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Old 05-02-2009, 09:41 AM   #76
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GRm you are exactly right GM really screwed things up by giving a un allocated car to each dealer that you know they will sell in the first week.
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Old 05-02-2009, 09:48 AM   #77
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They ARE producing the pre-orders along with the dealer show-room cars.
I've got a problem with that.....
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:03 AM   #78
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So looking at this numbers it seems they are averaging about 212 cars a day, if thye are doing 351 cars a day now, like rumors say it might not be long before we all see our cars.
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Old 05-02-2009, 04:12 PM   #79
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So looking at this numbers it seems they are averaging about 212 cars a day, if thye are doing 351 cars a day now, like rumors say it might not be long before we all see our cars.
yeah...some people are actually thinking positive.
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Old 05-02-2009, 09:04 PM   #80
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I am venturing to guess they will continue to produce more sellable cars for dealers than they build preorders. They know we want our cars, they want more available to the masses. Although us enthusiasts are a factor, fact remains we are a small factor in the survival of GM. They need to sell a lot more than 15,000 pre orders. It just makes sense for them to build more for the lots.
You got it, CWI, we are not their top priority....understandable to me too.



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HA! a handful from 8k members...certainly 50% of us have cars on order.
I'm 'optimistic' that next week we'll see the floodgates open as GM is going for a 'big bang'...
Yep, right after May 6th probably.



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i CALLED THE 1800 NUMBER N THREATEN TO GO TO THE MEDIA IF NO WAS GOING TO GIVE ME AN ESTIMATED DATE OF DELIVERY! INSTEAD OF JUST SAING IT WAS IN QUALITY CONTROL FOR 6 WEEKS N COULDNT TELL ME HOW LONG IT WOULD BE THERE. NEEDLESS TO SAY 2 PHONE CALLS THE NEXT DAY THAT MY CAR WAS IN TRANSIT BY RAIL CAR! KINDA FUNNY HUH!
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You're missing the point. The point is that they ARE building "x" amount of cars per day. So why are they not building cars they have already sold? It makes no difference to them WHO they build them for...so why not build cars for the customers who have already agreed to pay for them instead of building cars to attract more people to add to the already long list of disgruntled customers who are waiting for them?
Thats just plain common sense from Business 101 "give the customers what they want". And they wonder why GM is in the state they are in? I don't wonder anymore
Are you serious? Why attract more people to buy? That's what they teach in Bus. 101?



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I've got a problem with that.....
Hylton, buddy, relax. I'm surprised you of all people didn't see this coming. I didn't initially, but I wasn't thinking past my enthusiast pre-order. You seem to know a lot about GM and I'd think you would have expected this. The Camaro's future is more than us pre-orders.
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Old 05-02-2009, 09:16 PM   #81
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Are you serious? Why attract more people to buy? That's what they teach in Bus. 101?

I took business 101 to 110... I disagree.

I know the logic of having the car on the FLOOR on May 6th and Avis.

Common knowledge would dictate. Guy wants to SEE the camaro and the dealer puts him in a colbalt. CAR SOLD.

Let's face it, a guy comes in for the Camaro, he's not buying a cobalt or a traverse.

If the TRAVERSE was the car in question then YES, push the guy into a Equinox.

Point I'm trying to make is If the pre-orders were on the street, thats better advertsing and the guy would see it on the street and run to the dealer and place his order.

6K preorders on the streets would SEE more eyeballs then on the dealer floor.

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Old 05-02-2009, 10:44 PM   #82
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The waiting game is BS, my car was built over 5 weeks ago with my name and dealer on it===Where is it?? #1312 and all the rest of the already built ones should have already been in our hands. Yesterday my dealer found out not only that mine is still on hold, but they will not receive their car by May 6. They had a show etc planned at City Park. Guess some dealers are treated like some of us.
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:16 PM   #83
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First time posting. I've been following this story since summer last year. Been tinkering around with the idea of getting a Camaro (I had a 69 back when I was in college) but haven't decided yet. For all you who have waited this long with such excitement, hold onto that excitement and don't be so easily upset. Many things are going on which you most likely don't know.

Avis getting cars: Unless they are getting them for free, they are buying them which makes them a 'customer' just like you only they've ordered hundreds? thousands? while you ordered 'one'. You can be sure Chevy values your order, just like they do customers like Avis.

Production Numbers: This is the first production of a brand new model; nothing is perfect so they are no doubt learning/experiencing things on-the-fly as these are going through production. What things? Oh maybe things like a starter cable being too close to a heat shield and melting which shorts out the car like one of the forum members experienced. Or having to put weights on Brembo brakes to fix something no one saw coming or thought of ahead of time because no one is perfect but now that they know they have redesigned and reordered the revised part which can cause an unplanned delay. Other things they aren't going to talk about because no business blabs everything that's going on; especially "issues" they are working out while they are working them out.

So...if you've been patient this far, cut 'em some slack and continue to be patient while they work on getting this show on the road. This isn't just another car to them; it's literally their salvation right now and they know it. You can be sure they take EVERY order seriously; yours included. All kinds of glitches are to be expected at this stage; anything from something like a cable burning, to a part shortage, or wrong part delivered, or not enough delivered, or any numbers of things that can happen.

