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Old 02-29-2012, 12:56 PM   #26
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I believe everyone is in unison when I say that the Z28 has to be a very unique vehicle. It can certainly draw parts and information from ZL1 and Corvette but it needs to be its own car that can be marked as the best Z28 of all time.

The LS7 quite simply has to be the heart and soul of the Z28. Anything else will dilute the marque.

Use the performance parts that were developed for the ZL1:
Front spitter, Lower front bumper with brake cooling ducts, Shock tower cross brace, 6 Piston front/4 Piston rear Brembos with the 2 pc. rotors, beefed up suspension components BUT NOT the MR system, upgraded transmissions both TR6060 and Automatic, Short-Shift Shifter, Dual mode exhaust, Beefed up ZL1 rear end.

This car HAS to have better seats. The Recaros used in the Boss 302 are the best for a reason. Use them! Because the Magnetic Shocks are not race accepted, pull the Pedders coil overs off of the GMPP shelf and put them on the Z28.

Use the 19" wheels from the CTS-V and put 285 tires on all four corners. Put a heat extractor hood on the car, either a variant of the ZL1 or Jay Leno hood. Use the upgraded HUD from the ZL1. Change the gauge faces to red like the ones used on the Camaro Black edition.

The hard part will be keeping the car in the $42,000 to $45,000 range with the above parts. But whatever you do, DO NOT dilute the name Z28 just to make a car. If the decision is made to build a Z28, then make it right and make it worthy of the name Z28.
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I believe everyone is in unison when I say that the Z28 has to be a very unique vehicle. It can certainly draw parts and information from ZL1 and Corvette but it needs to be its own car that can be marked as the best Z28 of all time.

The LS7 quite simply has to be the heart and soul of the Z28. Anything else will dilute the marque.

Use the performance parts that were developed for the ZL1:
Front spitter, Lower front bumper with brake cooling ducts, Shock tower cross brace, 6 Piston front/4 Piston rear Brembos with the 2 pc. rotors, beefed up suspension components BUT NOT the MR system, upgraded transmissions both TR6060 and Automatic, Short-Shift Shifter, Dual mode exhaust, Beefed up ZL1 rear end.

This car HAS to have better seats. The Recaros used in the Boss 302 are the best for a reason. Use them! Because the Magnetic Shocks are not race accepted, pull the Pedders coil overs off of the GMPP shelf and put them on the Z28.

Use the 19" wheels from the CTS-V and put 285 tires on all four corners. Put a heat extractor hood on the car, either a variant of the ZL1 or Jay Leno hood. Use the upgraded HUD from the ZL1. Change the gauge faces to red like the ones used on the Camaro Black edition.

The hard part will be keeping the car in the $42,000 to $45,000 range with the above parts. But whatever you do, DO NOT dilute the name Z28 just to make a car. If the decision is made to build a Z28, then make it right and make it worthy of the name Z28.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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My best guesstimate is 1SS + 1LE (HD drivetrain/hardware/rolling-stock/body, excluding heated leather) = $40-42,000 ($8-10K); as a 2SS, mid-$40s. Multi-adjustable coddling Recaros: $2.5-4K. LS7 = $7K.

So...2SS + 1LE + Recaros + LS7 = ZL1 $hekel$, give or take (LSA "crate" = LS7 "crate")

And 1SS + 1LS Trim/Seats + 1LE + LS7 = Base Z/28 = $47,500...+ Recaros (only) = $51,500
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My best guesstimate is 1SS + 1LE (HD drivetrain/hardware/rolling-stock/body, excluding heated leather) = $40-42,000 ($8-10K); as a 2SS, mid-$40s. Multi-adjustable coddling Recaros: $2.5-4K. LS7 = $7K.

So...2SS + 1LE + Recaros + LS7 = ZL1 $hekel$, give or take (LSA "crate" = LS7 "crate")

And 1SS + 1LS Trim/Seats + 1LE + LS7 = Base Z/28 = $47,500...+ Recaros (only) = $51,500
Plus the ABW and change of pants you will need after your first drive.
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Plus the ABW and change of pants you will need after your first drive.
Well...that DEPENDS...or maybe I'll wear my leopard-skin thong...
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Seems to me, with forward-facing Ram Air, the 2nd and 3rd characters of this grille emblem are INCORRECT...
...and those look like excellent potential Brake Duct inlets, below the Driving Lights...
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Seems to me, with forward-facing Ram Air, the 2nd and 3rd characters of this grille emblem are INCORRECT...
...and those look like excellent potential Brake Duct inlets, below the Driving Lights...



