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Old 03-08-2012, 12:10 PM   #51
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Umm... sorry to be a moron, but which pics? I thought LT headers were all the same length... I didn't realize Borla's headers were longer than Kooks. I thought they all made them the same length so that they'd all work with high-flow cats (or off road pipes) and catback exhaust.
nope. they make them different lengths (and back in 4th gen days, with different mating flanges, some with slip fit connectors, others with a 3 bolt flange, others with the 2 bolt bell-clamp connector).

why?

most will say that they tuned theirs to make more power that way, really it comes down to their personal preference... that and it "coerces" the buyer to buy the matching catback system from the same vendor...
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nope. they make them different lengths (and back in 4th gen days, with different mating flanges, some with slip fit connectors, others with a 3 bolt flange, others with the 2 bolt bell-clamp connector).

why?

most will say that they tuned theirs to make more power that way, really it comes down to their personal preference... that and it "coerces" the buyer to buy the matching catback system from the same vendor...
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I've learned something new (once again) from the good folks at C5!
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Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I've learned something new (once again) from the good folks at C5!
Basically think about your old headers stopping short leaving room for cats. High flows or regualr, and the Borla headers not stopping short to leave room but stretching the primaries back further where there is no room for regular cats but maybe high flow cats.

Rigth there where your cutouts were, and are on your friends car, is where some high flow cats would go.

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nah. which catback do you have?
I have the X pipe version.

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Basically think about your old headers stopping short leaving room for cats. High flows or regualr, and the Borla headers not stopping short to leave room but stretching the primaries back further where there is no room for regular cats but maybe high flow cats.

Rigth there where your cutouts were, and are on your friends car, is where some high flow cats would go.

I have the X pipe version.

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1st pic... areas where material can be removed (not including area on headers)

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1st pic... areas where material can be removed (not including area on headers)

2nd pic... See what I did there?
Yes. I knew what you meant. But again, cost goes way up and I get Larry the cable guy working on it.

Plus, what is being accomplished? The tranny brace will still be in the way I think. What I need is to be able to weld in the Y pipe leaving room to go in before the tranny brace.

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Yes. I knew what you meant. But again, cost goes way up and I get Larry the cable guy working on it.

Plus, what is being accomplished? The tranny brace will still be in the way I think. What I need is to be able to weld in the Y pipe leaving room to go in before the tranny brace.

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The tranny brace wont be in the way if you section it just right.

you have a few options.

you still haven't explained why you don't want to cut into the headers.

Here's Borla's headers






and here's a different brand (different car too, but the point is the same)



what is the difference between that length of pipe being one solid piece with the header or being the intake portion of the cutout ypipe?


another thought I had, but I'd have to look close on distances, would be to section the X-pipe part of the exhaust, move it farther back and run the cutouts right of the S pipes.
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another thought I had, but I'd have to look close on distances, would be to section the X-pipe part of the exhaust, move it farther back and run the cutouts right of the S pipes.
I thought about that too. But I'd prefer to dump right by the headers.

Tell me this.... is there any negetive effects to dump right past the o2 bung? Seems like that would be loud as shit.
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I thought about that too. But I'd prefer to dump right by the headers.

Tell me this.... is there any negetive effects to dump right past the o2 bung? Seems like that would be loud as shit.
as long as you have enough room for the y-pipe to connect to the header, I shouldnt see why not. cus its not truly dumping right there, its still going to be going another 8-12" away before exiting.
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as long as you have enough room for the y-pipe to connect to the header, I shouldnt see why not. cus its not truly dumping right there, its still going to be going another 8-12" away before exiting.
But that's right at the tranny brace so I may have to do like you said and move the S pipes back some and put the cutouts right behind the tranny brace.
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But that's right at the tranny brace so I may have to do like you said and move the S pipes back some and put the cutouts right behind the tranny brace.
depends on which way you orient the cutouts (facing in or out) and the clock index (3 o'clock position, 2 o'clock position, etc). also, remember with the 3 bolt flange ones, you can orient the motor independently of the cutout itself. so if you need to make some room, you can have the motor angled up over the exhaust pipe and still have the cutout dumping outward properly.
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depends on which way you orient the cutouts (facing in or out) and the clock index (3 o'clock position, 2 o'clock position, etc). also, remember with the 3 bolt flange ones, you can orient the motor independently of the cutout itself. so if you need to make some room, you can have the motor angled up over the exhaust pipe and still have the cutout dumping outward properly.
They wont face out at all. The bottom of the car wont' allow it.
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They wont face out at all. The bottom of the car wont' allow it.
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The other problem I have is that my headers scrape the ground on those areas when my car high centers. So a flange from the Y pipe and motors will have to angle up. So I need to be able to fit a couple turn downs on there too.
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The other problem I have is that my headers scrape the ground on those areas when my car high centers. So a flange from the Y pipe and motors will have to angle up. So I need to be able to fit a couple turn downs on there too.
the turndowns should not extend (Vertically) past the outer edges of the flange.

