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Old 03-20-2012, 04:23 PM   #1401
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No hard feelings bro just busting your chops, I understand mustang guys are gonna defend Ford and Zl1 guys are gonna defend Chevy. I do have a sense of humor and I'm not "touchy" and I don't have a bumper sticker on my camaro that says cats not people or whatever it said LOL!
a lot of touchy people around here lately. I love both Mustangs and Camaros (ZL1) but I will never get into a pissing match for a CAR.
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:40 PM   #1402
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THE ECONOMICS OF THE ZL1 "HOLD"

You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to Realize that this HOLD is for a Major Problem....In simple terms there must be $25 Million Dollars plus or Minus sitting at the Plant--------That is a LOT OF CASH FLOW sitting Idle for GM........If this was a nothing or a minor minor problem these cars would be long gone......
I hope I am Wrong but us Buyers are in for a Long Hold I think....I am sure GM is trying to Rectify the Issue as Fast as Possible and its Obvious they can't say what the problem is Publicly till its resolved.....
They can't win either way "to open up or say nothing" Past Experience says we will be in the Dark for some time to come...........Harvey
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:44 PM   #1403
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THE ECONOMICS OF THE ZL1 "HOLD"

Didn't realize that this Thread has been on going ad nauseum, because I was out of the loop dealing with my Wife's Passing........Sorry about Repeating the Thread......Harvey
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Harvey, I am sorry to hear about your wife. My sincere sympathy to you and your family.
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No hard feelings bro just busting your chops, I understand mustang guys are gonna defend Ford and Zl1 guys are gonna defend Chevy. I do have a sense of humor and I'm not "touchy" and I don't have a bumper sticker on my camaro that says cats not people or whatever it said LOL!

Ha Ha, you read that post huh? Damn sticker made me laugh out loud. No offence taken, I work in Advertising and am surrounded by a bunch of woman...my ego takes a beating daily. And while I am a Ford guy based on my current stable, my lovely wife is a 3rd generation Chevy girl through and through. One day I will be buying her a Corvette :-)

FWIW, I'm also a Fender guy, although I love my Gibsons, and a Pepsi Guy although I did work for Coke at some point, and will drink whatever they have handy to go with my rum. Which bringing this thread back on topic, I will raise in toast to you guys (and gals) the minute I read here that cars are being delivered to their happy customers. Us car folk have to stick together otherwise we'll all be driving appliances on wheels.
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:53 PM   #1408
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You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to Realize that this HOLD is for a Major Problem....In simple terms there must be $25 Million Dollars plus or Minus sitting at the Plant--------That is a LOT OF CASH FLOW sitting Idle for GM........If this was a nothing or a minor minor problem these cars would be long gone......
I hope I am Wrong but us Buyers are in for a Long Hold I think....I am sure GM is trying to Rectify the Issue as Fast as Possible and its Obvious they can't say what the problem is Publicly till its resolved.....
They can't win either way "to open up or say nothing" Past Experience says we will be in the Dark for some time to come...........Harvey
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:54 PM   #1409
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Didn't realize that this Thread has been on going ad nauseum, because I was out of the loop dealing with my Wife's Passing........Sorry about Repeating the Thread......Harvey
Wow my sincere condolences and may rest in peace.

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Old 03-20-2012, 04:55 PM   #1410
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Rebrand all the cars to 2013... I kinda like that idea.
I will take 1 of 1000 or 2000 any day in the 2012 model over a 2013 no matter how many they make. The VIN numbers already reflect the MY code as do all the body parts, the cars are already built, the defect will soon be corrected and we all hope to have our cars by the end of Spring. The longer production is halted the fewer 2012s will be made unless they push real hard through May. We will all be in a unique category as owners of the 2012. Yes we will suffer early depreciation and if that is an issue for anyone that does not intend to keep it over 5-7 years then they might consider a 2013..... but you only gain one year's depreciation, nothing else. Still might be better to have a 2012..... Certainly a more interesting "story" to tell!
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:55 PM   #1411
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Ha Ha, you read that post huh? Damn sticker made me laugh out loud. No offence taken, I work in Advertising and am surrounded by a bunch of woman...my ego takes a beating daily. And while I am a Ford guy based on my current stable, my lovely wife is a 3rd generation Chevy girl through and through. One day I will be buying her a Corvette :-)

