10 V6 CAMARO VS 3000GT VR-4

[Maniature]

camaro:
flowmaster super 44
DT shorties
VR intake
Vmax TB
trifecta tune

3000GT:
i think it has a stock TT
and a nice aftermarket exhaust lol

thoughts?

[Nessal]

Dont they do low to mid 14's?

[Deki]

When they were new, they were doing low to mid 13s at about 104mph. If it's a good running example, and he has a turbo back exhaust, he will pick up a few mph. That being said, I've never seen anyone that had a VR-4 that had an aftermarket exhaust that also didn't have a tune. With a tune and TB they will hit high 12s pretty easily.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Deki

When they were new, they were doing low to mid 13s at about 104mph. If it's a good running example, and he has a turbo back exhaust, he will pick up a few mph. That being said, I've never seen anyone that had a VR-4 that had an aftermarket exhaust that also didn't have a tune. With a tune and TB they will hit high 12s pretty easily.

This.

What's the modded v6 Camaro run? Any numbers?

[Caswell239]

Coming from owning a 3000gt vr4 and still currently do, most that have jut an exhaust won't have a tune. They aren't flash able ecus except 99's which is just being done within the last year. So most people won't spend the money on an ecu unless they are fully modded, turbos injectors and the rest.
Stock boost is 9psi but can be turned to 14 psi no problem and they are quick. The long gears I think are an advantage for the vr4. 3gear stretches to 180km/h.

[Rock36]

Tune or not, my understanding is also that these cars were mid 13s stock, so you have some catching up to do from the get go... If he is tuned then the goal post just gets moved farther is all.

Any plans to actually run each other at the tack.

[Nessal]

Quite impressive for such a old car. My cousin has the SL version which is the non-turbo and that car is a real slouch. I know they are heavy cars, but I think they are around the same weight as us.

[KMPrenger]

If he has a good running example he probably has an advantage. That said, your car with its mods under the right conditions is perfectly capable of a mid to high 13 1/4 mile.

Give it a go and have fun!

[JamesNoBrakes]

He could also make you look real slow from a dig. AWD puts power down immediately. Race on a track (in a straight line) and you're probably ok unless he has mods.

[SS King]

V6 vs a vr4. the vr4 is going to kill you hands down it wont even be a race

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by SS King

V6 vs a vr4. the vr4 is going to kill you hands down it wont even be a race

THIS... probably.

Twin turbo AWD V6 with 300 hp and 307 ft-lbs weighing in at 3700 lbs

VS

V6, rear wheel drive with 312 hp and 273 ft-lbs weighing in at 3800 lbs with a few mods.

It could be close but its the launch thats going to kill you.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by IROCanSS

THIS... probably.

Twin turbo AWD V6 with 300 hp and 307 ft-lbs weighing in at 3700 lbs

VS

V6, rear wheel drive with 312 hp and 273 ft-lbs weighing in at 3800 lbs with a few mods.

It could be close but its the launch thats going to kill you.

With his mods he should be about 350 hp and 305 ft-lbs at the crank and right around 3700 lbs. I think in the quarter he might take a stock one, but there just aren't many of those around that haven't been tuned.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by SS King

V6 vs a vr4. the vr4 is going to kill you hands down it wont even be a race

I don't understand how you can say this. The Vr4 should be quicker off the line due to its AWD, but I've seen magazine tested times of between 13.7 to 14 flat in the quarter mile.

This modded V6 is perfectly capable of that. In a 0 - 60 race or stoplight to stoplight race the V4 has the advantage, but really past that its pretty equal.

weight is 3781lbs...basically equal or slighly more than a Camaro V6. The OPs car should be roughly 30 to 50 lbs lighter than stock.

Next time think about it a bit more before you write off the V6 too soon.

[SS King]

I'v owned a Stealth RT TT its the same motor as the VR-4 and from personal experience it will smash a v6 camaro -Just sayin and now i own a SS I. I test drove the v6 before i got my ss and it felt like a slug compared to my RT TT. Maybe its the AWD I don't know but me being behind the drivers seat in both thats where my experience comes in. Have you been behind both?

I'm talking stock for stock here no mods. I did not realize you had some work done so the outcome could differ

[Indy Bumble Bee]

Back when I was in high school... I was obsessed with the 3000gt vr-4. But I think I would bet on the camaro. The 3000 is also heavy but awd helps alot

[KMPrenger]

Unfortunently, well never get to see the outcome of so many of these versus match ups!