Ladies and Gentleman....may I propose this be the face of the Z28...
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"What would a report on this site be without a little peek into the future. When asked about the ZL1 versus Z28 issue, we asked if it was possible for a Z28 model to show up since it the Z28 badge and Camaro have been together since pretty much the beginning. That question was greeted with a big smile and a bit of a chuckle"






Not sure if a smile and a chuckle is a good thing or a bad thing???

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Old 03-02-2012, 08:17 PM   #37
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Ladies and Gentleman....may I propose this be the face of the Z28...
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Old 03-02-2012, 10:05 PM   #38
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Agreed. Wasn't the ZL1 originally supposed to be the Z28? I thought it was a late name change and that it was decided that the ZL1 name was more fitting for the top dog Camaro. If that's true then why would they add a ZL1 badge to a body design that was only an option early on? I think they're just showing us a possible Z28 to guage our reaction. Looks good to me.
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We can only hope the 5Gen has a Z28. This Camaro's design deserves a Z28. I must add the ZL1 is awesome. And I must say it again a 427 Z28 would be magical!
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Agreed. Wasn't the ZL1 originally supposed to be the Z28?
It was a rumor but nobody really knows. Well somebody does but they are not talking...
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See how similar (and "different") this concept (from SEMA '08) is to the 1LE concept from SEMA '11...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9274

"Tasty" indeed, Mac! The COPO LS7 was the "seed" for a proposed aftermarket version that didn't quite "germinate"...perhaps there's a "phoenix" out there...somewhere...

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Old 03-04-2012, 12:07 AM   #43
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GM I will gladly give my first born son for a Z28. I know I know I don't have one yet but when I do. . .
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I still don't know how anyone expects a Camaro with an LS7 to be cost effective. The Z06 is 70k +! And you want GM to basically take it in the shorts by putting an LS7 in a 5th gen chassis.......and then sell it for $45,000-$50,000? I seriously doubt that is gonna happen. And then what's left for engine choices? LSA? Already been done. That leaves the LS3. Now we have to take a 5th gen with an LS3 and then make it perform the same or better on a track that a boss 302 does! That's gonna be a tall order. Tweaking the suspension is not going to turn an LS3 5th gen into a capable track car that can compete on any level with a boss 302. I mean that is the point of creating a Z28 right? It's a track car? In many racing classes, MR and forced induction are not allowed. So you just threw out the Camaros two main methods of gaining an advantage on the track. So after all that, what are we left with for a Z28? I just don't see it happening unless the camaro sheds some weight or a cheaper more cost effective NA engine gets developed. I also don't see that happening in this goaround. I will be shocked if GM releases a 5th gen with an LS7 that is priced between 40-50,000k.




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I still don't know how anyone expects a Camaro with an LS7 to be cost effective. The Z06 is 70k +! And you want GM to basically take it in the shorts by putting an LS7 in a 5th gen chassis.......and then sell it for $45,000-$50,000? I seriously doubt that is gonna happen. And then what's left for engine choices? LSA? Already been done. That leaves the LS3. Now we have to take a 5th gen with an LS3 and then make it perform the same or better on a track that a boss 302 does! That's gonna be a tall order. Tweaking the suspension is not going to turn an LS3 5th gen into a capable track car that can compete on any level with a boss 302. I mean that is the point of creating a Z28 right? It's a track car? In many racing classes, MR and forced induction are not allowed. So you just threw out the Camaros two main methods of gaining an advantage on the track. So after all that, what are we left with for a Z28? I just don't see it happening unless the camaro sheds some weight or a cheaper more cost effective NA engine gets developed. I also don't see that happening in this goaround. I will be shocked if GM releases a 5th gen with an LS7 that is priced between 40-50,000k.




