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Old 05-10-2009, 01:54 AM   #26
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I don't get why they think this is a good comparison. Sure, performance numbers are close but I severely doubt anybody is debating which one they should buy. They just don't get it? I guess they had to have some V6 that could come close in performance.
Will they compare it to the 2010 Taurus SHO 3.5 liter DI twin turbo luxury sedan next. Hey its got more horsepower...

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Old 05-10-2009, 01:36 PM   #27
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I don't get why they think this is a good comparison. Sure, performance numbers are close but I severely doubt anybody is debating which one they should buy. They just don't get it? I guess they had to have some V6 that could come close in performance.
Will they compare it to the 2010 Taurus SHO 3.5 liter DI twin turbo luxury sedan next. Hey its got more horsepower...

Both are v6 RWD sport coupes. It seems like a good comparison to me.
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I don't get why they think this is a good comparison. Sure, performance numbers are close but I severely doubt anybody is debating which one they should buy. They just don't get it? I guess they had to have some V6 that could come close in performance.
Will they compare it to the 2010 Taurus SHO 3.5 liter DI twin turbo luxury sedan next. Hey its got more horsepower...
Lets looks at the specs.

Both V6
Both RWD
Both IRS
Both 6 speed manual
Both Sport coupes
Both similar size (camaro a bit bigger)
Both start less than $30K ($22k camaro vs $25k gen coupe)

And you dont see why this isnt a good comparison?
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Lets looks at the specs.

Both V6
Both RWD
Both IRS
Both 6 speed manual
Both Sport coupes
Both similar size (camaro a bit bigger)
Both start less than $30K ($22k camaro vs $25k gen coupe)

And you dont see why this isnt a good comparison?
Nope. I don't. Maybe I'm just to old. Maybe you don't get it either.
Ones based on look and feel of an old school Muscle car. Retro.
Ones a Hyundai.
Specs have nothing to do with it.

To each his own. Buy the Hyundai if you like it. I don't..
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Were talking a pony car comparison. The proper comparison is the base Mustang or Base Challenger which as we know don't compare. The Hyundai isn't a pony car.

There comparing the Hyundai Genesis top model with the base model Camaro. The Genesis base model is a 2.0.

Now drop that Ford 3.5 DI twin turbo in the base model Mustang for a similar price and maybe there is something to talk about! If they do they'll be a twin turbo 3.6 Camaro for 2012 I bet.
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this is a good comparison, as long as we keep subjective things like prestige and looks out of it.
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Were talking a pony car comparison. The proper comparison is the base Mustang or Base Challenger which as we know don't compare. The Hyundai isn't a pony car.
How do you figure? quote from Wikipedia: "The pony car is a class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964. It describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image." IMO the Genesis embodies this description more than any of the new "old school" cars from Ford, Chevy or Dodge. The mustang of course comes closest, but the Camaro is more of a muscle car and the base Challenger does'nt fit into either category as it is way too heavy and slow, but the R/T may. For further reference, at the end of the Motortrend 2010 Camaro V6 vs Genesis 3.8 Track test they say "If there is any future for rear drive sport coupes, Hyundai Genesis is it." and they go on to say that is why they pick it in that test.
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How do you figure? quote from Wikipedia: "The pony car is a class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964. It describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image." IMO the Genesis embodies this description more than any of the new "old school" cars from Ford, Chevy or Dodge. The mustang of course comes closest, but the Camaro is more of a muscle car and the base Challenger does'nt fit into either category as it is way too heavy and slow, but the R/T may. For further reference, at the end of the Motortrend 2010 Camaro V6 vs Genesis 3.8 Track test they say "If there is any future for rear drive sport coupes, Hyundai Genesis is it." and they go on to say that is why they pick it in that test.
so the mustang somes "close" to being a muscle car? fail.
its like saying a gallardo is exotic. or an elise isnt a light weight
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How do you figure? quote from Wikipedia: "The pony car is a class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964. It describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image." IMO the Genesis embodies this description more than any of the new "old school" cars from Ford, Chevy or Dodge. The mustang of course comes closest, but the Camaro is more of a muscle car and the base Challenger does'nt fit into either category as it is way too heavy and slow, but the R/T may. For further reference, at the end of the Motortrend 2010 Camaro V6 vs Genesis 3.8 Track test they say "If there is any future for rear drive sport coupes, Hyundai Genesis is it." and they go on to say that is why they pick it in that test.
Citing Wikipedia = FAIL.
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lmao!!
i almost said the exact thing,
but, wikipedia is one of the best things in the world.
too bad its not always right, they have everything.
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i almost said the exact thing,
but, wikipedia is one of the best things in the world.
too bad its not always right, they have everything.
lol yeah its hit or miss on some things
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lol yeah its hit or miss on some things
yeah, so thats why its all good to use wiki, just dont cite the source.
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Nope. I don't. Maybe I'm just to old. Maybe you don't get it either.
Ones based on look and feel of an old school Muscle car. Retro.
Ones a Hyundai.
Specs have nothing to do with it.

