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Old 03-22-2012, 11:16 AM   #1
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Check Engine Light-Please Help

I've put ~8K miles on my Camaro when my check engine line came on yesterday. After reading some threads in this forum I feel there are two possible sources as to why this happened. I called OnStar and they said something about my emissions not being normal.

#1 I have not been using TopTier gas. I've used 87 Arco gas. When I read the owners manual it said it was OK to use 87 but performance would be limited. (I drive nearly 100miles a day) After seeing the Image below I thought to myself, "Oh, S***! Could this be the reason why I have Higher emissions?" California is very strict.



#2 I installed a K&N Tornado CAI about a 1,000 miles ago. The box came with a a slip that said legal in every state EXCEPT by the CA Emissions control. Is the CAI adding enough emissions for the Camaro's computer system to notice? From everything I had read any K&N filter passes smog no matter what. That K&N simply didn't want to pay the fees to CA. Was I misinformed?



I'd appreciate any educated opinions as to why my emissions are causing my check engine light to come on. I'm afraid of taking it to the dealer because if it is the CAI they may void my warranty. That light is quite annoying. Thanks.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:23 AM   #2
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What was the code?

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Old 03-22-2012, 11:25 AM   #3
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Take the cai off, put your stock intake back on. If the cel goes off, you know it's the cai. If not, then take it to the dealer.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:27 AM   #4
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check your gas cap did you tighten it all the way the last time you filled up. That will make your light pop on
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:28 AM   #5
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What was the code?

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I don't believe it came with one considering it's not CA legal. What I believe is the part # is 69-4519tp
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:29 AM   #6
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check your gas cap did you tighten it all the way the last time you filled up. That will make your light pop on
Just checked it, it's tight. Good to know for the future though.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:32 AM   #7
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He ment what check engine code are you popping...call onstar ask for the code or go to a pep boys or somthing they check for free...post the code here or do a search for the code here.


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Old 03-22-2012, 11:36 AM   #8
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I reset my battery so the light is currently off. I'm afraid it will come back on as soon as I drive. If it does I will ask for the code.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:45 AM   #9
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:52 AM   #10
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The CAI probably has nothing to do with it.

The only reason CAI's are not emissions legal is they have no carbon absorber pad, and they are not sealed off like the factory airbox.

If you look inside your stock airbox, you'll see an absorbent pad stuck to the side. That is a carbon absorber. Cleans carbon out of the air. Has nothing to do with what comes out the tail pipe, just cleaning the air by removing carbon.

As previously mentioned you'll need to know the codes to figure it out any further.

I would retighten the gas cap and switch to a top tier premium gas. It makes no sense to add a little hp with a CAI and then kill tons of hp with 87 octane.

After it has run through a tank of premium see if the light and code keep coming back. If it does, put the stock intake back on and take it to a dealership.
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I know what your problem is, it is the K & N. Because the filter comes pre-oiled, some of the residue from the oil gets on your MAF and this causes the CEL. Go get some MAF cleaner, pull out the MAF and spray it. This will clean the MAF and the problem is resolved. I have the same issue and have to clean mine about every 8,000 miles also. Get a OBD reader and clear off the CEL.
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:10 PM   #13
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I'll try the premium gas first then the cleaning the MAF. Thanks guys.
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It's not the gas, it's the K & N. If you don't clean it, the problem with not be fixed. The cleaner is like 6 bucks and takes like 1o minutes to pull, spray and replace.
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My CEL came on a week or so again, and the code said the O2 sesnor failed to heat up. Onstar diagnostic came back saying problem with emission system. Very vague, my service guy went under the car and saw that my driver side rear sensor was damaged and wasn't heating up anymore.

My point it could be as simple as that, if Onstar is talking about emissions being weird, I would take it to a shop and do a physical check of the emission system.
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It's not the gas, it's the K & N. If you don't clean it, the problem with not be fixed. The cleaner is like 6 bucks and takes like 1o minutes to pull, spray and replace.
Is the cleaner available at an Auto Zone or Pep Boys or do I have to visit the dealer?
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:32 PM   #17
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I've put ~8K miles on my Camaro when my check engine line came on yesterday. After reading some threads in this forum I feel there are two possible sources as to why this happened. I called OnStar and they said something about my emissions not being normal.

#1 I have not been using TopTier gas. I've used 87 Arco gas. When I read the owners manual it said it was OK to use 87 but performance would be limited. (I drive nearly 100miles a day) After seeing the Image below I thought to myself, "Oh, S***! Could this be the reason why I have Higher emissions?" California is very strict.



