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Old 03-21-2012, 06:31 AM   #1
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How much will gears help 0-60 time?

Not that it is bad now, but I'm just wondering what kind of 0-60 time I can expect to pull by going from stock 3.27 gears to 3.70? (see sig for mods)
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Significantly, although you have to be able to put that to the ground, your acceleration is going to be totally different it will be like driving a different car. You need trailering arms toe rods and drag radials to put that down, dont forget though when you start getting traction things start breaking. Now onto what you want to know, guessing by your mods that probably puts you in the 385 rwhp or so if you can drive I can see you putting down a 3.8-4.3, sixty time.
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Significantly, although you have to be able to put that to the ground, your acceleration is going to be totally different it will be like driving a different car. You need trailering arms toe rods and drag radials to put that down, dont forget though when you start getting traction things start breaking. Now onto what you want to know, guessing by your mods that probably puts you in the 385 rwhp or so if you can drive I can see you putting down a 3.8-4.3, sixty time.
A 3.8 to 4.3 60' time? Serious? Is he driving a bus or a Camaro? Seems like an incredibly slow 60' time. A 2.0' is barely acceptable for a camaro. At least I thought.
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Significantly, although you have to be able to put that to the ground, your acceleration is going to be totally different it will be like driving a different car. You need trailering arms toe rods and drag radials to put that down, dont forget though when you start getting traction things start breaking. Now onto what you want to know, guessing by your mods that probably puts you in the 385 rwhp or so if you can drive I can see you putting down a 3.8-4.3, sixty time.
No way hes 385 rwhp... hes A6 (obvious by the 3.27 rear gear) with intake, catback exhaust and a scanner tune, so with his mods, hes 330-350 rwhp MAX.

He won't come close to 385 without headers, hiflow cats and a real tune... not taking anything away from Ted's tunes, just 385 from an A6 is damn good so it takes a lot to get there!

Furthermore, you dont usually need to worry about breakage on the A6 cars, much less drivetrain stress than on the M6.


OP: I had (HAD) 4.10 gears... it was BLISS untill they exploded. Gears are GREAT on these cars but VERY expensive. Have you priced them yet?
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A 3.8 to 4.3 60' time? Serious? Is he driving a bus or a Camaro? Seems like an incredibly slow 60' time. A 2.0' is barely acceptable for a camaro. At least I thought.
He means 0-60 mph, not 60 feet.
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:16 AM   #6
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What kinds of gains have you auto guys seen in the gear swap at the track.? I have gone 1.60 60 ft already with the stock 3.27 gears
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He means 0-60 mph, not 60 feet.
That makes more sense.
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What kinds of gains have you auto guys seen in the gear swap at the track.? I have gone 1.60 60 ft already with the stock 3.27 gears
That's a tricky question. I think you start running into tire and suspension issues when you start moving up in gears. If you change gearing, you are more than likely going to have to spend money on suspension mods to make the car hook. You might get worse times from the spinning.
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Sorry, I have an M6 so I'm always used to giving advice about what I think my car would be like if I had done said mods, I no clue Autos had 3.27 gears, I'm sorry.
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A 3.8 to 4.3 60' time? Serious? Is he driving a bus or a Camaro? Seems like an incredibly slow 60' time. A 2.0' is barely acceptable for a camaro. At least I thought.
I meant 0-60 times, and you drive an automatic that may be why you think a 2.0 is barely acceptable, I can't get less than a 2.6 without DR's, but this is my FIRST manual car.
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Yep, I was asking about 0-60, not 60'.

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No way hes 385 rwhp... hes A6 (obvious by the 3.27 rear gear) with intake, catback exhaust and a scanner tune, so with his mods, hes 330-350 rwhp MAX.

He won't come close to 385 without headers, hiflow cats and a real tune... not taking anything away from Ted's tunes, just 385 from an A6 is damn good so it takes a lot to get there!

Furthermore, you dont usually need to worry about breakage on the A6 cars, much less drivetrain stress than on the M6.


OP: I had (HAD) 4.10 gears... it was BLISS untill they exploded. Gears are GREAT on these cars but VERY expensive. Have you priced them yet?
Haven't dyno'd so I can say what I'm putting to the wheels. I know gears aren't going to add any actual HP, but from what I've read, it will make the car feel a lot stronger, and that's what I'm concerned with. It's nice that these care will do 170+, but I'd rather have that seat of the pants feeling when driving around town and staying within legal limits.

