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Matching Numbers · 05-03-2009, 08:33 PM

When are they going to offer Hide-Away headlights on the Camaro

?

FNKNSTN · 05-03-2009, 08:36 PM

Have they ever? I thought that was a Corvette thing

FenwickHockey65 · 05-03-2009, 08:37 PM

Neverrrrrrrrr.

You'll have to go aftermarket...

ljustin293 · 05-03-2009, 08:38 PM

Welcome to the site...I don't believe GM will offer them but we believe that aftermarket products will come out..

Matching Numbers · 05-03-2009, 08:45 PM

Man you guys are fast. Do you think they were just to much trouble in the past?

2010SSRS · 05-03-2009, 08:48 PM

my 67 actuators were constantly going out.........too much of a headache!

let my Halos be seen!

Gary B · 05-03-2009, 09:15 PM

Would be cool, but to many moving parts....why do you think they dumped the flip lights on Vettes? Less stuff to break and more cost effective.

Beechdoctor · 05-03-2009, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary B

Would be cool, but to many moving parts....why do you think they dumped the flip lights on Vettes? Less stuff to break and more cost effective.

Simply true......

*CamaroSpike23* · 05-03-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matching Numbers

Man you guys are fast. Do you think they were just to much trouble in the past?

sort of. one of the big issues they had in the past were the actuators would go out and they ended up making the slits in the covers so that if the lids didnt open, the lights would still shine thru to provide enough light at night.

I dont foresee GM putting hideaways on the new camaro, as said before, the aftermarket will take care of that for us. one of the big name motorsport companies has already given us a photoshop of the hideaways that they plan on incorporating into their camaro builds.

Mr_Draco · 05-03-2009, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary B

Would be cool, but to many moving parts....why do you think they dumped the flip lights on Vettes? Less stuff to break and more cost effective.

Actually GM ditched the flip up lights on the vette because federal regulations make them illegal now due to pedestrian safety laws.

theholycow · 05-03-2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FNKNSTN

Have they ever? I thought that was a Corvette thing

First generation.

theholycow · 05-03-2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Actually GM ditched the flip up lights on the vette because federal regulations make them illegal now due to pedestrian safety laws.

Really? The last I heard, it's about European laws. Interesting.

OUR72GTO · 05-03-2009, 11:33 PM

Final answer is ........... never!

*Camaro_Corvette* · 05-03-2009, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary B

Would be cool, but to many moving parts....why do you think they dumped the flip lights on Vettes? Less stuff to break and more cost effective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechdoctor

Simply true......

They were also illegal in some countries. Which made GM's decision to lose the flip up headlights a lot easier...

Welcome Matching_Numbers

djsnoflake · 05-04-2009, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary B

Would be cool, but to many moving parts....why do you think they dumped the flip lights on Vettes? Less stuff to break and more cost effective.

I heard they did it to make the car more aerodynamic. Now we have 4 theories

Matching Numbers · 05-04-2009, 12:20 AM

Thanks guys for all the replies. I know I would have trouble from time to time with my 67's hide-aways. I would have thought by now GM would have had some better technology for doing hide-aways. Didn't know about the laws. I think it gives the 2010 Camaro an awesome look (seen some photoshop pics) . It is something I will be definitely looking into after I order mine.

franknbeans · 05-04-2009, 12:58 AM

It's illegal to have hide away lights on cars now. . Hence the none on the Vette's anymore.

Mr_Draco · 05-04-2009, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theholycow

Really? The last I heard, it's about European laws. Interesting.

I don't know about Europe but I know it is here in the US so it may be both countries.

Mr_Draco · 05-04-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by franknbeans

It's illegal to have hide away lights on cars now. . Hence the none on the Vette's anymore.

Vette's never had hide-aways, they had flip up lights.

franknbeans · 05-04-2009, 10:51 AM

Dude, same difference. . . the headlights where hidden weren't they?

Law states the the headlighs can not be hidden. (or flipped up, if that is better for you)

theholycow · 05-04-2009, 11:12 AM

Ok, so I wanted to read up on the actual law, because I've never heard of it. I did a quick search and came up with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_headlamps

Quote:

US laws now permit aerodynamic headlamps, relative to which hidden headlamps represent added cost, weight, and complexity as well as reliability concerns as cars age. Internationalized ECE auto safety regulations have also recently incorporated pedestrian-protection provisions restricting protuberances from car bodies, making it more difficult and expensive to design compliant pop-up headlamps.

So, if that's the whole story (and I'm certainly not saying that it is, just proposing that IF it is), then they're not illegal, it would just be that new US laws made them unnecessary and new international regulations made them more difficult.

Codefive · 05-05-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matching Numbers

When are they going to offer Hide-Away headlights on the Camaro

?

Gm? prolly not gonna happen. BUT ...
Moss Fesler said they are working on a hide-a-way system now and hope to have something out soon.