Basically, if you were to take the turndown and look directly down the center of the mounting flange, you should not see any part of it stick past the outside of the flange.
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pssst... you do realize that you have coilovers, right?... you can raise your car up a little...

(I know, I know... not desirable, but it is an option... you would, of course, have to have the car realigned if you did change the height.)
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the turndowns should not extend (Vertically) past the outer edges of the flange.

Basically, if you were to take the turndown and look directly down the center of the mounting flange, you should not see any part of it stick past the outside of the flange.
NO, I get that, but the Y pipe has a flange on the end of it. So if I put it on the pope coming off the header then I have to rotate the part with the flange upward so the flange on the Y pipe doesn't scrape. This will mean the exhaust is dumping at a slight upward angle. So Id need to put a turndown on the dumps.

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pssst... you do realize that you have coilovers, right?... you can raise your car up a little...

(I know, I know... not desirable, but it is an option... you would, of course, have to have the car realigned if you did change the height.)
If I have to raise the car, I ditch the cutout idea.

Another reason the noweeds are desirable. The motors an the noweeds are higher than the pipe. So the whole thing is flush or raised.
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NO, I get that, but the Y pipe has a flange on the end of it. So if I put it on the pope coming off the header then I have to rotate the part with the flange upward so the flange on the Y pipe doesn't scrape. This will mean the exhaust is dumping at a slight upward angle. So Id need to put a turndown on the dumps.

If I have to raise the car, I ditch the cutout idea.

Another reason the noweeds are desirable. The motors an the noweeds are higher than the pipe. So the whole thing is flush or raised.
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If the shoe, errrr diverters fit,.......... There is a picture on Noweeds website that is taken from the level of the rocker panel, (car is up on a lift) and you can't see the diverters.
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From the pics I saw, they sit too low for a lowered car. (I just went through this.)

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Ok.

So went to two shops. Both shops said no. Mainly because of the way my headers are bent at the ends and how far they come back. Pics below you can see them. But even if they weren't, the auto tranny leaves not enough room for how low my car sits. Which is non-negotiable. My car stays at it's current height.

We walked under the entire car and looked at every config possible using the current exhaust. One guy said he could get some pipe and build me a system that fit and flowed right but it would end up costing me big and he would not warranty it. He said he liked the noweeds system at that point.

One shop said forget it. They wouldn't even accept the responsibility of how tight it was. The other said they'll do it the way I tell them against their better judgement but as soon as I drive off it's mine.

Every config had them hanging too low or facing each other leaving little or no room for a turndown.

Back side of the S pipes like the QTP rectangle ones posted earlier in this thread are the ONLY option outside of noweeds. Showed them a pic of the rectangle QTP and how it was welded in to the side and he said maybe on a 3" exhaust but he wouldn't fool with it with mine. The one guy said being a right angle out he didn't like that idea anyway. Even cutting the X pipe he said they'd have to bend the pipes to get them to catch up at the new joints because the center X pipe section bends up and then back down in the middle.

My perfect storm of no dice is the type of headers the auto tranny and Borla exhaust is so bent up. Bottom line is both agreed that they'd have to redo too much on this exhaust.

Both shops suggested putting them in the rear by the mufflers.

So there you have it. Mobile Alabama.

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