What's your deal breaker? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

LSxcellent · 11-16-2007, 08:46 AM

So I think it can be safely said that all of us are pretty excited about the new Camaro... but none of us have actually bought one yet.

Is there anything about the new Camaro, that if it were wrong, would turn you off to the whole deal? Is there anything that would break the deal entirely?

I'm sure we can agree that cost is a major deal breaker...

Personally, there aren't too many things that would kill my interest... except:

(1) If the Camaro is WAY to heavy (4200lbs+)
(2) If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8)
(3) If I can't get the SS WITHOUT all the luxury features... (also plays into cost).

How about you?

~LSx

$¢'s 5th Gen · 11-16-2007, 08:56 AM

1) If, during my test drive, I get beat by a Mustang

2) Price of course, other than that if anyhting maybe just delayed a bit.
A) Due to trade in value vs payoff, of my trade in
B) color options,
C) engine options.

The_Stache · 11-16-2007, 09:03 AM

I want an equivilent to the mustang at the GT trim level, at the GT price.

If not its mustang for me, becuase the challenger is to much of a limited production vehicle.

Emher · 11-16-2007, 09:09 AM

If I think the car is crap while I test drive it. That's about it. But I doubt that will happen.

Jak · 11-16-2007, 09:21 AM

I'm gonna have to go along with price. If by some freak of nature it turns out to be priced in the range of the challenger then I'd go mustang, but I seriously doubt it will be much more then the stang, it'd defeat the whole purpose of bringing the Camaro back.

stovt001 · 11-16-2007, 09:26 AM

price for sure. I'll be fresh out of college, paying of college loans, making bottom edge salary for my field (a well paying field, but still the bottom edge of that) and my Cobalt will probably have pretty low trade-in value at that point, so cost is a big, big concern.

lonestar_z28 · 11-16-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LSxcellent

So I think it can be safely said that all of us are pretty excited about the new Camaro... but none of us have actually bought one yet.

Is there anything about the new Camaro, that if it were wrong, would turn you off to the whole deal? Is there anything that would break the deal entirely?

I'm sure we can agree that cost is a major deal breaker...

Personally, there aren't too many things that would kill my interest... except:

(1) If the Camaro is WAY to heavy (4200lbs+)
(2) If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8)
(3) If I can't get the SS WITHOUT all the luxury features... (also plays into cost).

How about you?

~LSx

I agree so far as the SS without the luxury features, and of course price, but I'm concerned about the Active Fuel Management. I had a miserable experience with the late unlamented Cadillac V-8-6-4 of 1981. Yes I realize that was 26 years ago, yes I understand the computers have come a long way, but I was burned very badly over that. I would greatly appreciate some re-assurance from the more knowledgeable members here on the real world reliability of AFM. It would make this old man feel so much better while dreaming of my SS convertible.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 11-16-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lonestar_z28

I would greatly appreciate some re-assurance from the more knowledgeable members here on the real world reliability of AFM. It would make this old man feel so much better while dreaming of my SS convertible.

Reliability isn't a concern with the current AFM. They've had it in cars for a few years now, and I haven't heard of any problems with it.

And if it were to fail. The cyllinders wouldn't be permanently off, they'd be stuck on, so you'd be running a V8 like normal.

Dealbreaker?
...not really worried about price. We've been reassured enough times by Scott, to know better. I'll have to buy the appropriate model, of course, as aposed to the Super-maro...that I couldn't afford no matter how 'cheap' it was.

Not really worried about power...the LS and coming Gen V engines are too impressive for that to be a concern.

Not worried about styling

Nor comfort, the recent chevy interiors (i.e. Malibu) have assured me that GM knows what they're doing in that dept.

what else?...fuel economy? If I was worrried I wouldn't be buying a V8, but even so: again, the Gen V's and LS's are too impressive.

Nope, can't think of anything...

*TAG UR IT* · 11-16-2007, 11:44 AM

Price. That's the only factor. My only concern is that I won't be able to afford the Camaro that I want. I'm not worried about a single other thing.

