Evo vs. SS

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Good point. Probably why I had to take a 6 hour road trip just to see one in person... No one has one.



And i doubt anyone in the Evo community cares about your opinion. People alot more qualified and alot less biased have already praised it as one of the best performance cars for your money you can buy.

And nobody here cares about your opinion or that of Evo owners either, so I don't see why you don't just save it.

This is a Camaro forum. If anyone cared about Evo owners opinions they could go to the Evo forum.

Obviously you have a lack of direction when it comes to your whereabouts on the internet. Not everyone wants to hear you preach about your imports on every forum, and so far thats all you've been doing on this website.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by matt55

Never huh ?

To take it MPG one step farther , I drove from Raleigh to Concord to watch a NASCAR Allstar race , after the race sat in parking lot/trafic for 2hrs with the car running , filled up the next day on the way home and got 27 MPG .

Ive looked for over 6 year for a better all over preformance car for the $$ , Iam still looking , b/c not like others, Iam not a brand whore if is better ill take it .

The Evolution is rated for 18/24 bone stock.

My V8 F-body is rated for 19/28. Yet my engine is almost 3 times the size and makes 64HP more, stock. And my car weighs more.

How do you figure that?? High tech, advancements in engieering?? More like a joke to me.

And I don't believe that you exceeded the government ratings by 3MPG. They drive the cars below 60MPH in 5th gear, which gives you the best fuel economy. You don't go below about 70MPH on any highways these days, and with your short gearing, you are turning well in excess of 3,000RPM at that speed.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Before I point out that your extreme bias and immaturity will eventually get you banned, id like to remind you that in this case, all opinion.

Trolling is against the rules on most forums too. Somehow you're still here.

I'm here to talk about the new Camaro and other nice cars. You're here to talk up your imports and cause trouble.

However, its not opinion that i dont know a single person who likes the 'right angle' styling of the new Caddy's.

Then you obviously don't know many people. Everyone I talk to likes the styling. So its a checkmate.

All i ever see/hear is 'great bang for the buck but damn is it ugly' all over the place.

Its one thing to stretch the truth. Its another thing to flat out lie.

For Top Gear to like a car that is not European, its really something special. And if i remember correctly, they LOVED the Evo X. Just like everyone else who has actually driven the car....

I've driven plenty of Evos and I never cared for the car, as have many other people. You can't expect everyone to have the same taste in vehicles, not everyone likes riced up 4 door economy cars with small engines. I don't see how thats so hard to understand for you.

Its like you can't get over the fact that not everyone likes the same things that you do, so you just keep pushing your opinion and biases on everyone until someone calls you out. This is Camaro5, not mygayevo.com or 370Znation.com, I think you need to take that into consideration.

[ponycrusher21]

the cobalt ss turbocharged is better than the evo.

the camaro is better than the cobalt.

nuff said

proof?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...re+page-2.html

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by ponycrusher21

the cobalt ss turbocharged is better than the evo.

the camaro is better than the cobalt.

nuff said

proof?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...re+page-2.html

Good link.

I agree

[dankss]

Originally Posted by ponycrusher21

the cobalt ss turbocharged is better than the evo.

the camaro is better than the cobalt.

nuff said

proof?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...re+page-2.html

i would rather chop off my legs and arms then drive a cobalt ss over a evo.

and i do not like evo's one bit.

cobalts lack the cool factor big time.. i would say their worse than a honda

[matt55]

Originally Posted by Wesman

The Evolution is rated for 18/24 bone stock.

My V8 F-body is rated for 19/28. Yet my engine is almost 3 times the size and makes 64HP more, stock. And my car weighs more.

How do you figure that?? High tech, advancements in engieering?? More like a joke to me.

And I don't believe that you exceeded the government ratings by 3MPG. They drive the cars below 60MPH in 5th gear, which gives you the best fuel economy. You don't go below about 70MPH on any highways these days, and with your short gearing, you are turning well in excess of 3,000RPM at that speed.

