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Old 02-27-2012, 03:50 PM   #76
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:51 PM   #77
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I want the ZL1 to be my roadcourse car.
If I may - I've been thinking...

I'm thinking ZL1 could be better for road courses, where the suspension would likely outperform the Snake, but, something longer, like the 'Ring, the Snake would excel because it could take more advantage of the straights with it's power. I maintain I think ZL1 will still be more than competitive in the twisties, but if you give that Snake enough space, it's going to be tough to stay out front.

That leads me to my next question - how would they compare on an autocross? ZL1 is heavier, but could bite harder, and there's less room for a lot of powre. The Snake is lighter, and suspension may not bite as hard in the corners, but can't use all of it's power...

It's clear to me GM and Ford are taking these cars in diverging directions perhaps, the more I think about it. While less downforce in ZL1 might enable high-180s and maybe bottom 190-top speeds, Ford is taking the Snake clear to 200. While it has considerably more power, it will be interesting to see what aerodynamics it has in comparison to ZL1. I know they're improved over the last Snake, but I think GM kinda' favored more downforce instead of top speed. That seems a fair trade-off, because what tracks are you going to use 200 MPH? Not the 'Ring, where GM likes to go.

Hmm... I'm almost more curious about the Snake than ZL1, lol You know what they say about the enemy
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:01 PM   #81
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ZL1 VIR lap video

That ZL1 just keep looking better and better with each new test...GM's intention was to produce a complete overall performance car (track and street) and the mission is accomplished !!! Watching the video, I can hear my heart thumping and my pulse quicken....
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:12 PM   #82
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I know it's been said before, but after watching these two videos and with more and more info coming out on the 2013 snake I just have to say. I don't care if you are a ford or Chevy guy the bottom line is these two companies are building two awesome cars right now. When it's all said and done they are producing two cars that perform on border line super car level for 55-65k and that is awesome. Gotta love american muscle!
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:17 PM   #83
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:20 PM   #84
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ZL1 times will be much better as the weather HEATS UP... !
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:20 PM   #85
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Most impressive!!! I can’t wait to hear how this car performs when it starts showing up at the dealerships. Thanks GM….GOOD JOB!!!
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:23 PM   #86
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Wow. This might have been said already, but so much for the Laguna Seca only being a few seconds slower. Great Job!
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:28 PM   #88
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:44 PM   #89
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Holy cow that is an insane time. Very impressive and makes me very happy, can't wait to get mine in!!! Congrats GM on an awesome time!

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Old 02-27-2012, 04:47 PM   #90
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It's official, I'm buying one. Maybe not today or tomorrow but in the next few years. It's a ton of money for me for a car but you only live once and this car is too badass.
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:50 PM   #91
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What's up neighbor!!! Did you get your VIN already?
Not yet, it's at 3400 as we speak. Expecting it first week of April if all goes well. We shall see!

How about you? I can't wait!
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I know it's been said before, but after watching these two videos and with more and more info coming out on the 2013 snake I just have to say. I don't care if you are a ford or Chevy guy the bottom line is these two companies are building two awesome cars right now. When it's all said and done they are producing two cars that perform on border line super car level for 55-65k and that is awesome. Gotta love american muscle!
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:51 PM   #93
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Not yet, it's at 3400 as we speak. Expecting it first week of April if all goes well. We shall see!

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Old 02-27-2012, 04:51 PM   #94
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Looking at the videos of both cars the ZL1 Camaro was pulling 1.3Gs at time in corners where as the GT500 was pulling some 1.2Gs. I even saw the ZL1 Camaro blip the 1.4G barrier on some corners, though its not close to the Z06 pulling 2.0Gs on the ring. Though this video wasn't from the ring, still though there is a difference and thats it.

The ZL1 Camaro us pulling Gs in the area of the 2006 Z06 Corvette while also accelerating pretty close to it. I can see how the ZL1 Camaro can run near the same lap time as the early Z06 Corvette.

I just don't see how the GT500 will be able to keep up with the ZL1 on a track unless the track is very much top end dependent.
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#75 I' ll call you as soon as I get it
Awesome man, I look forward to it! May I ask what color you got?

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Old 02-27-2012, 05:38 PM   #97
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How does this make any sense at all? How is A ZL1 beating a Z06? Z06 has better acceleration, top end speed, cornering, suspension, its lower, much lighter , etc... Who in was driving the z06.... because the ZL1 should not come close.... The fact that the ZL1 was 20 seconds slower then the Z06 on the ring only proves this point... I'll stick to the Ring as a measuring point
The time used for reference on the 'ring, is for the Z07 package with upgraded suspension and tires.
The ZL1 suspension is more advanced than the Z06's or the ZR1's for that matter.
So yes, it's very possible for the ZL1 to be faster than the Z06.
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:50 PM   #99
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IS there a video of the 2010 Camaro SS ruuning the 3:09.50 at VIR ??
I would like to see them both side by side...18sec difference!
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:54 PM   #100
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wow...what a lap. for me the most remarkable characteristic of the Zl1 is its ability to put every one of its 580 horses, to the ground. just look how effortless he comes out of the corners! so smooth and stable for the matter too. mrc+ptm+launch control=CAMARO HEAVEN
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