EllwynX · 11-16-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Price. That's the only factor. My only concern is that I won't be able to afford the Camaro that I want. I'm not worried about a single other thing.

I 100% agree with Tag. Price would be the only deal breaker for me.

rray200 · 11-16-2007, 01:11 PM

A bad dealership experience, or repeatedly bad dealership experiences would be a deal breaker for me. I have had a few over the past couple of years with Ford, when looking at the Mustang, and BMW, when looking at a 3-series coupe. The arrogant BMW sales staff that I dealt with were so bad, I'll never set foot in any BMW dealership again, even though I like some of their cars.

I trust GM has learned its lesson, from the early '90s and that their dealerships are better. I have one picked out all ready for where I will buy my Camaro. My parents have gotten three cars from there and they've been treated well. I just hope this dealer is the same way in '09.

Emher · 11-16-2007, 01:23 PM

^Good example. I won't go trough my local GM (although Saab and Opel mostly) dealer to get my Camaro since it has turned out that ever time we've turned our Saab in for service they haven't done jack shit with it when a part that's normally would have been changed years ago went down last fall. So I'm driving 45 miles to buy my Camaro instead of half a mile due to shitty service.

*DGthe3* · 11-16-2007, 03:34 PM

I want a car 'comparable' to a mustang in price with 350 hp or more. For me it will be the base V8, no more and no less. I'm sure that the weight will stay under 4000, probably 3700. Styling? If they keep exterior mostly the same I will be happy. I would like to see a bit bigger spoiler on the rear but thats about the only exterior thing that I want to see different. I know the interior will be different, and I really don't care about the inside so long as it covers the basics I'm good

EllwynX · 11-16-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

I know the interior will be different, and I really don't care about the inside so long as it covers the basics I'm good

Nice to know I'm not the only one. The interior is secondary to the exterior to me. Long as it's functional, I'm content.

fiveohh · 11-16-2007, 05:27 PM

If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8) <---That would dissapoint Me!

Jeff · 11-16-2007, 05:43 PM

Considering I'm only going to be 18 in 10 days.. Its price.

UltimateAdam · 11-16-2007, 05:49 PM

I guess like everyone says, if it drives like crap..... or they decide to just remake it to look like a sporty Malibu *COUGH* like the GTO *COUGH*

EllwynX · 11-16-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fiveohh

If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8) <---That would dissapoint Me!

IMO after releasing the concept with 400hp a LOT of fans would be disappointed if it comes with less than that (in the base V8 Mustang GT competitor).

They've set the bar at 400. It shouldn't be any less.

Emher · 11-16-2007, 07:39 PM

^Yeah I'd be very surprised if it is. But hey, after driving around in Saab 9-5 that had 192 hp to start with (probably down a bit now) for several years now even 350 hp will seem like a rocket booster in comparison

swazworth · 11-16-2007, 07:56 PM

deal breaker-> the car looks great on tv and in pics. but if it looks like a plastic toy-> sorry-> i have on of those already. my scion xb 2005. nothing else even worries me.

EllwynX · 11-16-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Emher

^Yeah I'd be very surprised if it is. But hey, after driving around in Saab 9-5 that had 192 hp to start with (probably down a bit now) for several years now even 350 hp will seem like a rocket booster in comparison

True. Going from my 103HamsterPower Aveo to ANYTHING will be a huge difference. LOL

hftech · 11-17-2007, 02:30 AM

I want a 500HP option. :P BUT I'll settle for no less than 350HP. Oh and if they do the interior like that "tiger stripe" crap they have in the 4th gens....I'll still buy it, just change the cloth. Like what I have to do in my Camaro, I HATE the cloth pattern, I just needa find me a leather interior somewhere...

