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Old 03-27-2012, 01:36 AM   #188
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That Navigation interface is god awful ugly, bet it works great but god if it doesn't look like something I saw on a website back in 1999

Someone want to explain why it is so hard for Chevy to make an interface that is at least decently attractive and intuitive, not just one or the other?

Glad they are bringing out a performance package other than the ZL1 though, it's good that they are bringing in a Track Pack for the SS....
Meh, its the retro tach/speedo guage housings I find hideous borderline revolting.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:42 AM   #189
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That NAV screen looks sweet. I wonder what it would take to retrofit that?
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That Navigation interface is god awful ugly, bet it works great but god if it doesn't look like something I saw on a website back in 1999

Someone want to explain why it is so hard for Chevy to make an interface that is at least decently attractive and intuitive, not just one or the other?

Glad they are bringing out a performance package other than the ZL1 though, it's good that they are bringing in a Track Pack for the SS....
i don't see what's so hideous about it? It looks a million times better than all the other set up's we've seen.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:47 AM   #190
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Meh, its the retro tach/speedo guage housings I find hideous borderline revolting.
Neither of them go good together

This looked good:



Change it to plastic and bam the interior goes down 2 notches....



I'm into technology so while you might see this:



This is what I see:




It's not the knobs that I find hideous it's the 1999 website design of the software itself, they integrated it quite well actually...
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:51 AM   #191
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its 1LE? Are they gonna have 2LE and 3LE too?
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I'm sure the SS guys willover my saying this but it would be cool if this package was extended to the V6 as well. Ok carry on....
Not a bad idea, just not sure how well it would sell. It would be one great handling Camaro with the perks of V-6 gas mileage.
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An SS 1LE? They should have focused on making a Z28 and not this option. Black hood, black spoiler, and black wheels, really? Calling a fully contented Camaro a 1LE is also laughable. Even worse that it looks like the Z28 won't be a model in the car's 5th Gen return/success. Such shame in that. Why is it that the E-Brake still cannot be leather wrapped?
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:25 AM   #194
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THIS.......IS..........AWESOME news!

I just got done ranting about my woes with my suspension. I may have to start putting my SS back to stock so I can sell it and buy a 1LE!
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:49 AM   #195
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They should have focused on making a Z28 and not this option. Black hood and black spoiler, really? Calling a fully contented Camaro a 1LE is also laughable. Even worse that it looks like the Z28 won't be a model in the car's 5th Gen return/success. Such shame in that. Why is it that the E-Brake still cannot be leather wrapped?
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What The 1LE consisted of: (Categorized & Year By Year)
In 1988, the secret showroom stock racing 1LE option (option level 0 IROC-Z) was first available; however, only 4 were produced. Then in 1989, the option became more well-known as 111 were produced that year. The package was obtained by ordering the following:

Level 1 IROC-Z with 5.0 TPI engine (LB9) with 5 speed or 5.7 TPI engine (L98) with 4-speed automatic. These Camaro's had 145 mph speedometers and 5500 rpm redline tachs. Optional axle ratio (G92) (305/3.45, 350/3.27) and its required options G80 Limited-Slip rear axle

Package consisted of (G92 Was Ordered With A/C) [Street Vehicle]:

engine oil cooler 4-wheel disc brakes Performance exhaust system (N10) (dual catalytic converters) Tires P245/50 ZR16 Goodyear Gatorback

Note:

G92 ordered WITH A/C was classifieds as a Street vehicle.

G92 ordered WITHOUT A/C was classifieds as Race series.


Package consisted of (G92 Ordered Without A/C) [Race Vehicle]:

Aluminum driveshaft (JG1) (part # 10085375) G80 Differential with limited slip with 3.42 posi rear G92 Rear axle performance package Big front brakes adapted from the Corvette Larger (11.86 inch) front rotors (part # 18016035) Larger front spindles (part #'s 18016737 / 18016738) PBR front, dual-piston aluminum calipers (part #'s 10132827 / 10132828) Special swinging fuel pickup in gas tank and special 18 gallon baffled fuel tank for fuel pickup down to .5 gallon reserve to prevent fuel starvation in hard cornering specific front and rear shock absorbers Lower control arms (part # 10164151) Special deflected disc shocks Air conditioning delete (C41) (standard heater) (weight savings and better air flow to the radiator) Fog lamp delete (to release the air intake located behind) T-Tops delete Power accessories delete Aluminum spare wheel with smaller spare tire (N64) A Few RARE ones came with special 16" x 8" light alloy mesh wheels (XWL)

[edit]Yearly Information on the 1LE Option:
1988

Chevrolet built 4 "1LE" 1988 Camaro's for the SCC A Showroom Stock racing series. The reason only 4, virtually unknown to most Camaro racer-types at the time.

