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Old 03-18-2012, 05:39 PM   #1
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Cracked rim<Wheel Replaced=poor handling?

Last week ran over a huge pothole, and cracked the front left wheel.
So I have the new wheel on, it was balanced, but now the feel of the car is wrong. Doesnt feel as stable, like its more susceptible to veer left or right in certain road variables. Also riding over rough areas I feel/hear a dead thud from that wheel as opposed to the normal feel i would expect from the other front wheel.

1-DEad thud
2-shaky control.

What could be wrong?
Do I need a wheel alignment?
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:00 AM   #2
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If you hit something hard enough to crack a wheel, you very well could have damaged some suspension parts. I'd bring it to a shop.
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At a minimum, you need an alignment.

Based on your description of the thud, it sounds like something is broken, too.

Take it to a mechanic before the car kills you.
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If you hit something hard enough to crack a wheel, you very well could have damaged some suspension parts. I'd bring it to a shop.
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At a minimum, you need an alignment.

Based on your description of the thud, it sounds like something is broken, too.

Take it to a mechanic before the car kills you.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:09 PM   #5
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check the balance and alignment. Also, if your tire is uni-directional, make sure they installed it correctly.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:57 PM   #6
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If you hit something hard enough to crack a wheel, you very well could have damaged some suspension parts. I'd bring it to a shop.
I would agree...a good alignment tech will be able to tell you for sure...even if it's not visible...have them check the SAI and Included angles, as these will tell them what may be bent(control arm or strut).
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:28 PM   #7
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:56 PM   #8
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So i think im going to go to the dealer tomorow. I think maybe the Caster was knocked out of place,... OR I busted the Shock spring? Either way the car is looser, handles worse over bumpy or uneven roads, and when hitting bumps now I get a bing feel with no cushion.
So *sigh*...so much to do.
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:38 PM   #9
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I feel like I need new struts annually.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:39 PM   #10
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really? good to know man.
yeah it sucks. but I'm usually very careful. but meh I guess it happens.


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Old 03-22-2012, 11:58 AM   #11
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Sorry to hear about this most unfortunate accident you've had CamaroBC. Let us know what your dealer finds. I hope it's nothing too serious and it's a quick bump on the road of Camaro Ownership.

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Old 03-25-2012, 07:30 PM   #12
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This is what happened.

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Old 03-25-2012, 07:31 PM   #13
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I went to my shop to address my issue, and at the very least get my normal OEM alignment specs met to try and eliminate the possible causes of resulting issues ive received after hitting a huge pot hole (exaggerated steer pull on rugged roads, and un-cushioned thud on the left front wheel over bumps).

The end result seemed like a waste of my time and money. This is my dealer GM shop, they were preparing to send me home without telling me that they never touched the camber on the wheel that hit the pot hole. And told me "i wouldnt feel the difference." And I can clearly still feel the difference. The guy said that changing the camber would require extensive work. So hes basically saying hes just lazy? At that point I had stayed there from 9am-2pm and very patient, to come to the conclusion that the car has to be put on another machine that acts as an MRI to locate if there is structural damage in the wheel area or not, which they couldnt do that day, nor by appointment, but only by taking my ride over night and getting back to me when they were able to. So that didnt happen.

I will post my before and after Sheet, But My issue is,
1-If proper alignment is within their capabilities shouldnt they have properly aligned the car...THEN informed me of what other treatment was necessary to get my car back to form?

2-The reason I want a normal alignment is to see if the sound goes away, they aligned every other wheel, but not the pot hole wheel. Can you think of any circumstances that they would align the other wheels but not the camber on the pot hole wheel?

3-After looking at the sheet they seemed to have adjusted the Camber on the rear right wheel,..... Am I missing something? Is there that much more work involved in doing the front than the rear? Plus they put the rear camber outside of OEM specs...to balance out the misalignment of the front left one? What? Im only assuming this because they failed to mention that to me as well.

4-If for any reason that the car sustained damage where they knowingly could not perform a normal alignment to the front wheel, shouldnt they say that?, instead of doing this crappy alignment and charging me full price knowing that I have to come back and get some other work done on the same area?

5-My caster on the pot hole wheel is off 2 degrees or maybe 3 according to OEM specs. This was not mentioned either.

I dont know maybe im wrong, but I feel like they just wanted to charge me for an alignment, and gauge me knowing that I'd have to get some other work done. Dont get me wrong I intend on going back there and raising hell if need be, but I want to get all the facts straight beforehand.

