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Old 03-01-2012, 12:16 AM   #226
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Starts at 2:40
You didnt sy it but why would anyone in their right state of mind skip to 2:40. i really liked that first part of the video!
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Old 03-01-2012, 04:21 PM   #227
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If I may - I've been thinking...

I'm thinking ZL1 could be better for road courses, where the suspension would likely outperform the Snake, but, something longer, like the 'Ring, the Snake would excel because it could take more advantage of the straights with it's power. I maintain I think ZL1 will still be more than competitive in the twisties, but if you give that Snake enough space, it's going to be tough to stay out front.
About the Ring.... It's an old video, but outright power doesn't do much there...



If the GT500 wants to beat the ZL1 time, it'll have to be a good handling car...
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Old 03-01-2012, 04:37 PM   #228
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Good video. The 'ring doesn't have a lot of straights, even the high speed parts have some kinks which demand a good handling car.
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:37 PM   #229
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Good video. The 'ring doesn't have a lot of straights, even the high speed parts have some kinks which demand a good handling car.
This. The ring has a couple of fast straights that you can build speed on and make up time but for the most part the track seems to require excellent handling ability to turn a good time. Remember a cobalt is only 2 seconds behind an SS camaro around the ring despite being down 150 or so hp.
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:56 PM   #230
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No doubt, that is one aspect about the ring that I don't think people understand. The difference between the ZR1 and Z06 was some 3 seconds on that track even though the Z06 packs 505BHP and the ZR1 638BHP.

Also the Nissan LFA with only 550BHP ran a faster time..
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:22 AM   #231
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The GTR is proof that despite it being not ideal, you can make a heavy car fast with good engineering and electronics.
Turbo cars get more bias, but even the s/c cars get a break on dyno's as they are rigged to correct for n/a motors. Expect the zl1 and new gt500 to look good on dyno's. Especially the gt500 at 15 psi.
Also, Toyota made the LFA. They have a special ' ring addition. The zl1 should do a lightning lap edition, or VIR with the sticky tires.
Crazy impressive time. Only really comparable to the new zr1, and ford's gt500 run.
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LFA

Well, I know Toyota is owner of Lexus or something like that, but the LFA is Technically a Lexus..... and it's base price is a mere $375,000.... so, if it couldn't beat the ZL1 it would be a HUGE waste of money..... For $375,000 I would still rather own SIX yes 6 ZL1's LOADED!!!
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:37 PM   #233
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Well, I know Toyota is owner of Lexus or something like that, but the LFA is Technically a Lexus..... and it's base price is a mere $375,000.... so, if it couldn't beat the ZL1 it would be a HUGE waste of money..... For $375,000 I would still rather own SIX yes 6 ZL1's LOADED!!!
ZR1 may be faster, but have your heard that LFA engine!! It's f*ing incredible!
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:16 PM   #234
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Well, I know Toyota is owner of Lexus or something like that, but the LFA is Technically a Lexus..... and it's base price is a mere $375,000.... so, if it couldn't beat the ZL1 it would be a HUGE waste of money..... For $375,000 I would still rather own SIX yes 6 ZL1's LOADED!!!
If you had the money, and you drove, rode in, heard, or saw the LF-A in person, you wouldn't be saying that. The car is incredible.
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ZR1 may be faster, but have your heard that LFA engine!! It's f*ing incredible!
yes I have hail yahmaha. the best thing about the car isn't even really lexus developed. ha ha. car is still an epic fail in my book. cost 2 mil to build and can't outlap a Z06 without being taken outside production specs.

$375k??? hmm 458 229k, z07/gtr 95k, zl-1 55k= 379k I would rather have that stable than one overpriced lexus/yahmaha.
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ZL1 section...*check*

Title = Video: Camaro ZL1 Runs VIR in 2:52:38. Faster than Z06, GT-R, GT3 RS!...*check*

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ZL1 section...*check*

Title = Video: Camaro ZL1 Runs VIR in 2:52:38. Faster than Z06, GT-R, GT3 RS!...*check*

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If you had the money, and you drove, rode in, heard, or saw the LF-A in person, you wouldn't be saying that. The car is incredible.