To each his own. Buy the Hyundai if you like it. I don't..
I'm comparing specs, your comparing design. Specs are quantitative(easily determine a "winner" and a "loser") , designs are qualitative (based purely on subjectives). You cant compare designs. One mans' turd is another man's unicorn.
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I'm comparing specs, your comparing design. Specs are quantitative(easily determine a "winner" and a "loser") , designs are qualitative (based purely on subjectives). You cant compare designs. One mans' turd is another man's unicorn.
so, we are comparing the specs only? i thought we were cars...
and yes i know different people will have different styling likes and dislikes, but, it is a part of a car. thats why some will chose the geny and come the maro
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Nope. I don't. Maybe I'm just to old. Maybe you don't get it either.
Ones based on look and feel of an old school Muscle car. Retro.
Ones a Hyundai.
Specs have nothing to do with it.

To each his own. Buy the Hyundai if you like it. I don't..
All of these "it's still a Hyundai" comments are really getting old. It's 2009, not 1993, Hyundai is one of the most viable and profitable automakers in the world. The Genesis sedan won numerous awards last year and the Coupe is receiving accolades accross the board as well. The Coupe has outperformed the V6 Camaro in almost every aspect and only lost the one comparo due to the bogus "gotta have it" factor.

Bottom line is, both are great new cars and we should be celebrating them, not deriding them for no reason.
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What I was saying was the mustang was closest to being a "pony" car, not a "muscle" car as the gencoupe now takes the title as the best "pony" car as the mustang has gotten bigger as is more or less a pony-muscle car, along with the camaro V6. The R/T and SS are muscle cars now...
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There are a couple things I don't like about this comparison. One, the Camaro is a preproduction model while the Genesis isn't. Two, the Camaro doesn't have the RS package on it. The RS gives the LT summer performance tires, which would make a difference on the handling of the car.
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Lets looks at the specs.

Both V6
Both RWD
Both IRS
Both 6 speed manual
Both Sport coupes
Both similar size (camaro a bit bigger)
Both start less than $30K ($22k camaro vs $25k gen coupe)

And you dont see why this isnt a good comparison?
cuz there is a 2.0t gen coupe!
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All of these "it's still a Hyundai" comments are really getting old. It's 2009, not 1993, Hyundai is one of the most viable and profitable automakers in the world. The Genesis sedan won numerous awards last year and the Coupe is receiving accolades accross the board as well. The Coupe has outperformed the V6 Camaro in almost every aspect and only lost the one comparo due to the bogus "gotta have it" factor.

Bottom line is, both are great new cars and we should be celebrating them, not deriding them for no reason.
So what you're saying is basically that the Top model Genesis outperforms the base Camaro in almost every aspect?

When will they compare top model to top model?
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Citing Wikipedia = FAIL.
They did a study where WikiPedia actually had basically the same number of mistakes as Britannica. So that's like saying all encylopedia's are = FAIL.
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Were talking a pony car comparison. The proper comparison is the base Mustang or Base Challenger which as we know don't compare. The Hyundai isn't a pony car.

There comparing the Hyundai Genesis top model with the base model Camaro. The Genesis base model is a 2.0.

Now drop that Ford 3.5 DI twin turbo in the base model Mustang for a similar price and maybe there is something to talk about! If they do they'll be a twin turbo 3.6 Camaro for 2012 I bet.
Technically the new Camaro isn't a pony car any longer either with the IRS. GM is trying to reach outside of the traditional pony car and compete with foreign RWD sports coupes. It makes sense to do these comparisons. Camaro seems to be holding its own or winning which is good news.
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I dont get the complaints....... The V6 camaro wasnt compared to the 4 cylinder genesis for the same reason magazines are not doing tests of V6 camaro versus V6 mustang/challenger. the Camaro is a much better car and doing a test would just be stating the obvious.
the same goes for comparing the V6 genesis to the V8 camaro. its obvious which one is faster so whats the point of a performance comparison test?

the V6 camaro and V6 genesis are the closest competitors when it comes to performance numbers and thats why they were compared. so what if the genesis "won" it also cost more (which isnt taken to account in a performance comparison)
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Did you even notice the Genesis was the top of the line with $4500 optional "Track Package" and the Camaro was what a 1LT with 19" wheels.
Not only are they not comparing top of the line to top of the line, they had to select the mid level base Camaro to be able to beat it with the best they had.

With the RS option the Camaro beats it in the Figure-8 and maybe the drag too (notice the spin on the 19's at launch). The 1LT beat the brembo's of the Genesis in stopping. It weighs less. How did they screw that up.

Watch it yourself


And they talk about the Genesis trying to "muscle in on the pony party"

Thats all I'm gonna say....

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how much better do the 20s with PZeros hold the road cmpared to the 19s?
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