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If its too Blurry it reads:

Before

-1.4 -0.3
5.7 5.9
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:01 PM   #14
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MMMMMM WELL AT THE VERY LEAST YOU NEED A NEW ALIGNMENT.... DID YOU INSTALL THE OLD TIRE ON THE NEW RIM? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU HAVE A BROKEN BELT IN THE TIRE? THESE ARE LOW PROFILE TIRES AND THERE IS NO SPACE FOR ERROR....i HAD A CROSSFIRE THAT I HIT A HUGE POTHOLE AND I BUSTED BOTH RIGHT SIDE WHEELS AND DAMAGED ONE TIRE...IT WAS ABOUT A 600.00 FIX... A FEW MONTHS LATER ONE OF THE WHEELS CRACKED AGAIN... SO DON'T GET THEM FIXED.. REPLACE THEM IF YOU RUN INTO ISSUES LIKE YOU HAVE..... GOOD LUCK
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:19 PM   #15
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MMMMMM WELL AT THE VERY LEAST YOU NEED A NEW ALIGNMENT.... DID YOU INSTALL THE OLD TIRE ON THE NEW RIM? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU HAVE A BROKEN BELT IN THE TIRE? THESE ARE LOW PROFILE TIRES AND THERE IS NO SPACE FOR ERROR....i HAD A CROSSFIRE THAT I HIT A HUGE POTHOLE AND I BUSTED BOTH RIGHT SIDE WHEELS AND DAMAGED ONE TIRE...IT WAS ABOUT A 600.00 FIX... A FEW MONTHS LATER ONE OF THE WHEELS CRACKED AGAIN... SO DON'T GET THEM FIXED.. REPLACE THEM IF YOU RUN INTO ISSUES LIKE YOU HAVE..... GOOD LUCK

yeah thanx. They werent able to fix the rim, so I got a new one. Everyone around says Bent or broken strut. So Im getting a new one.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:00 PM   #16
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sorry I havent been up with the updates on this. I havent been driving much in fear of the cars health, and too busy to get days off to do things.

So I spoke to the guy who last worked on the car, and told him that 2 other shops said the tie rod is bad. On monday he says he will try a new tie rod under warranty, but if that doesnt fix it he'll have to put it on a frame
machine with "laser" to detect an unseen problem.
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A bad tie rod won't affect Camber that much. The tie rods are used to mainly adjust the toe angle and will affect Camber very minimal. It doesn't look to me like anyone has even tried to adjust the Camber on the left front of the car. I believe that where the strut mounts to the steering knuckle, they should be able to adjust the camber there. The upper hole should be slotted. If this is the case and the hit on the left side was severe enough to crack the rim, then I would bet money it was severe enough to change the position of the strut to knuckle. And yes, it will cause a change like that on the printout you are presenting.

I would be surprised if anything is bent. A trained eye can see if things are bent by looking for "stress" marks. I still say the tie rod will not bend this unless they are referring to something else when they say tie rod.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55585

Go to this thread and take a look at post #6. You will see what I mean. Take this into the alignment shop. Perhaps they don't know front Camber can be adjusted.

Now IF they know about this adjustment and have pulled the top of the wheel out as far as they can and still have a negative reading like that, then there is something bent REAL bad and it should be quite obvious what it is by comparing side to side.

Good luck. You may need a different shop.

BTW...I'm assuming the strut did not correct this problem?
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check the balance and alignment. Also, if your tire is uni-directional, make sure they installed it correctly.
X2 The wheel could be reversed.
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A bad tie rod won't affect Camber that much. The tie rods are used to mainly adjust the toe angle and will affect Camber very minimal. It doesn't look to me like anyone has even tried to adjust the Camber on the left front of the car. I believe that where the strut mounts to the steering knuckle, they should be able to adjust the camber there. The upper hole should be slotted. If this is the case and the hit on the left side was severe enough to crack the rim, then I would bet money it was severe enough to change the position of the strut to knuckle. And yes, it will cause a change like that on the printout you are presenting.

I would be surprised if anything is bent. A trained eye can see if things are bent by looking for "stress" marks. I still say the tie rod will not bend this unless they are referring to something else when they say tie rod.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55585

Go to this thread and take a look at post #6. You will see what I mean. Take this into the alignment shop. Perhaps they don't know front Camber can be adjusted.

Now IF they know about this adjustment and have pulled the top of the wheel out as far as they can and still have a negative reading like that, then there is something bent REAL bad and it should be quite obvious what it is by comparing side to side.

Good luck. You may need a different shop.

BTW...I'm assuming the strut did not correct this problem?


SO your saying that angled slot can be moved up and down? Thanx, I will give it a shot. No the strut never ended up being listed as a cause of the problem, so we moved away from that idea.
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oh and btw this is the dealer shop., where i got the car.
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oh and just to be clear no one I saw said the tie rod was bent, they said it was bad and needs to be replaced. I guess at the joint at the bellow?


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