I have seen the car in person, it is a cool car, but it isn't worth $375,000 to me. I am a very practical person. Just because I have the money to spend, doesn't mean I would buy something for more money when I can get a better car for less.

I would buy a ZR1 before even considering a LFA. It doesn't make sense to pay more money for something just because you have money when there is an equally or better product for less money. Not just a little more money, but I could stioll get 3 yes THREE ZR1's for that much money.

Doesn't make sense.

If I were going to pay that much money for a vehicle, it would be a Saleen S7. A car that was actually designed (****pit area) for each buyer when ordered from the factory. They kinda customize the seat, pedals, and controls for each person.
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ZL1 section...*check*

Title = Video: Camaro ZL1 Runs VIR in 2:52:38. Faster than Z06, GT-R, GT3 RS!...*check*

Sorry, posted before I saw your post
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I have seen the car in person, it is a cool car, but it isn't worth $375,000 to me. I am a very practical person. Just because I have the money to spend, doesn't mean I would buy something for more money when I can get a better car for less.

I would buy a ZR1 before even considering a LFA. It doesn't make sense to pay more money for something just because you have money when there is an equally or better product for less money. Not just a little more money, but I could stioll get 3 yes THREE ZR1's for that much money.

Doesn't make sense.

If I were going to pay that much money for a vehicle, it would be a Saleen S7. A car that was actually designed (****pit area) for each buyer when ordered from the factory. They kinda customize the seat, pedals, and controls for each person.


Amen. I'm a practical man and not a brand whore.
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No doubt, that is one aspect about the ring that I don't think people understand. The difference between the ZR1 and Z06 was some 3 seconds on that track even though the Z06 packs 505BHP and the ZR1 638BHP.

Also the Nissan LFA with only 550BHP ran a faster time..
Nissan LFA? :faint2:
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If you had the money, and you drove, rode in, heard, or saw the LF-A in person, you wouldn't be saying that. The car is incredible.
Sorry to join in on this but the LFA is not worth $375k, it is a rare Lexus and it is priced that way, 458, ZR1, MP4-12C, all better cars. And all for $100k-$270k less, Hell another $25k and get an Aventador.

& yes I have seen and heard the LFA in person, still like the 458, Aventador, MP4-12C AND ZR1 more. All in person and in sound and in performance.
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You guys may want to watch this. The ZL-1 was beat out by several cars in this unbiased test that was very well done by Motor Trend. The track test driver was Pro racer Randy Pobst. Randy has been road racing for nearly 30 years. I trust his lap times.


http://youtu.be/QBfugbEIlk4

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Old 03-14-2013, 03:06 PM   #245
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You guys may want to watch this. The ZL-1 was beat out by several cars in this unbiased test that was very well done by Motor Trend. The track test driver was Pro racer Randy Pobst. Randy has been road racing for nearly 30 years. I trust his lap times.


http://youtu.be/QBfugbEIlk4
It's been posted on here before.
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:42 PM   #246
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You guys may want to watch this. The ZL-1 was beat out by several cars in this unbiased test that was very well done by Motor Trend. The track test driver was Pro racer Randy Pobst. Randy has been road racing for nearly 30 years. I trust his lap times.


http://youtu.be/QBfugbEIlk4
OK I'll bite

Judging by your 6 posts (all of which are negative to GM) you're either a Ford fan or Dodge Fan, so I'll just leave these quote from the article here for you to chew over..

"Power is ridiculous. This is one of the best performance engines out there. No weak spots coupled with excellent output and refinement." Long story short, while the Shelby is faster, you're not as tempted to go wide-open throttle as you are in the Camaro because the Chevy drives better. And it's more than plenty fast.

And also :

"Feels so much more stable than the Ford,"

Also:

I put the Camaro ahead of the Shelby because I felt I had a better sense of control.”

So no contest between Ford and GM in that article.

And if you're a Dodge Fan, well they don't even a nominee in that article..

