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Old 11-16-2007, 08:46 AM   #1
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What's your deal breaker?

So I think it can be safely said that all of us are pretty excited about the new Camaro... but none of us have actually bought one yet.

Is there anything about the new Camaro, that if it were wrong, would turn you off to the whole deal? Is there anything that would break the deal entirely?

I'm sure we can agree that cost is a major deal breaker...

Personally, there aren't too many things that would kill my interest... except:

(1) If the Camaro is WAY to heavy (4200lbs+)
(2) If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8)
(3) If I can't get the SS WITHOUT all the luxury features... (also plays into cost).

How about you?

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Old 11-16-2007, 08:56 AM   #2
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1) If, during my test drive, I get beat by a Mustang

2) Price of course, other than that if anyhting maybe just delayed a bit.
A) Due to trade in value vs payoff, of my trade in
B) color options,
C) engine options.

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Old 11-16-2007, 09:03 AM   #3
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I want an equivilent to the mustang at the GT trim level, at the GT price.

If not its mustang for me, becuase the challenger is to much of a limited production vehicle.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:09 AM   #4
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If I think the car is crap while I test drive it. That's about it. But I doubt that will happen.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:21 AM   #5
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I'm gonna have to go along with price. If by some freak of nature it turns out to be priced in the range of the challenger then I'd go mustang, but I seriously doubt it will be much more then the stang, it'd defeat the whole purpose of bringing the Camaro back.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:26 AM   #6
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price for sure. I'll be fresh out of college, paying of college loans, making bottom edge salary for my field (a well paying field, but still the bottom edge of that) and my Cobalt will probably have pretty low trade-in value at that point, so cost is a big, big concern.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:29 AM   #7
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So I think it can be safely said that all of us are pretty excited about the new Camaro... but none of us have actually bought one yet.

Is there anything about the new Camaro, that if it were wrong, would turn you off to the whole deal? Is there anything that would break the deal entirely?

I'm sure we can agree that cost is a major deal breaker...

Personally, there aren't too many things that would kill my interest... except:

(1) If the Camaro is WAY to heavy (4200lbs+)
(2) If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8)
(3) If I can't get the SS WITHOUT all the luxury features... (also plays into cost).

How about you?

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I agree so far as the SS without the luxury features, and of course price, but I'm concerned about the Active Fuel Management. I had a miserable experience with the late unlamented Cadillac V-8-6-4 of 1981. Yes I realize that was 26 years ago, yes I understand the computers have come a long way, but I was burned very badly over that. I would greatly appreciate some re-assurance from the more knowledgeable members here on the real world reliability of AFM. It would make this old man feel so much better while dreaming of my SS convertible.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:44 AM   #8
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I would greatly appreciate some re-assurance from the more knowledgeable members here on the real world reliability of AFM. It would make this old man feel so much better while dreaming of my SS convertible.
Reliability isn't a concern with the current AFM. They've had it in cars for a few years now, and I haven't heard of any problems with it.

And if it were to fail. The cyllinders wouldn't be permanently off, they'd be stuck on, so you'd be running a V8 like normal.


Dealbreaker?
...not really worried about price. We've been reassured enough times by Scott, to know better. I'll have to buy the appropriate model, of course, as aposed to the Super-maro...that I couldn't afford no matter how 'cheap' it was.

Not really worried about power...the LS and coming Gen V engines are too impressive for that to be a concern.

Not worried about styling

Nor comfort, the recent chevy interiors (i.e. Malibu) have assured me that GM knows what they're doing in that dept.

what else?...fuel economy? If I was worrried I wouldn't be buying a V8, but even so: again, the Gen V's and LS's are too impressive.

Nope, can't think of anything...
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:44 AM   #9
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Price. That's the only factor. My only concern is that I won't be able to afford the Camaro that I want. I'm not worried about a single other thing.
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Price. That's the only factor. My only concern is that I won't be able to afford the Camaro that I want. I'm not worried about a single other thing.
I 100% agree with Tag. Price would be the only deal breaker for me.
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:11 PM   #11
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A bad dealership experience, or repeatedly bad dealership experiences would be a deal breaker for me. I have had a few over the past couple of years with Ford, when looking at the Mustang, and BMW, when looking at a 3-series coupe. The arrogant BMW sales staff that I dealt with were so bad, I'll never set foot in any BMW dealership again, even though I like some of their cars.