$¢'s 5th Gen · 11-18-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lonestar_z28

but I'm concerned about the Active Fuel Management. I had a miserable experience with the late unlamented Cadillac V-8-6-4 of 1981. Yes I realize that was 26 years ago, yes I understand the computers have come a long way, but I was burned very badly over that. I would greatly appreciate some re-assurance from the more knowledgeable members here on the real world reliability of AFM:

That engine made it on the top 10 worst engines ever. The AFM is proven to work. The trucks/tahoes have them. The Impala SS has it and it tells you when it is engaged (4 and 8 cylinders both). I hope the camaro has the same display option. Definitely not a deal breaker for me though.

Moosen75 · 11-18-2007, 08:47 AM

they price better not be out of the ball park. it would kill me to see the camaro i want priced in a totally different bracket than the mustang. i am sure that the hp rating will be well over 350, so that is not bothering me that much just price for now.

'09-Z28 · 11-18-2007, 11:05 AM

My deal breaker would be if it drives like a big car. When I test drove a Charger R/T, I was sorely dissapointed with how it drove. It had enough HP to be somewhat fast, but it drove like a boat. I want a Camaro that's FAST and AGILE.

11-16-2007, 08:46 AM	#1
LSxcellent Drives: MINI Cooper S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 284	What's your deal breaker? So I think it can be safely said that all of us are pretty excited about the new Camaro... but none of us have actually bought one yet. Is there anything about the new Camaro, that if it were wrong, would turn you off to the whole deal? Is there anything that would break the deal entirely? I'm sure we can agree that cost is a major deal breaker... Personally, there aren't too many things that would kill my interest... except: (1) If the Camaro is WAY to heavy (4200lbs+) (2) If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8) (3) If I can't get the SS WITHOUT all the luxury features... (also plays into cost). How about you? ~LSx __________________ "When you turn your car on, does it return the favor?"

11-16-2007, 08:56 AM	#2
$¢'s 5th Gen Drives: SUV & Chaparral Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 101	1) If, during my test drive, I get beat by a Mustang 2) Price of course, other than that if anyhting maybe just delayed a bit. A) Due to trade in value vs payoff, of my trade in B) color options, C) engine options. Last edited by $¢'s 5th Gen; 11-19-2007 at 01:29 PM.

11-16-2007, 09:03 AM	#3
The_Stache SoCal Race Team #13 Drives: 2010 1SS:RS:LS3:SW Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,628 View My Garage	I want an equivilent to the mustang at the GT trim level, at the GT price. If not its mustang for me, becuase the challenger is to much of a limited production vehicle. __________________ A.K.A - Diarmadhi (old handle) - So much to do.. So little money

11-16-2007, 09:09 AM	#4
Emher Pillaging Viking Drives: Saab 9-5 '99 (Hey it's a GM!) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,205	If I think the car is crap while I test drive it. That's about it. But I doubt that will happen. __________________ "Fifty years from now, when you're looking back at your life, don't you want to be able to say you had the guts to get in the car?"

11-16-2007, 11:44 AM	#9
TAG UR IT www.Camaro5store.com Drives: THRSS #2 / CGM#1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 24,397 View My Garage	Price. That's the only factor. My only concern is that I won't be able to afford the Camaro that I want. I'm not worried about a single other thing. __________________

11-16-2007, 09:21 AM	#5
Jak Drives: 03 Dodge Dakota Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 627	I'm gonna have to go along with price. If by some freak of nature it turns out to be priced in the range of the challenger then I'd go mustang, but I seriously doubt it will be much more then the stang, it'd defeat the whole purpose of bringing the Camaro back.

11-16-2007, 09:26 AM	#6
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,817	price for sure. I'll be fresh out of college, paying of college loans, making bottom edge salary for my field (a well paying field, but still the bottom edge of that) and my Cobalt will probably have pretty low trade-in value at that point, so cost is a big, big concern.

11-16-2007, 01:11 PM	#11
rray200 Drives: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Trac Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 287	A bad dealership experience, or repeatedly bad dealership experiences would be a deal breaker for me. I have had a few over the past couple of years with Ford, when looking at the Mustang, and BMW, when looking at a 3-series coupe. The arrogant BMW sales staff that I dealt with were so bad, I'll never set foot in any BMW dealership again, even though I like some of their cars. I trust GM has learned its lesson, from the early '90s and that their dealerships are better. I have one picked out all ready for where I will buy my Camaro. My parents have gotten three cars from there and they've been treated well. I just hope this dealer is the same way in '09.