FWIW, I'm also a Fender guy, although I love my Gibsons, and a Pepsi Guy although I did work for Coke at some point, and will drink whatever they have handy to go with my rum. Which bringing this thread back on topic, I will raise in toast to you guys (and gals) the minute I read here that cars are being delivered to their happy customers. Us car folk have to stick together otherwise we'll all be driving appliances on wheels.
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I say drop the hammer on 'em. I feel badly for all the GM employee's from the front line saleman up through customer service, district, and even higher level ranks I imagine who have to contend with, respond to, and tolerate this incessant shameful display of impatience, lack of decorum, and outright childish behavior. Those partcipating in it are giving US, the Camaro and Chevrolet Community a black eye. This is a public board for everyone to read. Someone posted recently how the other car manufacturer boards are getting a kick out of this nonsense. I trust the flagrant complainers are proud of themselves. There is no justification in it. A long time ago I was told a phrase..."if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all". Yeah, that phrase is dated as all heck...but..there is hidden truth in it. Those dissaproving of this counterproductive behavior are being patient, but patience wears thin and can reach the tipping point when the drone of nonstop, often vitrioloc, rhetoric persists unabated. Give it a break please. Some here are serving no legitimate purpose by posting constantly in a demeaning "it's all about me" manner. Oh yes...you have a right...I know...but so do we. A two way street. Like a flake recently said here...they better make mine perfect...or else. That sums it up. Try pulling this on one of the other car boards and you will get run off so quick you won't even know what hit you. There's nothing being touchy about this...it's the proverbial broken record...the Chinese have a saying "death by a thousand cuts". I hope this Groundhog Day ends soon...and common sense prevails. That's my 2 cents worth and all I'm going to say about it until the cows come home. In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn, I present you this truism.......

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Old 03-20-2012, 05:06 PM   #1413
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I will take 1 of 1000 or 2000 any day in the 2012 model over a 2013 no matter how many they make. The VIN numbers already reflect the MY code as do all the body parts, the cars are already built, the defect will soon be corrected and we all hope to have our cars by the end of Spring. The longer production is halted the fewer 2012s will be made unless they push real hard through May. We will all be in a unique category as owners of the 2012. Yes we will suffer early depreciation and if that is an issue for anyone that does not intend to keep it over 5-7 years then they might consider a 2013..... but you only gain one year's depreciation, nothing else. Still might be better to have a 2012..... Certainly a more interesting "story" to tell!
You don't think the 13s will be sequenced?
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:07 PM   #1414
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Harvey sorry to hear about your wife, I hope your doing OK and have alot of family support. I lost my first wife a little over 8 years ago to an ongoing illness.
Losing a love one has given me a differant perspective about things, and perhaps why I don't take this waiting to seriously. Quite frankly its just a
minor thing in my eyes, I'm very fortunate to have meet some one in my life to share with, and to me concerning this car as I have said before my
first priority is that its safe to drive.

As far as the economics of the wait, if they released this car with known
issues esp to safety this would open a whole worse can of worms. GM is doing the correct thing and taking care of business and I for this.

Again sorry for your lost, and I wish you the very best!
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What information exactly would you suggest that GM release regarding the QC hold?


GM has nothing to do with dealers charging ADM, and is, in fact, prohibited by law to set the price at which a dealer can sell a vehicle.

North of the border, dealers are free to charge an ADM, but they are limited to the percent of MSRP they can charge. I'll need to check with my wife, who was a car sales woman to find the exact amount but I believe it was a maximum of 15%.
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Didn't realize that this Thread has been on going ad nauseum, because I was out of the loop dealing with my Wife's Passing........Sorry about Repeating the Thread......Harvey
Harvey, my thoughts and prayers are with you on your loss.

