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Old 02-23-2012, 12:08 PM   #1
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New to M6: my nightmare

I got a super-low mileage 2010 2SS LS3 a month ago. Love the car; it's awesome. Still "perfecting" my technique using the manual though, I'll be the first to admit.
This is my nightmare, which hasn't really happened yet but will eventually: I'm driving in stop and go, backed-up traffic and have to stop, several cars back, at a light on a decent incline. What the heck is the best way to handle inching forward a little at a time when traffic moves a little without burning up the clutch or stalling it or lurching forward too fast, etc? Am I the only one that dreads these kinds of situations with the M6 and isn't very good at them?
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:11 PM   #2
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Just use the clutch or put it in neutral and push is your only options

Edit: avoid traffic too
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:14 PM   #3
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I just don't move until it's a decent size gap. Like a few car lengths.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:29 PM   #4
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Practice several times on a hill with no traffic around. You'll get the hang of it in no time.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:32 PM   #5
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I just don't move until it's a decent size gap. Like a few car lengths.
I agree with this! Also, it just takes some practice. An empty lot is your friend. If you can master taking off in 2nd without smoking it, you have it down. Just needs a little gas, let it out smoothly, and then push it in if needed for traffic. Become second nature after a while.


On a slope, you can always cheat by using the emergency brake. Start letting the clutch out and drop the brake. Don't set it. Just hold the button in.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:36 PM   #6
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As mentioned, stay in one spot until a larger than normal gap opens, then move. That cuts down the number of times you have to move. I've been driving manual for 27 years and still do this.

Also, pull up on the parking brake with button pressed for a second until you have let up on the clutch pedal a little and pressed down on the gas pedal a little.

Most of all, just find a hill where you can practice. You will catch on quick enough.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:11 PM   #7
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It's all muscle memory and practice. And I promise it isn't as bad as you have it in your head.

Try 5% throttle and a REALLY SLOW clutch release. You don't have to release all of the way, just enough to get to your next stopping point.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:33 PM   #8
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I deal with a few hills from time to time...I hate it when I have to stop on an uphill grade, and there's a car right on my ass behind me...So, to avoid this or rolling back from a dead stop...I go to first while still rolling, keeping as much room in front of me so I can still creep forward, or, (not ideal), hold it in place with the clutch. If I have to come to a complete stop, use the tach on the heads up just to make sure my rpm's are up a tad first. But, if I gotta goose it from a dead stop and chirp the tires from an uphill grade, oh well! lol

But, as others have said, you will get used to it...it will get better...(Heck, when my boy and I first drove it, we stalled out a bunch from popping the clutch, even on level ground!) lol

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Old 02-23-2012, 02:01 PM   #9
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This is just one thing that comes with time. This is my first manual car and I gotta tell you I hate when someone creeps up behind you on a hill. I generally just let off my brake if I see them coming a ways back so they see me roll backwards and go oh he has a manual and hopefully give me some more room so I don't roll back into them =P

All good advice above btw
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:17 PM   #10
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This is just one thing that comes with time. This is my first manual car and I gotta tell you I hate when someone creeps up behind you on a hill. I generally just let off my brake if I see them coming a ways back so they see me roll backwards and go oh he has a manual and hopefully give me some more room so I don't roll back into them =P

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LOL. I do the same thing.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:25 PM   #11
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I take it knowing how to drive a manual trans is not required any more to get a drivers license? This ages me for sure. We could not take the drivers test unless we first passed manual trans in drivers ed in high school.

Just be careful and practice!!
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:30 PM   #12
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I take it knowing how to drive a manual trans is not required any more to get a drivers license? This ages me for sure. We could not take the drivers test unless we first passed manual trans in drivers ed in high school.

Just be careful and practice!!
We "learned" the concept of manual trans in a video based lesson. No drivers ed cars are manual anymore.

This is one of the reasons I got an automatic. I've driven manual a very few times and I know the process but I drive the car for work and I hit traffic daily. Pretty much I did not have the time to practice before having to go out in it.