1 GM makes a dam good small block no two ways about , I never said different .

2 Iam not here to tell anyone "my car is better" .

3 This thread is about an Evo vs SS and I have a Evo so I guess it cool to talk about them is this thread ?! So when someone posts something inacurate (to me) from my last 6 years of experience about a car I own and know very well Iam just putting in my 2 cent based off 1st hand acounts not my friend of a friend told me .....

4 I cant say any more about MY mpg it is was it is , Id useeed one of dem elecmortoric caculputer deviceces thingys just incase I mess up dem number in my head .

BTW I was the one that made the 15000 car 15000 drivetrain joke
, I not a fanboy of mitsubishi i dont really like them . I just like cars and really like the new Camaro !

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by matt55

1 GM makes a dam good small block no two ways about , I never said different .

2 Iam not here to tell anyone "my car is better" .

3 This thread is about an Evo vs SS and I have a Evo so I guess it cool to talk about them is this thread ?! So when someone posts something inacurate (to me) from my last 6 years of experience about a car I own and know very well Iam just putting in my 2 cent based off 1st hand acounts not my friend of a friend told me .....

4 I cant say any more about MY mpg it is was it is , Id useeed one of dem elecmortoric caculputer deviceces thingys just incase I mess up dem number in my head .

BTW I was the one that made the 15000 car 15000 drivetrain joke
, I not a fanboy of mitsubishi i dont really like them . I just like cars and really like the new Camaro !

Alright, fair enough

[ponycrusher21]

Originally Posted by dankss

i would rather chop off my legs and arms then drive a cobalt ss over a evo.

and i do not like evo's one bit.

cobalts lack the cool factor big time.. i would say their worse than a honda

but you have to understand that i made that comparison to prove that the Camaro comes out on top.

you dont have to own either.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Wesman

And nobody here cares about your opinion or that of Evo owners either, so I don't see why you don't just save it.

This is a Camaro forum. If anyone cared about Evo owners opinions they could go to the Evo forum.

Obviously you have a lack of direction when it comes to your whereabouts on the internet. Not everyone wants to hear you preach about your imports on every forum, and so far thats all you've been doing on this website.

Well lets tackle this one at a time.


A. Im not stating my opinion. Im stating facts. Your the one with the bias


B. Yes this is a Camaro forum, but this is also a thread ABOUT the Evo started in the "Camaro vs...." section. If you cant run with the big dogs get on the porch.


C. If you and your 50 posts think you can classify everything ive done on this site by how ive supported the Z and Evo in the past week than your dumber than i thought.

Originally Posted by Wesman

Trolling is against the rules on most forums too. Somehow you're still here.

I'm here to talk about the new Camaro and other nice cars. You're here to talk up your imports and cause trouble.



Then you obviously don't know many people. Everyone I talk to likes the styling. So its a checkmate.



Its one thing to stretch the truth. Its another thing to flat out lie.



I've driven plenty of Evos and I never cared for the car, as have many other people. You can't expect everyone to have the same taste in vehicles, not everyone likes riced up 4 door economy cars with small engines. I don't see how thats so hard to understand for you.

Its like you can't get over the fact that not everyone likes the same things that you do, so you just keep pushing your opinion and biases on everyone until someone calls you out. This is Camaro5, not mygayevo.com or 370Znation.com, I think you need to take that into consideration.

I guess this is where it just comes down to it. Im thinking about posting a poll strictly on how people like the styling on other forums to 'wow' you.




I love the CTS-V, if you want to go through my history you'll find many posts supporting it. However. That doesnt change the fact that I dont know a single person who said, 'Damn thats a good looking car' when they saw it. I have no reason to 'lie' as nice as that would be for you and your... opinion based argument. why dont you go out and compared sales of the CTS-V to sales of the M3?

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Well lets tackle this one at a time.

A. Im not stating my opinion. Im stating facts. Your the one with the bias

Show me where you've ever stated any facts. Your posts are nothing more than you ranting and raving about how good some import is that nobody likes anyway.

B. Yes this is a Camaro forum, but this is also a thread ABOUT the Evo started in the "Camaro vs...." section. If you cant run with the big dogs get on the porch.