1989

Chevrolet built 111 "1LE" 1989 Camaro's for the SCC A Showroom Stock racing series. But 1LE wasn't ordered like other RPOs. Ordering the RPO G80 Limited-slip rear axle & G92 performance axle with an IROC-Z Coupe triggered the 1LE RPO. Here's how it worked: When G92 was ordered, it forced several other options including engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes, dual converter exhaust and P245/50ZR16 tires. A 1989 Camaro with G92 had to have either the 350ci (RPO B2L) engine with 4-speed automatic transmission, or the 305ci (RPO LB9) with 5-speed manual. These Camaro's had 145 mph speedometers and 5500 rpm redline tachs. If RPO G92 was ordered with air condition ing, the cars were built as street vehicles. If air conditioning was not ordered, Chevrolet added 1LE equipment for the race series. This included aluminum drive shaft, big front brakes adapted from the Corvette, fuel tank baffles, specific front and rear shock absorbers, and different jounce bumpers. Also, fog lamps were deleted for weight savings and better air flow to the radiator.

1990

Chevrolet built 62 "1LE" Z28 Coupes for the SCCA Showroom Stock racing series with RPO G80 Limited-slip rear axle & G92 RPO G92 performance axle triggering the build. RPO G92 required one of two engine combinations, the 305ci LB9 V8 with 5-speed manual, or the 350ci B2L V8 with 4-speed automatic transmission. When ordered with air conditioning, RPO G92 included engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes, and dual-converter exhaust. When ordered without air conditioning, RPO G92 added heavy-duty front brakes adapted from the Corvette, aluminum driveshaft and spare wheel, special shocks and fuel pickup, and gas tank baffle. Fog lamps, normally included with IROC models, were deleted for weight savings and better air flow to the radiator. Option cost for RPO G92 equipment with air conditioning was $466.00. The cost when air conditioning wasn't ordered was $675.00.

1991

Chevrolet built 478 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1991. The exact amount of true 1LE's is not known this year as a majority of the 478 units were "B4C" Special Service (or Police package) RS Camaros which had the 1LE front brakes (1LE brakes were a mid year option on the 91 B4C as it was quickly realized that the standard front brakes were not suitable for police use -thus some B4C's got the 1LE brakes and some did not). As in 1989 and 1990, Ordering the RPO G80 Limited-slip rear axle & G92 RPO G92 triggered the build. RPO G92 required one of two engine combinations, the 305ci LB9 V8 with 5-speed manual, or the 350ci B2L V8 with 4-speed automatic transmission. When ordered with air conditioning, RPO G92 ($466) included engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes (except for a brief period when 4-wheel discs were deleted with a $287 credit), and dual-converter exhaust. When ordered without air condi*tioning, RPO G92 ($675) added heavy-duty front brakes, aluminum driveshaft and spare wheel, special shocks and fuel pickup, and gas tank baffle. Fog lamps were deleted for weight savings and improved cooling.

[edit]1992
Chevrolet built 705 Camaro's with "1LE" special performance components equipment for 1992. Of the 705 units, 589 of these were the "B4C" Special Service (or Police package) cars which all included the 1LE front brakes. Content was different in the B4C as air conditioning was standard and the aluminum driveshaft, spare tire and other heavy duty suspension components were not included. In reality there were only 116 1LE "race prep" cars produced. As in 1989, 1990, and 1991, Ordering the RPO G80 Limited-slip rear axle & G92 RPO 1LE was triggered by RPO G92. RPO G92 required either the 305ci LB9 V8 with 5-speed manual, or the 350ci B2L V8 with 4-speed automatic transmission. When ordered with air conditioning ($466), RPO G92 included engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes, and dual-converter exhaust. Without air condition ing ($675), RPO G92 added heavy-duty front brakes, aluminum driveshaft and spare wheel, special shocks and fuel pickup, and gas tank baffle. Fog lamps were deleted for weight savings and better air flow to the radiator. Available for Z28 Coupes only.

1992 should be recognized as the peak of 3rd generation performance with the two models, the B4C Special Service package and the 1LE Race Prep package being the most covetted for collectors as both were produced in relatively low numbers and each had different content. The 1LE was the best handling and lightest package available, although the B4C had most of it's content and was the only way to get the big heavy duty racing brakes along with air conditioning and power windows/locks and mirrors if you wanted them.

[edit]1993
Chevrolet built only 19 Camaro's with "1LE" equipment for 1993. This included larger diameter front and rear stabilizer bars, stiffer shock absorber valving, harder durometer control arm bushings front and rear, power sterring cooler, and radiator baffles for added engine cooling. Air conditioning, power windows/locks or mirrors was not available with 1LE.