I will own a manual one day tho.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:35 PM   #13
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Using the e-brake when on an incline is a good method too. I pull the e-brake and apply the gas until I feel it's ready to move forward, then release the e-brake.

I get a lot of assholes that like to pull right up to my bumper.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:42 PM   #14
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Usually I don't have people get that close to me. Usually I bump the throttle a bit and they back off.

I learned to drive with manual trans car, and loved it since day one. Yeah traffic is a pain, but love those open roads

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Old 02-23-2012, 02:48 PM   #15
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Just practice and you'll get it. This was my first manual car and I was awful. Stalling all the time, jerky, terrified of what you just described. I've had it for a year now and I could drive the damn thing up a straight wall.

It will seem like you're foot CANNOT possibly move in the little increments it needs to work the clutch wright, but it can and you'll learn. Personally I think the whole E brake thing is totally unnecessary.

When I was still learning my trick was while I was sitting on a hill holding the brake, I'd ease off the clutch just a little a few times just to find the friction point. That way you know right where its at, and when everyone starts going you know just where to start with the clutch so you don't drop it and stall or freak out. Ease on the gas, ease into that friction start point and you'll just start going.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:53 PM   #16
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I take it knowing how to drive a manual trans is not required any more to get a drivers license? This ages me for sure. We could not take the drivers test unless we first passed manual trans in drivers ed in high school.

Just be careful and practice!!
You are not the only one!..lol...Just that most of all the old manuals I drove had shitty compression and not much worry over slipping the clutch either!...and the driver's behind you didn't get right on your but and start honking in a split second, cause they were driving manuals, too!!
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:03 PM   #17
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Thumbs up

I should say I learned how to drive on a manual. I'm younger (27) but my first car was a little 5 speed Nissan. Good learning car.

You will get the hang of it in no time.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:12 PM   #18
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Been driving a clutch all my life. As said wait for a decent gap and use the 'cheater' e-brake method. I use the e-brake alot-in my mind it's easier on the clutch no matter how good you are. Practice makes perfect-you'll get it. What gives me nightmares and road rage are the guys that get right on my rear bumper-they get a burnout on their hood for their stupidity
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:27 PM   #19
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Just drive a lot and get practice. Eventually it will become second nature to you.
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If you suck at it leave the car in gear and use the park brake until you get used to the release point of the clutch
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:21 PM   #21
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My first car was a Studebaker Lark Daytona (289 ci V-8, Super T-10 4 speed). It had a "hill holder" clutch. When you pulled up to a stop and stepped on the brake with the clutch in it kept the brakes on so you could have your right foot on the gas and the left foot on the clutch and not roll backward. When the light went green you just gave it gas and released the clutch like normal the brakes released and voila! No stall, no slipping, just go!
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My first car was a Studebaker Lark Daytona (289 ci V-8, Super T-10 4 speed). It had a "hill holder" clutch. When you pulled up to a stop and stepped on the brake with the clutch in it kept the brakes on so you could have your right foot on the gas and the left foot on the clutch and not roll backward. When the light went green you just gave it gas and released the clutch like normal the brakes released and voila! No stall, no slipping, just go!
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:40 PM   #23
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Like most everyone here has said. you can ride the clutch (not let it out all the way) as long as you give it very little or no gas... on a hill you may have to give it just a little.

Here's what I do when someone is riding my bumper on a hill from a dead stop.

keep your foot on the brake pedal, slowly let out the clutch a little at a time until you feel the car begin to try to move against the brake... at that point you leave the clutch in that position and move your right foot from the brake to the gas and give it a little gas and you will slowly pull away...

Try it a couple times on a flat spot to see what I mean about where the clutch engage point is, once the clutch begins to engage stop releasing the pedal (or hold it at that point) then give it a little gas, start moving, then release the clutch like normal.

Should be pretty easy. Just remember Do NOT partially release the clutch AND give a lot of gas, that will toast your clutch... but a little bit of gas and you will be fine.
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