I trust GM has learned its lesson, from the early '90s and that their dealerships are better. I have one picked out all ready for where I will buy my Camaro. My parents have gotten three cars from there and they've been treated well. I just hope this dealer is the same way in '09.
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:23 PM   #12
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^Good example. I won't go trough my local GM (although Saab and Opel mostly) dealer to get my Camaro since it has turned out that ever time we've turned our Saab in for service they haven't done jack shit with it when a part that's normally would have been changed years ago went down last fall. So I'm driving 45 miles to buy my Camaro instead of half a mile due to shitty service.
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Old 11-16-2007, 03:34 PM   #13
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I want a car 'comparable' to a mustang in price with 350 hp or more. For me it will be the base V8, no more and no less. I'm sure that the weight will stay under 4000, probably 3700. Styling? If they keep exterior mostly the same I will be happy. I would like to see a bit bigger spoiler on the rear but thats about the only exterior thing that I want to see different. I know the interior will be different, and I really don't care about the inside so long as it covers the basics I'm good
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Old 11-16-2007, 04:05 PM   #14
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I know the interior will be different, and I really don't care about the inside so long as it covers the basics I'm good
Nice to know I'm not the only one. The interior is secondary to the exterior to me. Long as it's functional, I'm content.
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:27 PM   #15
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If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8) <---That would dissapoint Me!
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:43 PM   #16
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Considering I'm only going to be 18 in 10 days.. Its price.
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:49 PM   #17
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I guess like everyone says, if it drives like crap..... or they decide to just remake it to look like a sporty Malibu *COUGH* like the GTO *COUGH*
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:43 PM   #18
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If the Camaro is underpowered (350hp- for the hi-po V8) <---That would dissapoint Me!
IMO after releasing the concept with 400hp a LOT of fans would be disappointed if it comes with less than that (in the base V8 Mustang GT competitor).

They've set the bar at 400. It shouldn't be any less.
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:39 PM   #19
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^Yeah I'd be very surprised if it is. But hey, after driving around in Saab 9-5 that had 192 hp to start with (probably down a bit now) for several years now even 350 hp will seem like a rocket booster in comparison
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:56 PM   #20
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deal breaker-> the car looks great on tv and in pics. but if it looks like a plastic toy-> sorry-> i have on of those already. my scion xb 2005. nothing else even worries me.
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^Yeah I'd be very surprised if it is. But hey, after driving around in Saab 9-5 that had 192 hp to start with (probably down a bit now) for several years now even 350 hp will seem like a rocket booster in comparison
True. Going from my 103HamsterPower Aveo to ANYTHING will be a huge difference. LOL
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Old 11-17-2007, 02:30 AM   #22
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I want a 500HP option. :P BUT I'll settle for no less than 350HP. Oh and if they do the interior like that "tiger stripe" crap they have in the 4th gens....I'll still buy it, just change the cloth. Like what I have to do in my Camaro, I HATE the cloth pattern, I just needa find me a leather interior somewhere...
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:49 AM   #23
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but I'm concerned about the Active Fuel Management. I had a miserable experience with the late unlamented Cadillac V-8-6-4 of 1981. Yes I realize that was 26 years ago, yes I understand the computers have come a long way, but I was burned very badly over that. I would greatly appreciate some re-assurance from the more knowledgeable members here on the real world reliability of AFM:
That engine made it on the top 10 worst engines ever. The AFM is proven to work. The trucks/tahoes have them. The Impala SS has it and it tells you when it is engaged (4 and 8 cylinders both). I hope the camaro has the same display option. Definitely not a deal breaker for me though.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:47 AM   #24
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they price better not be out of the ball park. it would kill me to see the camaro i want priced in a totally different bracket than the mustang. i am sure that the hp rating will be well over 350, so that is not bothering me that much just price for now.
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Old 11-18-2007, 11:05 AM   #25
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My deal breaker would be if it drives like a big car. When I test drove a Charger R/T, I was sorely dissapointed with how it drove. It had enough HP to be somewhat fast, but it drove like a boat. I want a Camaro that's FAST and AGILE.
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