And if you can't take the heat stay of the kitchen. Every time someone says something you don't like about an import, you're in here jumping down their throat. You need to get a life, your job is not to come on Camaro5 and defend imports all day long.

C. If you and your 50 posts think you can classify everything ive done on this site by how ive supported the Z and Evo in the past week than your dumber than i thought.

I've seen your other posts. More of the same. Nothing but your opinion on various subjects.

I love the CTS-V, if you want to go through my history you'll find many posts supporting it. However. That doesnt change the fact that I dont know a single person who said, 'Damn thats a good looking car' when they saw it. I have no reason to 'lie' as nice as that would be for you and your... opinion based argument. why dont you go out and compared sales of the CTS-V to sales of the M3?

The BMW M series has been around much, much longer than the Cadillac V series. Therefore its more well known. As for sales figures, Cadillac groups the V with the regular CTS.

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by superchargedman

Is anyone also considering the Evo? If you've driven both, please comment! I'm torn, as it seems as though the SS is a big axe, while the Evo is a scalpel. Do I go for raw power or great handling?

The vikings didn't wield scalpels.

[ponycrusher21]

wesman - you just owned him.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by ponycrusher21

wesman - you just owned him.

I try

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by ponycrusher21

wesman - you just owned him.

Posting from an iphone takes some time... Had to switch over to the computadora

Originally Posted by Wesman

Show me where you've ever stated any facts. Your posts are nothing more than you ranting and raving about how good some import is that nobody likes anyway.



And if you can't take the heat stay of the kitchen. Every time someone says something you don't like about an import, you're in here jumping down their throat. You need to get a life, your job is not to come on Camaro5 and defend imports all day long.



I've seen your other posts. More of the same. Nothing but your opinion on various subjects.



The BMW M series has been around much, much longer than the Cadillac V series. Therefore its more well known. As for sales figures, Cadillac groups the V with the regular CTS.

1. What argument have I not used facts to authenticate? Was it the 370z argument that you went missing from as soon as your Drag argument went dry? or the Evo to which your best response is "No one cares about the Evo"


2. For the record I happen to get pissed when people get biased. I dont like it when the BMW guys hate on the Camaro, and I dont like it when some random Trans Am driver feels like him and his rattle trap ride can hate on a car far superior like the Z.


3. Id do some more work.


4. This just seems like a lack of common sense... I guess i have to specify...

Go compare the 2008 SALES OF THE M3 TO THE 2008 SALES OF THE CTS-V...


....And If you really cant find the number on the V (which i personally dont believe is true) than add in the CTS and 3-series numbers to the mix.



5. Ive posted multiple Polls onto a couple other sites. We'll see how people really like the styling. If what you said is true, it should be overwhelming in favor for the V... Right?

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

1. What argument have I not used facts to authenticate? Was it the 370z argument that you went missing from as soon as your Drag argument went dry? or the Evo to which your best response is "No one cares about the Evo"

I'm always posting links with stats and hard numbers, as well as reviews. You just say whats on your mind, and think that people should take it as gospel.

2. For the record I happen to get pissed when people get biased. I dont like it when the BMW guys hate on the Camaro, and I dont like it when some random Trans Am driver feels like him and his rattle trap ride can hate on a car far superior like the Z.

"Rattle trap ride"??

My car will whoop your gay Nissan up and down the drag strip and the track all day. So I suggest you stop talking out of your ass.

And you call the Z (370Z, not Z28, which is the real Z) "far superior"?? Far superior to what?? Its slower, uglier, costs more, and stops worse than the '10 Camaro SS. I'd call that far inferior, just like the sorry excuse for an engine called the VQ. I've seen some rough engines, but that pile of a motor makes a 3 banger seem smooth.

4. This just seems like a lack of common sense... I guess i have to specify...

Go compare the 2008 SALES OF THE M3 TO THE 2008 SALES OF THE CTS-V...

....And If you really cant find the number on the V (which i personally dont believe is true) than add in the CTS and 3-series numbers to the mix.

