension.

Also I want the beefy rear and transmission. The ZL1 brakes are keepers too.

I am not sold on the LS7. Just not worth the extra $$. With just a few bolt-ons the LS3 can make LS7 power. The LS3 is fine with me. I can dial in the power I want with $$ or not. The ZL1 chassis setup can accept much more power if I go that way.

And think about this, in the one test I have seen so far of the ZL1 versus the dreaded Boss, the comment was: The ZL1 carried more speed in the corners than the Boss and the brakes were better.

Why engineer another suspension? What more does anyone want? I want that.

To me the 1LE/Z28 is all about balance not HP. It sounds to me like a LS3 1LE will be able to run with a Boss at the track with curves if you learn how to drive. It will lose at the drags to a good driver with the Boss but who cares.

If you can give us the ZL1 goodies and a 427 sized engine for low 40s $$ great! But if the car creeps up to $50K I would rather have a ZL1. It will hold its value better and I will not have to touch it to have fun. And it will probably be faster than the 1LE/Z28 at the track and at the drags.

One more thing, spiff up the interior with some flash please! Give us a better countoured seat to hold us in place around the curves. Cover it with a high quality cloth with a colored insert like the IOM interior.

Also do something flashy with the shiny side panels and the shiny strip around the dash. I have a black interiored 2ss and boring is the word that makes me think of that interior. When I get into whatever it is called I want the interior to ramp up the excitement.

So in summary, give us the best sport Camaro you can at the low 40s price point. And don't forget to look at more sporty (cloth) seats.
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Thanks, got this group of ideas. Waiting for more.
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One more, move the back up lights from the rear fascia down lower to the rear difusser or next to the license plate area.
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:27 AM   #66
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One more, move the back up lights from the rear fascia down lower to the rear difusser or next to the license plate area.
Have you seen the Euro rearend for the Camaro? IMO much nicer and cleaner! I'd love to see this starting on the 2013's.
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I love the looks of the Leno car and would like to see the Z28 with the LS7 or high reving modified LS3. I prefer the mag suspension over coilovers because it offers a great balance between street and track. I'm sure I'll have to lower it regarless but I like the idea of changing the settings with the push of a button. Some people argue that MR isn't race legal but those who need to worry about that are probably swapping out the stock Z28 coilovers for something like pedders supercar coilovers and thick monster sway bars. I also like everything that will reduce weight such as 2-piece rotors, racing seats, carbon fiber, etc.
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Have you seen the Euro rearend for the Camaro? IMO much nicer and cleaner! I'd love to see this starting on the 2013's.
I am not a fan of the 80's sunglasses tail lights.
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I love the looks of the Leno car and would like to see the Z28 with the LS7 or high reving modified LS3. I prefer the mag suspension over coilovers because it offers a great balance between street and track. I'm sure I'll have to lower it regarless but I like the idea of changing the settings with the push of a button. Some people argue that MR isn't race legal but those who need to worry about that are probably swapping out the stock Z28 coilovers for something like pedders supercar coilovers and thick monster sway bars. I also like everything that will reduce weight such as 2-piece rotors, racing seats, carbon fiber, etc.
Most of us who don't want MRC, would like pedders coilovers from the factory.
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