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OK I'll bite

Judging by your 6 posts (all of which are negative to GM) you're either a Ford fan or Dodge Fan, so I'll just leave these quote from the article here for you to chew over.
IF you read or seen my post I've probably owned more Chevy's in my lifetime than you have sir. I got tired of getting my ass and wallet kicked every time I bought a new one, plus dealing with the scum bag dealers what not a fun time. 22 years later I am just about ready to buy this fantastic ZL1. I come onto these forums and find nothing has changed. I was hoping something would have changed in that long time frame. I am sorry, but it's a $60K car NOT a $18K car. It shouldn't have all these problems I see folks on HERE complaining about and then go to down to their dealers and have problems dealing with the dealer. I really really want the car, but I'm afraid really afraid to pull the trigger. Sorry IF you don't or can't understand that.
Ohh yeh the ZL1 in the MotorTrend test did get beat by a GT500 as it should. The ZL1 is minus 80 HP, plus it's heavier. Chevy should up the ant a little on the HP just like they did back in good ol 60's. Another 50 to 80HP would never hurt plus not many Chevy fans would complain on that one.

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IF you read or seen my post I've probably owned more Chevy's in my lifetime than you have sir. I got tired of getting my ass and wallet kicked every time I bought a new one, plus dealing with the scum bag dealers what not a fun time. 22 years later I am just about ready to buy this fantastic ZL1. I come onto these forums and find nothing has changed. I was hoping something would have changed in that long time frame. I am sorry, but it's a $60K car NOT a $18K car. It shouldn't have all these problems I see folks on HERE complaining about and then go to down to their dealers and have problems dealing with the dealer. I really really want the car, but I'm afraid really afraid to pull the trigger. Sorry IF you don't or can't understand that.
Ohh yeh the ZL1 in the MotorTrend test did get beat by a GT500 as it should. The ZL1 is minus 80 HP, plus it's heavier. Chevy should up the ant a little on the HP just like they did back in good ol 60's. Another 50 to 80HP would never hurt plus not many Chevy fans would complain on that one.
Have you driven one? I did not get my ass kicked or wallet when i bought any of mine. I suggest go drive one and base your decision on facts by your own hand instead of running your mouth on a forum. I have a 1k rwhp camaro and it is nothing compared to the ride of my zl1 except for straight line acceleration.
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Have you driven one? I did not get my ass kicked or wallet when i bought any of mine. I suggest go drive one and base your decision on facts by your own hand instead of running your mouth on a forum. I have a 1k rwhp camaro and it is nothing compared to the ride of my zl1 except for straight line acceleration.
I did get a ride on one, but I did not drive one. That is what really turned my onto this car. The ride alone was enough. Yes it's one awesome car and ofcourse with a mod or two it's right up there with the GT500. I would NEVER ever buy a rustang and I don't care for anything Ford.
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I am sorry, but it's a $60K car NOT a $18K car. It shouldn't have all these problems I see folks on HERE complaining about and then go to down to their dealers and have problems dealing with the dealer. I really really want the car, but I'm afraid really afraid to pull the trigger.

Sorry IF you don't or can't understand that.

Ohh yeh the ZL1 in the MotorTrend test did get beat by a GT500 as it should. The ZL1 is minus 80 HP, plus it's heavier. Chevy should up the ant a little on the HP just like they did back in good ol 60's. Another 50 to 80HP would never hurt plus not many Chevy fans would complain on that one.
Consider that this is a concentrated group of enthusiasts more apt to notice small things...not the general public. ZL1 is a VERY reliable car...and I want to say the Camaro just won an award recently for dependability.

It didn't lose that comparison. On top of being faster through almost every corner, it "won" (stress the quotes), if you read to the end, because it was more consistent and turned out fast times, lap after lap after lap...the GT500 just kept fading and getting slower. It was built to put up glory times for magazines, drags, and bench-racing. Whereas the ZL1 was built from the beginning to live on the track without breaking a sweat.

I believe some of the things you are concerned about are really non-issues. I think you should take some time to look one over real close - if you can afford one, and you really want it - I'm willing to promise you won't be disappointed.
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