GM groups the CTS and V as one sales figure. I don't know how else I can say it, thats plain english. What does the 3 series have to do with anything?? First the M5, now the 3 series?? You're out of your mind.

5. Ive posted multiple Polls onto a couple other sites. We'll see how people really like the styling. If what you said is true, it should be overwhelming in favor for the V... Right?

You need a life

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Wesman

I'm always posting links with stats and hard numbers, as well as reviews. You just say whats on your mind, and think that people should take it as gospel.



"Rattle trap ride"??

My car will whoop your gay Nissan up and down the drag strip and the track all day. So I suggest you stop talking out of your ass.

And you call the Z (370Z, not Z28, which is the real Z) "far superior"?? Far superior to what?? Its slower, uglier, costs more, and stops worse than the '10 Camaro SS. I'd call that far inferior, just like the sorry excuse for an engine called the VQ. I've seen some rough engines, but that pile of a motor makes a 3 banger seem smooth.



GM groups the CTS and V as one sales figure. I don't know how else I can say it, thats plain english. What does the 3 series have to do with anything?? First the M5, now the 3 series?? You're out of your mind.



You need a life

Ugh. Responding to your posts feels like cleaning up after drunk people.


Ok. First. Hard numbers and reviews... So your saying I didnt link Reviews of both the 370z AND Evo X?


Yes... Rattle Trap . Ugly as $hit too. Buddy of mine has one. Only reason is because he got it for (and im not kidding) $150. Thing breaks down and falls appart more often than I thought was possible. What year is yours?

The Z is just as fast, out handles the Camaro, with better Quality, style and fuel milage. Not to mention the Z will be a more exclusive ride, unlike the Camaro which you'll see everywhere like the Mustang in a year or two. What about that is inferior? As for your comments about the VQ... Im going to guess you've never driven the 370z. Durring my multiple hour test drive of the Z which i did about a week ago, I never once encountered this 'rough' engine you speak of. Maybe your talking about the wrong car?


The CTS + CTS-V = 3 Series + M3.... Anyone else think that's rocket science?

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Ugh. Responding to your posts feels like cleaning up after drunk people.

You should read the crap you write. Its not even coherent, just you rambling about nonsense.

Ok. First. Hard numbers and reviews... So your saying I didnt link Reviews of both the 370z AND Evo X?

No. I'm talking about all your other posts where you do nothing more than spew your pro-import bullshit and bash on American cars with your unsubstantiated claims.

Yes... Rattle Trap . Ugly as $hit too. Buddy of mine has one. Only reason is because he got it for (and im not kidding) $150. Thing breaks down and falls appart more often than I thought was possible. What year is yours?

Sounds like your buddy is white trash, just like you.

Sorry, but I have a nice car. Not some beat to shit $150 3rd gen or a gay ass ricer Nissan. Once again you prove how ignorant you are.

The Z is just as fast, out handles the Camaro, with better Quality, style and fuel milage. What about that is inferior? As for your comments about the VQ... Im going to guess you've never driven the 370z. Durring my multiple hour test drive of the Z which i did about a week ago, I never once encountered this 'rough' engine you speak of. Maybe your talking about the wrong car?

Its not just as fast. Do we have to go through this again?? 111MPH is faster than 105MPH. They are not equal.

111MPH > 105MPH

Get that through your thick skull.

Better quality?? Nissan quality is a joke. 350Z's can't even keep transmissions in cars, and both the 2.5 QR's and the VQ V6's go through piston rings like most cars go through oil changes. Owners burning over a quart every 1,000 miles, and you know what Nissan says?? Thats normal oil consumption. And let us not forget the engineering masterpiece known as the GTR, which in stock form blows its transmission as the slightest hint of aggressive acceleration, all for a replacement cost of $20,000, NOT covered under warranty. THAT quality?? I could go on all day with examples, I work in the field and see the crap they make on a daily basis. You couldn't pay me to own a Nissan.

As for your denial about the VQ being an unrefined piece of shit:

Straight from Motortrend, 370Z review:

The title of the article starts out "Engine complaints..."