[edit]1994
Chevrolet built 135 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1994. Content changes slightly as the rear sway bar for 1LE and Z28 are the same (downsized from previous year) and the new Koni double adjustable shock absorbers becomes available as factory installed content in the 1LE.

[edit]1995
Chevrolet built 106 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1995.

[edit]1996
Chevrolet built 55 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1996. Air conditioning becomes standard in all camaros including the 1LE cars which was previously unavailable. Other power options are still restricted in the ordering process.

[edit]1996
Chevrolet built 55 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1996.

[edit]1997
Chevrolet built 48 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1997.

[edit]1998
Chevrolet built 99 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1998. If 99 were built why do the production number say none were built? I know where there is an SS 1LE. According to SLP it is the only one.

[edit]1999
Chevrolet built 74 "1LE" equipped camaros for 1999.Of these 74 units, 66 were Z28 and 8 were SS optioned (one of the SS's was an automatic and would be quite the collectible today!) This is the last year of the 1LE as installed from the factory. SLP adds 1LE as an option in later years but does not include previous content and is not factory installed by GM.

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Old 03-27-2012, 04:08 AM   #196
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:38 AM   #197
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:00 AM   #198
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I find it funny how people are already saying that there's no way this thing keeps up with a Boss LS...we haven't seen ANY numbers from it yet guys! Remember when everyone flipped out, saying that without weight reduction, there was no way the ZL1 would be a respectable track car? Then it laid down a 7:41.27 on the Nurburgring. And easily handled the Boss LS. And beat the GT-R at VIR. Still want to make that claim?

The guys building and designing these cars for GM are engineers. As a mechanical engineer myself, I can tell you that if the car isn't right and it isn't going to do what it's supposed to do, it won't get built. How about we enjoy the fact that Chevy is adding another Camaro to the line-up for at least a few days before we start jumping to conclusions and saying that they got in wrong? Hell, how about for once we don't jump to conclusions on the performance before it even hits the track?

Personally, I'm extremely excited for this car, and I'm glad that I decided to wait for the 2013 model year to buy my Camaro. Now I have to decide if I want to add the 1LE package to my SS. If the price is right, Chevy might have one of their first buyers right here Decisions, decisions...
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This is awesome !! GO GM !!
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Personally, I'm extremely excited for this car, and I'm glad that I decided to wait for the 2013 model year to buy my Camaro. Now I have to decide if I want to add the 1LE package to my SS. If the price is right, Chevy might have one of their first buyers right here Decisions, decisions...
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We're damned if we do and damned if we don't --

the intent is to allow the customer to tailor his or her 1LE to the way they'd like it.

You may not like the RS package - but others just MAY want it.......

So.........I'd rather 'err' on the side of allowing people to choose options.

I don't see that as a "fail"........

fbodfather...you cant please everyone. lol

The 1LE to me should be a bare bones car...no extras.
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Holy Crap that's alot of whining!! I thought us Camaro guys were, oh I don't know, Camaro Lovers?! All I see is a bunch of whiners drinking HaterAde...
We should all be proud/glad that GM is trying to keep us happy. I love my 2SS/RS but you know, I love the 1LE and the ZL1 too. The only thing that keeps me from owning all of them is a 7 figure income!

Stay focused people...enjoy what you have and buy the next one YOU like. Starting with 426hp is not a bad jump off point and neither is 580hp!
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I find it funny how people are already saying that there's no way this thing keeps up with a Boss LS...we haven't seen ANY numbers from it yet guys! Remember when everyone flipped out, saying that without weight reduction, there was no way the ZL1 would be a respectable track car? Then it laid down a 7:41.27 on the Nurburgring. And easily handled the Boss LS. And beat the GT-R at VIR. Still want to make that claim?

The guys building and designing these cars for GM are engineers. As a mechanical engineer myself, I can tell you that if the car isn't right and it isn't going to do what it's supposed to do, it won't get built. How about we enjoy the fact that Chevy is adding another Camaro to the line-up for at least a few days before we start jumping to conclusions and saying that they got in wrong? Hell, how about for once we don't jump to conclusions on the performance before it even hits the track?

Personally, I'm extremely excited for this car, and I'm glad that I decided to wait for the 2013 model year to buy my Camaro. Now I have to decide if I want to add the 1LE package to my SS. If the price is right, Chevy might have one of their first buyers right here Decisions, decisions...
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I'm basically doing all this stuff to my SS and I'm about 1/4th of the way done. I wish I could have waited.....too late, cant turn back. I'll just have to buy the steering wheel when it becomes available.
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