11-16-2007, 01:23 PM	#12
Emher Pillaging Viking Drives: Saab 9-5 '99 (Hey it's a GM!) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,205	^Good example. I won't go trough my local GM (although Saab and Opel mostly) dealer to get my Camaro since it has turned out that ever time we've turned our Saab in for service they haven't done jack shit with it when a part that's normally would have been changed years ago went down last fall. So I'm driving 45 miles to buy my Camaro instead of half a mile due to shitty service. __________________ "Fifty years from now, when you're looking back at your life, don't you want to be able to say you had the guts to get in the car?"

11-16-2007, 03:34 PM	#13
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 20,707	I want a car 'comparable' to a mustang in price with 350 hp or more. For me it will be the base V8, no more and no less. I'm sure that the weight will stay under 4000, probably 3700. Styling? If they keep exterior mostly the same I will be happy. I would like to see a bit bigger spoiler on the rear but thats about the only exterior thing that I want to see different. I know the interior will be different, and I really don't care about the inside so long as it covers the basics I'm good __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Quote: In 2014 the camaro will have ... a twin turbo v6 ... around 350 to 360HP No. Let me repeat that. No. FbodFather __________________ Camaro5 Fest III Information Camaro5 Fest III pre-registration

11-16-2007, 05:27 PM	#15
fiveohh Drives: stratus Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Salisbury Md Posts: 13	If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8) <---That would dissapoint Me!

11-16-2007, 05:43 PM	#16
Jeff ~ANTI-FORD~ Drives: Cadillac CTS Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 608	Considering I'm only going to be 18 in 10 days.. Its price. __________________ My Z28 sorry guys.. sold Camaro and got a Cadillac CTS, waiting for a few years to get a 2010 SS used ;]

11-16-2007, 05:49 PM	#17
UltimateAdam Drives: 1998 Pontiac Firebird Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 64	I guess like everyone says, if it drives like crap..... or they decide to just remake it to look like a sporty Malibu COUGH like the GTO COUGH

11-16-2007, 07:39 PM	#19
Emher Pillaging Viking Drives: Saab 9-5 '99 (Hey it's a GM!) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,205	^Yeah I'd be very surprised if it is. But hey, after driving around in Saab 9-5 that had 192 hp to start with (probably down a bit now) for several years now even 350 hp will seem like a rocket booster in comparison __________________ "Fifty years from now, when you're looking back at your life, don't you want to be able to say you had the guts to get in the car?"

11-16-2007, 07:56 PM	#20
swazworth the nerd king Drives: 2005 scion xb... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: phoenix, az Posts: 428	deal breaker-> the car looks great on tv and in pics. but if it looks like a plastic toy-> sorry-> i have on of those already. my scion xb 2005. nothing else even worries me.

11-17-2007, 02:30 AM	#22
hftech Drives: 2000 Chevy Camaro Z28! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hampton VA Posts: 122	I want a 500HP option. :P BUT I'll settle for no less than 350HP. Oh and if they do the interior like that "tiger stripe" crap they have in the 4th gens....I'll still buy it, just change the cloth. Like what I have to do in my Camaro, I HATE the cloth pattern, I just needa find me a leather interior somewhere...

11-18-2007, 08:47 AM	#24
Moosen75 Drives: Junk til 2008 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Philadelphia, Pa Posts: 173	they price better not be out of the ball park. it would kill me to see the camaro i want priced in a totally different bracket than the mustang. i am sure that the hp rating will be well over 350, so that is not bothering me that much just price for now.

11-18-2007, 11:05 AM	#25
'09-Z28 Drives: '03 Mazda 6s Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35 View My Garage	My deal breaker would be if it drives like a big car. When I test drove a Charger R/T, I was sorely dissapointed with how it drove. It had enough HP to be somewhat fast, but it drove like a boat. I want a Camaro that's FAST and AGILE.