"Naturally, there are a few characteristics of the new Z with which we're not entirely enamored. The VQ engine, while more powerful and polished than its predecessor, still exhibits a coarseness near redline. Further, that coarseness rears its unwelcome head in the gearbox and pedals, transmitting a slight vibration to your hands and feet when firing off high-rpm shifts"

Edmunds, 370Z:

"However, the coarse sounds and vibration of this V6 mean you have to grit your teeth and force yourself to keep the throttle floored past 6,000 rpm. Like other Nissans equipped with this powertrain, the din is accompanied by a gearlever that sizzles frantically with high-frequency vibration. We're fans of earlier iterations of Nissan's VQ-Series V6, but the 370Z's VQ37HR could use some finishing school"

You live in a constant state of denial.

[1320junkie]

Hey this thread is better than the Hawks/Cavaliers game tonight!!

[ShnOmac]

Actually I think this thread sucks.......

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

Actually I think this thread sucks.......

obviously you didnt watch my hawks get murdered

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Wesman

You should read the crap you write. Its not even coherent, just you rambling about nonsense.

Not coherent? Link?

No. I'm talking about all your other posts where you do nothing more than spew your pro-import bullshit and bash on American cars with your unsubstantiated claims.


Ok so for the purpose of your argument you'd like me to ignore the aspects which support my case. That makes sense.

Sounds like your buddy is white trash, just like you.

Mature.

Sorry, but I have a nice car. Not some beat to shit $150 3rd gen or a gay ass ricer Nissan. Once again you prove how ignorant you are.

I thought you said you had a trans am?


Its not just as fast. Do we have to go through this again?? 111MPH is faster than 105MPH. They are not equal.

Ohhhhh... your right. So please explain, how much faster than 13.1 seconds, is 13.1 seconds exactly?

Get that through your thick skull.

Better quality?? Nissan quality is a joke. 350Z's can't even keep transmissions in cars, and both the 2.5 QR's and the VQ V6's go through piston rings like most cars go through oil changes. Owners burning over a quart every 1,000 miles, and you know what Nissan says?? Thats normal oil consumption. And let us not forget the engineering masterpiece known as the GTR, which in stock form blows its transmission as the slightest hint of aggressive acceleration, all for a replacement cost of $20,000, NOT covered under warranty. THAT quality?? I could go on all day with examples, I work in the field and see the crap they make on a daily basis. You couldn't pay me to own a Nissan.

Do you REALLY want me to waste my time going through and linking the articles which talk about the Z's huge jump in quality? I'll tell you what, ill do that while you find the article on the Camaro talking about quality.

As for your denial about the VQ being an unrefined piece of shit:

Straight from Motortrend, 370Z review:

The title of the article starts out "Engine complaints..."

"Naturally, there are a few characteristics of the new Z with which we're not entirely enamored. The VQ engine, while more powerful and polished than its predecessor, still exhibits a coarseness near redline. Further, that coarseness rears its unwelcome head in the gearbox and pedals, transmitting a slight vibration to your hands and feet when firing off high-rpm shifts"

Edmunds, 370Z:

"However, the coarse sounds and vibration of this V6 mean you have to grit your teeth and force yourself to keep the throttle floored past 6,000 rpm. Like other Nissans equipped with this powertrain, the din is accompanied by a gearlever that sizzles frantically with high-frequency vibration. We're fans of earlier iterations of Nissan's VQ-Series V6, but the 370Z's VQ37HR could use some finishing school"

You live in a constant state of denial.

My God. What car was I in???? And to think, They said it was a 370z!!!

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

obviously you didnt watch my hawks get murdered

i turned it off early. To painfull. I cant believe they kept LJ in .


Watch this in HQ, its worth every second of the video

[GTAHVIT]

Clean it up everyone.

There is no need for worthless personal attacks. Make your point without insulting each other or go away. By force if necessary.

Thanks,

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

obviously you didnt watch my hawks get murdered

Nope not on out here.... sorry man

This thread is like watching 2 dogs without teeth fight..... It kinda makes ya wonder whats the point