I'm sure considering the financial straits of the company and everybody who works there wanting to stay employed, they are ALL working very hard on getting this launch underway so keep the faith; you'll get your cars probably sooner than you are (at this moment anyway) believing.
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:30 PM   #84
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:54 AM   #85
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After reading his thread I soke w/ Tommy about the order process. I called my dealer Cancelled my order! I followed up on other local dealers, and bought a 2SS RS, A6 ,sunroof,polished,Blk/Blk for MSRP. event code 3400 4/30!!

I wish I spoke w/ him earlier in the process so I could have orderd from him, but I just can't wait.
I also found a red/blk 2SS RS m6, being delivered, but they wanted $1k over msrp.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:46 PM   #86
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If you want to pick out one of those parade cars now, they are on the back lot at Lone Star Chevy and have been there a few weeks. There's about 50 of them sitting back there. The one showroom car they have out front has a big sold sticker on it and is locked up.
Damn you're right! 30 minutes after I saw your reply I headed over to Lone Star and saw all of the cars on the back lot. I only saw yellow, black, silver and red. No IOM's like I ordered.

It's funny because I asked the sales guy to let me know when they got some in and never heard a peep from anyone at the dealership about it.

I spoke with the sales manager and he said they are holding them for the parade and each dealership in the Houston area will get a couple cars to take and display or sell afterwards.

Sales Manager also told me he was expecting a couple ordered camaros in, but they were already several days late. Guess GM is having some trouble shipping the cars!

They also had a yellow 2LT in the show room, but it was locked and had the SOLD sign on it like you said.

Oh well, still just waiting on mine.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:49 AM   #87
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My dealer said my order was called up. How long does it take from there? Anyone know the answer?
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:37 AM   #88
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Are you serious? Why attract more people to buy? That's what they teach in Bus. 101?
I took business 101 to 110... I disagree.
Point I'm trying to make is If the pre-orders were on the street, thats better advertsing and the guy would see it on the street and run to the dealer and place his order.
6K preorders on the streets would SEE more eyeballs then on the dealer floor.

-bobby
Bobby, granted eyeballs on the car, even just driving on the street at some distance, will generate interest and may get some people into the showroom, but I'm not so sure that that glimpse of a Camaro will have them ordering. You may be right, but I'm thinking that the less enthusiastic, non pre-order shoppers may not be so willing to commit on a car they haven't sat in or test driven. Regardless, we have to take it the way GM wants it, so we wait, hopefully not much longer.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:45 AM   #89
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After reading his thread I soke w/ Tommy about the order process. I called my dealer Cancelled my order! I followed up on other local dealers, and bought a 2SS RS, A6 ,sunroof,polished,Blk/Blk for MSRP. event code 3400 4/30!!

I wish I spoke w/ him earlier in the process so I could have orderd from him, but I just can't wait.
I also found a red/blk 2SS RS m6, being delivered, but they wanted $1k over msrp.
I would jump onthat 1k over MSRP deal if the car, had just what I wanted rather than waiting.

I know I'll get flamed but if I could get a car right now I woulndt mind paying, 3k over MSRP.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:30 AM   #90
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Just because you pre-ordered doesn't mean the car is sold. I wonder how many people who pre-ordered are now unable to fulfil the deal? I know of at least a few on these boards.

I also want to re-iterate what someone else said also. Avis/Hertz/Whoever-else car rental companies are customers too. They are buying much more stock than you are. Just because your whine-meter is high doesn't mean you're entitled to a single car, when other customers are ordering 50.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:30 PM   #92
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My dealer said my order was called up. How long does it take from there? Anyone know the answer?
Well, if you go through the various posts you'll see how long most of us have been waiting. Mine was supposedly called up and built the week of March 23rd and my order is currently sitting at 3800 - Vehicle Produced.

I spoke with the sales manager at my dealership this weekend and he said he's been waiting on some ordered cars to come in, but they are several days late already.

Hopefully things will start rolling a little faster now and cars will start shipping. No idea of how long it will take and I don't think anyone has a clue as to how this panning out, but just keep your fingers crossed.

For now just come back to this site every once in a while and get your Camaro fix like the rest of us.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:11 PM   #93
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:37 PM   #95
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(From last week) Automotive News is showing April production from 4/-4/25 as 6745, YTD production from 1/1-4/25 as 9160, and week of 4/20-4/25 as 2318. That 2318 in one week equates to 463 a day in a 5 day week. This week's issue will have production through week ending May 1.
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(From last week) Automotive News is showing April production from 4/-4/25 as 6745, YTD production from 1/1-4/25 as 9160, and week of 4/20-4/25 as 2318. That 2318 in one week equates to 463 a day in a 5 day week. This week's issue will have production through week ending May 1.
The problem about those numbers is that they are probably estimates, they might not be accurate.

I just wish GM would confirm all of this.
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:51 PM   #98
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Didn't Mole say that the max output was 400 a day? So how could they be doing 460 a day?

Not complaining if they are mind you. I'd love it if GM would accept the order from my dealer this week.
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