I saw that the 3.70s run about 6 or 7 hundred online, but I have a gear/trans shop right around the corner from me and they are working in getting me a quote. I think they said labor would run about 80 bucks an hour.
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I saw no gains in my sixty (not 0-60, but it's a good indicator) when I went from 3.27 to 3.45. But I'm sure a bigger gear like 3.73 or 3.91 or 4.10 would make a difference. Personally, I think 3.73's (or 3.70, whichever) are a good all around gear for a bolt-on automatic.

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That's a tricky question. I think you start running into tire and suspension issues when you start moving up in gears. If you change gearing, you are more than likely going to have to spend money on suspension mods to make the car hook. You might get worse times from the spinning.

I dont care about spining, I have a pure slick on the car and suspension.
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I meant 0-60 times, and you drive an automatic that may be why you think a 2.0 is barely acceptable, I can't get less than a 2.6 without DR's, but this is my FIRST manual car.
I've only been to the track once-- before my suspension mods and got a 2.2 60' on all-season tires and 4.10 gears on the first try. Did you ease into the throttle or were you spinning your tires?... Anyway, gears made a night and day difference in the get up and go factor for me--still my favorite mod, to date!
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I meant 0-60 times, and you drive an automatic that may be why you think a 2.0 is barely acceptable, I can't get less than a 2.6 without DR's, but this is my FIRST manual car.
You need more practice. If the engine is stock/bolt on's, hold the engine at 4000 RPM, and ROLL out of the clutch agressively to launch the car...tip into the throttle as necessary until the clutch is fully engaged, and THEN at that same instant, get the throttle on the floor. Turn all the electronic nonsense off...if it's got more mods than that, like a cam or more, then the RPM to launch at will change...experiment.

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I've only been to the track once-- before my suspension mods and got a 2.2 60' on all-season tires and 4.10 gears on the first try. Did you ease into the throttle or were you spinning your tires?... Anyway, gears made a night and day difference in the get up and go factor for me--still my favorite mod, to date!
I have a stock suspension/stock gear in my car, and it's been 1.75 to 60' on the Nitto's.

To be honest, in launching a car that's capable of spinning the tires...more gear makes it easier to control...my car has been 1.75's, but not without me being completely focused on it and saying "wow I got it right" as the car leaves the line...with a 4.10 gear it'd be a lot easier to deal with the fast clutch roll. In a car where traction is not an issue, like a full slick car that leaves the line at full throttle easily, more gear will get it out of the hole faster, and may introduce a traction problem requiring more driver attention.

Don't buy gears expecting it to make the car a total animal off the line though. While more gear makes it easier to control the launch (once you know how to launch the car), it also makes it easier to blow the tires off and get nowhere.
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The car may "FEEL" faster with gears but there is no way its going to drop ETs the way a converter or LT headers will. Other than blowing the launch gears could also make the car slower by forcing another gear shift on the big end. Like if you can go through the traps at the top of 3rd or 4th gear you wouldnt want a gear that forced a shift to 4th or 5th gear.
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The car may "FEEL" faster with gears but there is no way its going to drop ETs the way a converter or LT headers will. Other than blowing the launch gears could also make the car slower by forcing another gear shift on the big end. Like if you can go through the traps at the top of 3rd or 4th gear you wouldnt want a gear that forced a shift to 4th or 5th gear.
A bolt on's LS3 car has to shift 4th RIGHT before the traps with stock gears...and would still be in 4th through the traps with a pretty significant gear change. Literally I saw the traps coming and thought "no I can hold on to third" and I hit the rev limiter and got really pissed...so I hit 4th on the next pass. Even going to a 4.11 in an LS3 car though, it'd be good for 10's without grabbing another gear.

I'm not sure how the gear ratio's are in an L99 car though.
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A bolt on's LS3 car has to shift 4th RIGHT before the traps with stock gears...and would still be in 4th through the traps with a pretty significant gear change. Literally I saw the traps coming and thought "no I can hold on to third" and I hit the rev limiter and got really pissed...so I hit 4th on the next pass. Even going to a 4.11 in an LS3 car though, it'd be good for 10's without grabbing another gear.