Speedfreak · 05-30-2009, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Actually GM ditched the flip up lights on the vette because federal regulations make them illegal now due to pedestrian safety laws.

the ignorance coming out of dc shows no boundries

Mayhem · 05-30-2009, 12:16 AM

I remember seeing hideaways on the 1st gen? But that is a little different imo anyways than the ones that flip up like on vette's.

I wouldn't want to imagine an attempt at flip up's on a 5th gen. The old school hideaway style with a heritage grill would be veryyyyy nice to see... I've seen claims of more than 1 company working on aftermarket versions of this? So I don't imagine it will be long before something is available.

No idea how laws/regulations vary in different places in regards to something like this though.

btw, were the lights not still somewhat visible & more or less functional through the hideaway portion of the grill on the 1st gen?

I am no expert, & am not claiming to be an authority on any of this btw!

*Camaro_Corvette* · 05-30-2009, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Actually GM ditched the flip up lights on the vette because federal regulations make them illegal now due to pedestrian safety laws.

I believed it was to make the car more global since hideaways are illegal in some countries in europe

05-03-2009, 08:33 PM	#1
Matching Numbers Drives: 1967 RS/SS Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Mo Posts: 3	Hide-Away Headlights? When are they going to offer Hide-Away headlights on the Camaro?

05-03-2009, 08:37 PM	#3
FenwickHockey65 GM loyal until the end... Drives: Malibu, Envoy, Sonoma Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 8,535 View My Garage	Neverrrrrrrrr. You'll have to go aftermarket... __________________ Current cars: 2007 Chevrolet Malibu LS...2003 GMC Envoy SLE...1998 GMC Sonoma SLS Ext. Cab

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05-03-2009, 09:15 PM	#7
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05-03-2009, 11:33 PM	#13
OUR72GTO 2010 SIM Beige RS 6M Drives: SIM RS 6M 72 GTO 07 NBS Silverado Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,568	Final answer is ........... never! __________________ CAMARO.. 2010 The Heart Beat is back in CHEVROLET Now let's put it back in America

05-03-2009, 08:36 PM	#2
FNKNSTN Banned Drives: A Black Car Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 821	Have they ever? I thought that was a Corvette thing

05-03-2009, 08:38 PM	#4
ljustin293 THEljustin293 Drives: 2010 VR CAMARO 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: GA Posts: 10,744 View My Garage	Welcome to the site...I don't believe GM will offer them but we believe that aftermarket products will come out..

05-03-2009, 08:45 PM	#5
Matching Numbers Drives: 1967 RS/SS Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Mo Posts: 3	Man you guys are fast. Do you think they were just to much trouble in the past?

05-04-2009, 12:20 AM	#16
Matching Numbers Drives: 1967 RS/SS Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Mo Posts: 3	Thanks guys for all the replies. I know I would have trouble from time to time with my 67's hide-aways. I would have thought by now GM would have had some better technology for doing hide-aways. Didn't know about the laws. I think it gives the 2010 Camaro an awesome look (seen some photoshop pics) . It is something I will be definitely looking into after I order mine.

05-04-2009, 12:58 AM	#17
franknbeans Drives: 2010 CAMARO Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pittsburgh-ish - PA Posts: 1,678 View My Garage	It's illegal to have hide away lights on cars now. . Hence the none on the Vette's anymore. __________________ 2SS-RS / CGM / #16235 "The Punisher" Mods: 35% tint / Punisher skull / Yanko style side stripes / 3m Clear bra / Magnaflow catback / hurst shifter / Complete Light black out kit 5 Camaro's for sale!

05-04-2009, 10:51 AM	#20
franknbeans Drives: 2010 CAMARO Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pittsburgh-ish - PA Posts: 1,678 View My Garage	Dude, same difference. . . the headlights where hidden weren't they? Law states the the headlighs can not be hidden. (or flipped up, if that is better for you) __________________ 2SS-RS / CGM / #16235 "The Punisher" Mods: 35% tint / Punisher skull / Yanko style side stripes / 3m Clear bra / Magnaflow catback / hurst shifter / Complete Light black out kit 5 Camaro's for sale!

05-30-2009, 12:16 AM	#24
Mayhem Drives: 2010 2SS RS M6 Camaro (Black) Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC (Canada) Posts: 348	I remember seeing hideaways on the 1st gen? But that is a little different imo anyways than the ones that flip up like on vette's. I wouldn't want to imagine an attempt at flip up's on a 5th gen. The old school hideaway style with a heritage grill would be veryyyyy nice to see... I've seen claims of more than 1 company working on aftermarket versions of this? So I don't imagine it will be long before something is available. No idea how laws/regulations vary in different places in regards to something like this though. btw, were the lights not still somewhat visible & more or less functional through the hideaway portion of the grill on the 1st gen? I am no expert, & am not claiming to be an authority on any of this btw!

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