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Again, everything I read has the stock Stealth/3000 running from 13.9 to 14.2. With that wouldn't "smash" or "kill" a stock V6, much less the OPs car.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Again, everything I read has the stock Stealth/3000 running from 13.9 to 14.2. With that wouldn't "smash" or "kill" a stock V6, much less the OPs car.

Is your reading limited to old mag times?

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Stew

Is your reading limited to old mag times?

No! My point is they offer no other evidence except their personal experience. Show me some timeslips of a stock 3000 or Stealth running better than the bolt-on V6 in the fast list. He's got a good set of mods and like I said originally he might take one in the 1/4 mile.

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

With his mods he should be about 350 hp and 305 ft-lbs at the crank and right around 3700 lbs. I think in the quarter he might take a stock one, but there just aren't many of those around that haven't been tuned.

I'll buy that...

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I don't understand how you can say this. The Vr4 should be quicker off the line due to its AWD, but I've seen magazine tested times of between 13.7 to 14 flat in the quarter mile.

This modded V6 is perfectly capable of that. In a 0 - 60 race or stoplight to stoplight race the V4 has the advantage, but really past that its pretty equal.

weight is 3781lbs...basically equal or slighly more than a Camaro V6. The OPs car should be roughly 30 to 50 lbs lighter than stock.

Next time think about it a bit more before you write off the V6 too soon.

Don't try to talk sense...

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

No! My point is they offer no other evidence except their personal experience. Show me some timeslips of a stock 3000 or Stealth running better than the bolt-on V6 in the fast list. He's got a good set of mods and like I said originally he might take one in the 1/4 mile.

Don't pop a spark plug, its not worth it.

The 3000GT TT and the POS Stealth (do any of these actually still run?) are NOT that fast. PERIOD. Yes AWD helps but I remember in High School.. mid 90s, I drove a 92 Corvette and my buddy had a 93/94ish VR4... he thought it was hot shit... I used to wax the floor with his car. Keep in mind, a 92 Corvette was only 300 hp.

After thinking it through, the cars would be VERY close AS DESCRIBED HERE.... A tuned VR4 will eat up the V6... but thats not what we are talking about!

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by IROCanSS

I'll buy that...



Don't try to talk sense...



Don't pop a spark plug, its not worth it.

The 3000GT TT and the POS Stealth (do any of these actually still run?) are NOT that fast. PERIOD. Yes AWD helps but I remember in High School.. mid 90s, I drove a 92 Corvette and my buddy had a 93/94ish VR4... he thought it was hot shit... I used to wax the floor with his car. Keep in mind, a 92 Corvette was only 300 hp.

After thinking it through, the cars would be VERY close AS DESCRIBED HERE.... A tuned VR4 will eat up the V6... but thats not what we are talking about!

Exactly. How many untuned ones are still around? I'm guessing the untuned ones have never seen a track, either.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by IROCanSS

Don't try to talk sense...

hehe

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

No! My point is they offer no other evidence except their personal experience. Show me some timeslips of a stock 3000 or Stealth running better than the bolt-on V6 in the fast list. He's got a good set of mods and like I said originally he might take one in the 1/4 mile.

Do you realize how hard it is to get information like this? These cars were on the drag strips before the internet had message forums. The mags were just as poor then as they are now when it comes to track talk (5th wheel back then, gps vbox today)... The only reason I have timeslips from my stock LT1 Camaro is it was still stock in 2001 when I was running it... otherwise scanning a timeslip to post on the internet in the 90s was not something that happened on any regular basis.

Some of us were around when these cars were running around on the streets and hitting the tracks.. unless my memory is just that bad I know what I saw.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

Do you realize how hard it is to get information like this? These cars were on the drag strips before the internet had message forums. The mags were just as poor then as they are now when it comes to track talk (5th wheel back then, gps vbox today)... The only reason I have timeslips from my stock LT1 Camaro is it was still stock in 2001 when I was running it... otherwise scanning a timeslip to post on the internet in the 90s was not something that happened on any regular basis.

Some of us were around when these cars were running around on the streets and hitting the tracks.. unless my memory is just that bad I know what I saw.

Being in my 50s, I remember them well, too. The stock ones were fast for their day, but not any faster the V6 the OP has.

[SlingShot]

I really don't know, but I get the winner against my Sky Redline ...