I'm not sure how the gear ratio's are in an L99 car though.
Well in the LS3's case gears would help no matter what. I dont know either on a bolt on L99 what gear and rpm its in/at going through the traps. I can say that if on a bolt on L99 car if its able to go through the traps at the top of 3rd then gears only would hurt ET by forcing a shift right before the traps.
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The car may "FEEL" faster with gears but there is no way its going to drop ETs the way a converter or LT headers will. Other than blowing the launch gears could also make the car slower by forcing another gear shift on the big end. Like if you can go through the traps at the top of 3rd or 4th gear you wouldnt want a gear that forced a shift to 4th or 5th gear.
I doubt if LTs would give as much of a seat-of-the-pants gain as gears. The 3.70s give an effective TQ gain of 13%, which is 53.3 ft-lbs. I know the LTs provide actual HP/TQ increases and not just TQ multiplication like gears. Anyone done both? Which did you like better? Gears or LTs.

Also, around here we get e-checks, and technically, LTs are illegal everywhere because they move the cats. Not really a can of worms I want to open right now.

Not sure if I'll ever take this car to the track, so I'm more concerned with how it feels on the street. Iimprovements in 0-60 or 70 or 80 or whatever are going to be a lot more usable on a day-to-day basis
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Well in the LS3's case gears would help no matter what. I dont know either on a bolt on L99 what gear and rpm its in/at going through the traps. I can say that if on a bolt on L99 car if its able to go through the traps at the top of 3rd then gears only would hurt ET by forcing a shift right before the traps.
In my case, a bolt-on run with my L99/A6 was midway through 4th before the traps - not ideal. When I switched the stock L99 3.27's for 3.45's, it's a little better. But I mainly did it for the supercharger. I'm should be good till 130mph or so in 4th, meaning that I'll be in the top of my powerband going through the traps, with no danger of shifting right before the traps.

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In my case, a bolt-on run with my L99/A6 was midway through 4th before the traps - not ideal. When I switched the stock L99 3.27's for 3.45's, it's a little better. But I mainly did it for the supercharger. I'm should be good till 130mph or so in 4th, meaning that I'll be in the top of my powerband going through the traps, with no danger of shifting right before the traps.

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I have figured out that 3.70 gears should put me right at redline in 4th doing about 130mph once I get a supercharger so thats something I will look at getting also. If the OP is looking for more of the "FEEL" rather than the actual gain then yes some 3.70 gears will for sure be the mod to do.
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A converter would be better than gears and since it is looser than the stock one, it will be at a higher rpm at the same mph in each gear. Shift extension with a good converter is only going to be 5000 to 5200 so you should be mid to upper 5k range in 4th across the traps with a bolt on l99
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A 3.8 to 4.3 60' time? Serious? Is he driving a bus or a Camaro? Seems like an incredibly slow 60' time. A 2.0' is barely acceptable for a camaro. At least I thought.
Exactly with just bolt on headers exhaust oem 3:45 gears tune and stock tires I got 1.8 60 ft
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Well, before I put on my Maggie, I was running full bolt ons and JRE engine and trans tune and did the suspension work, DSS axles and full custom JRE rear end originally with 3.73 gears.

I would estimate I was putting down 360-370 RWHP.

Comparing that set up to a 2010 Mustang GT, my fat camaro felt noticably lighter then the stang. Granted the 2010 stang is quite a bit under powered compared to the camaro but the camaro probably has 800 lbs on it as well.

I had an issue with the factory spider gear letting loose and that stress cracked the 3.73 ring gear so we replaced the differential with a new complete rear end, this time with 3.91 gears.

Flat out amazing as far as planting you in the seat. Wen and test drove a new 2011 stang 5.0 and my camaro still felt much lighter driving around town. The 2011 5.0 is over 400 hp at the crank and gears pretty well so I was very impressed with my upgraded camaro.

Once the supercharger went on, it was totally insane until I got the 315s on the rear end and even then, if you wanted to you can break em loose. Have no idea what the track time improvements would be but on the street, once you learn how to drive the car and how hard you can push things, its almost scary. Well, it would be if it was not so damn much fun!!!

Get the gears, not cheap but if you get them installed properly, you will never be unhappy with the results. Have someone that knows what they are doing install the new gears. I can HIGHLY recommend the boys at JRE.
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I've read all kinds of different things about gears, but is this correct?

Basically, the gears are not changing the engines HP or TQ, they are just multiplying the TQ to the rear wheels. So with 3.70s, I'm getting a 13% TQ increase at the rear wheels. That's huge! There are not many mods that are going to do that. The part that's a little confusing is that I've read the dyno won't show any HP or TQ increase, so say my car is 360 TQ at the wheels before gears (just picking a number). After gears, a dyno would still show 360, maybe a few less? While the dyno may not show a TQ change, there is actually 13% more TQ getting to the ground?
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