I went through it six years ago and my heart goes out to you and your family.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:20 PM   #1417
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North of the border, dealers are free to charge an ADM, but they are limited to the percent of MSRP they can charge. I'll need to check with my wife, who was a car sales woman to find the exact amount but I believe it was a maximum of 15%.
I was, of course, referring to dealers in the U.S. where mark up is not limited and dealers are free to charge whatever mark up they can get.
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I say drop the hammer on 'em. I feel badly for all the GM employee's from the front line saleman up through customer service, district, and even higher level ranks I imagine who have to contend with, respond to, and tolerate this incessant shameful display of impatience, lack of decorum, and outright childish behavior. Those partcipating in it are giving US, the Camaro and Chevrolet Community a black eye. This is a public board for everyone to read. Someone posted recently how the other car manufacturer boards are getting a kick out of this nonsense. I trust the flagrant complainers are proud of themselves. There is no justification in it. A long time ago I was told a phrase..."if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all". Yeah, that phrase is dated as all heck...but..there is hidden truth in it. Those dissaproving of this counterproductive behavior are being patient, but patience wears thin and can reach the tipping point when the drone of nonstop, often vitrioloc, rhetoric persists unabated. Give it a break please. Some here are serving no legitimate purpose by posting constantly in a demeaning "it's all about me" manner. Oh yes...you have a right...I know...but so do we. A two way street. Like a flake recently said here...they better make mine perfect...or else. That sums it up. Try pulling this on one of the other car boards and you will get run off so quick you won't even know what hit you. There's nothing being touchy about this...it's the proverbial broken record...the Chinese have a saying "death by a thousand cuts". I hope this Groundhog Day ends soon...and common sense prevails. That's my 2 cents worth and all I'm going to say about it until the cows come home. In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn, I present you this truism.......

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Talked to my Dealer who just spoke with the zone rep. He told me it was a supplier issue not a car issue. And all 5 of his orders are still marked preliminary. I'm 2nd priority and he thinks it will be June before my order gets built. They are combining all of the orders together and building them all at once. Placed order 1st week in Feb still at 1102
I placed my order way back in October and it was put into the system on the first day when ordering was available and I'm still at 1100!!
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Didn't realize that this Thread has been on going ad nauseum, because I was out of the loop dealing with my Wife's Passing........Sorry about Repeating the Thread......Harvey
:( Damn. Sorry to here that.
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I just wanted to Thank Everybody for there kind Condolences in regards to my Wife's Passing......Its appreciated-----------------its Tuff but I just deal with each day....Thanks again...Harvey
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North of the border, dealers are free to charge an ADM, but they are limited to the percent of MSRP they can charge. I'll need to check with my wife, who was a car sales woman to find the exact amount but I believe it was a maximum of 15%.
Here in the middle of the Pacific, a certain Dealer (I don't want to mention any names or JN Chevrolet may get a bad name) wanted $20k over MSRP.
I almost fell off my chair laughing...shook his hand and said have a nice day!

Then again, if idiot people are willing to pay that amount, they'll continue to ask for it.
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I too have had an order placed last year and money down for over a year now ! I was suposed to have mine built this month. :( Not happy with how long its taken to get a 2012. Plus that said it will be a year old in july when the new model year starts!!!!!! But at least I am getting one this summer i hope.
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Mine was moved as well. It was supposed to be built March 7 which was the week the delay started but it has been moved to April 9. This sucks
mine was March 12 now May 7, as of last week,
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I just wanted to Thank Everybody for there kind Condolences in regards to my Wife's Passing......Its appreciated-----------------its Tuff but I just deal with each day....Thanks again...Harvey
Harvey, I am very sorry to hear this. I will say a prayer for her and for you this evening. Best wishes.
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