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The thing is, we really have no idea what they are going to do or not do. I would love to see a Z/28 with the 5th gen body, but they may wait until the 6th gen Camaro which should be much lighter on the Alpha chassis. All we can do in the meantime is offer our suggestions, wait, then wait some more, beg plead, whine, then wait some more. In the end, GM/Chevy will do what they want to do when they want to do it! And if they wait too long I may not be around to buy one (even though it's on my bucket list).
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I still don't know how anyone expects a Camaro with an LS7 to be cost effective. The Z06 is 70k +! And you want GM to basically take it in the shorts by putting an LS7 in a 5th gen chassis.......and then sell it for $45,000-$50,000? I seriously doubt that is gonna happen. And then what's left for engine choices? LSA? Already been done. That leaves the LS3. Now we have to take a 5th gen with an LS3 and then make it perform the same or better on a track that a boss 302 does! That's gonna be a tall order. Tweaking the suspension is not going to turn an LS3 5th gen into a capable track car that can compete on any level with a boss 302. I mean that is the point of creating a Z28 right? It's a track car? In many racing classes, MR and forced induction are not allowed. So you just threw out the Camaros two main methods of gaining an advantage on the track. So after all that, what are we left with for a Z28? I just don't see it happening unless the camaro sheds some weight or a cheaper more cost effective NA engine gets developed. I also don't see that happening in this goaround. I will be shocked if GM releases a 5th gen with an LS7 that is priced between 40-50,000k.




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SCCA American Iron extreme class allows forced induction. but from my understanding MR is still not allowed. Also you are talking about a vet with more features then an engine. The engine isn't what makes the vette 70k. it's a combination of the light weight materials used engine and other performance options along with all the goodies that you can get in a regular vette. the cost of the LS7 over the LS3 is something like 9k retail. It doesn't cost GM retail to build a crate engine. so what will the real cost be 4-7k difference? big window due to manufacturing costs. but lets to the math using retail pricing

Base 1SS $32,820 (before destination
LS3 (crateenginedepot.com) $6204.00
LS7 from the same place $13,578.00 (note does not include dry sump system)
now subtract the ls7 by the ls3 cost. you get 7374. so now you're looking at a 40k car just with slapping the engine in.

add in an upgraded suspension and maybe some minor weight reduction with out incorporating R&D costs in you can easily see 43-45k for a base Z28. so 47k with R&D added in. because the profit margin is still there from the original SS car you don't need to worry about adding that in.

yes that is assuming a lot about suspension, weight reduction and R&D. but it looks like most of the work is already there. it just need validation.

Now what I would like and what keeps getting proposed by all the other Z28 guys are two different things. I still want a DI v-8, pedders suspension, and race seats. leave the hud on the car but add the feature to see G's.
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Let's boil it down further, so that even an abacus can cypher it...

LSA = LS7, crate 'n all

Delete certain things from the ZL1, and you end up with a lower price point...

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I still don't know how anyone expects a Camaro with an LS7 to be cost effective. The Z06 is 70k +! And you want GM to basically take it in the shorts by putting an LS7 in a 5th gen chassis.......and then sell it for $45,000-$50,000? I seriously doubt that is gonna happen. And then what's left for engine choices? LSA? Already been done. That leaves the LS3. Now we have to take a 5th gen with an LS3 and then make it perform the same or better on a track that a boss 302 does! That's gonna be a tall order. Tweaking the suspension is not going to turn an LS3 5th gen into a capable track car that can compete on any level with a boss 302. I mean that is the point of creating a Z28 right? It's a track car? In many racing classes, MR and forced induction are not allowed. So you just threw out the Camaros two main methods of gaining an advantage on the track. So after all that, what are we left with for a Z28? I just don't see it happening unless the camaro sheds some weight or a cheaper more cost effective NA engine gets developed. I also don't see that happening in this goaround. I will be shocked if GM releases a 5th gen with an LS7 that is priced between 40-50,000k.




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The HUGE price jump in the Z06 over the base Vette is the suspension, frame and chassis. A lot of exotic stuff in a Z06.
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SCCA American Iron extreme class allows forced induction. but from my understanding MR is still not allowed.
Which SCCA vehicle class is that?

I've got the latest & greatest rulebook handy, I can reference it...
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I'm sorry I'm mistaken. it's NASA that has that series http://www.nasaponycars.com/ they also do camaro and mustang challenge. but when I was looking at getting into the series they accepted SCCA licenses. that might be where I got that SCCA from.
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