#2 I installed a K&N Tornado CAI about a 1,000 miles ago. The box came with a a slip that said legal in every state EXCEPT by the CA Emissions control. Is the CAI adding enough emissions for the Camaro's computer system to notice? From everything I had read any K&N filter passes smog no matter what. That K&N simply didn't want to pay the fees to CA. Was I misinformed?





I'd appreciate any educated opinions as to why my emissions are causing my check engine light to come on. I'm afraid of taking it to the dealer because if it is the CAI they may void my warranty. That light is quite annoying. Thanks.
The fix, chuck the oiled air filter, use a dry filter, replacements are available through several manufactures, remove the MAF and carefully clean it with electrical parts cleaner spray, reinstall and clear codes.
the dry air filter element will not flow as well as an oiled unit, a loss of 3 to 4 rwhp but in your case that shouldnt matter as you are using crap gas costing yourself about a 30 rwhp lose already.

If your are serious about correcting the error of your ways and treating your SS properly as it should be, clean the MAF sensor, switch to a top tier premium fuel, have your "dealer" not a mickey mouse independant shop, perform a complete fuel induction system service to clean out the valve deposits, injectors and throttle body. Your addition cost at the pump of a top tier fuel should be offset by a slight increase in fuel economy, more power = less throttle to get it going and keep it cruising.


It will pass smog as far as the tailpipe goes but fails the visual due to a lack of a carbon trap. Currently there are not any legal CAI systems, the cost to get them carb certified is huge, more goes into it than you realize.



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The CAI probably has nothing to do with it.

The only reason CAI's are not emissions legal is they have no carbon absorber pad, and they are not sealed off like the factory airbox.

If you look inside your stock airbox, you'll see an absorbent pad stuck to the side. That is a carbon absorber. Cleans carbon out of the air. Has nothing to do with what comes out the tail pipe, just cleaning the air by removing carbon.

As previously mentioned you'll need to know the codes to figure it out any further.

I would retighten the gas cap and switch to a top tier premium gas. It makes no sense to add a little hp with a CAI and then kill tons of hp with 87 octane.

After it has run through a tank of premium see if the light and code keep coming back. If it does, put the stock intake back on and take it to a dealership.
You are both right and wrong on your current statement, right is the facts about the carbon pad, the wrong portion is the statement about the CAI causing the check engine light to come on.
On CAI's or air filter replacements that use an oiled air filter, over time oil residue will flow through and contaminate the MAF sensor in the air intake tube causing an incorrect reading which in turn will set the light.


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I know what your problem is, it is the K & N. Because the filter comes pre-oiled, some of the residue from the oil gets on your MAF and this causes the CEL. Go get some MAF cleaner, pull out the MAF and spray it. This will clean the MAF and the problem is resolved. I have the same issue and have to clean mine about every 8,000 miles also. Get a OBD reader and clear off the CEL.
Switch to a dry element filter, the MAF sensor is delicate and will eventually fail. The oiled filter is not worth it.

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It's not the gas, it's the K & N. If you don't clean it, the problem with not be fixed. The cleaner is like 6 bucks and takes like 1o minutes to pull, spray and replace.
Running the crap gas doesnt help.

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Is the cleaner available at an Auto Zone or Pep Boys or do I have to visit the dealer?
Any auto parts store carrys Electrical parts cleaner spray.



Hopefully this helps everyone.

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Old 03-22-2012, 01:02 PM   #19
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you are using crap gas costing yourself about a 30 rwhp lose already.

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Ouch bro, 87??? Arco??? Thats like putting water in the tank. I know times are tuff with these gas prices but ur car deserves better. Maybe time to get another pos DD??
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Ouch bro, 87??? Arco??? Thats like putting water in the tank. I know times are tuff with these gas prices but ur car deserves better. Maybe time to get another pos DD??
I have a DD, it's just tough to drive that POS when there's a Camaro SS in my driveway. I've definitely been enlightened, though. Premium TopTier from now on. I'll try the fuse thing after one tank of premium. I just cleaned my MAF too. Thanks guys, I feel like I just went through marriage counsel and damn it I've been a bad husband. Nothing but the best for her from here on out.
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My check engine light came on last week and onstar said it was also emissions related. Turned out to be the CAI tube somehow got separated. Retightened it and cell went away after a bit of driving
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My check engine light came on last week and onstar said it was also emissions related. Turned out to be the CAI tube somehow got separated. Retightened it and cell went away after a bit of driving

Ditto on tube comimg loose. Mine had set for about 2 weeks and as soon as I fired it noticed the check engine light. I also found the tube loose at throttle body, reconnected and light went out. HAPPY ENDING.
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