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Old 03-29-2012, 02:22 PM   #579
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http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...00-vs-zl1.html

I could sit and read this crap for hours.....
Man, are those guys mad at the C5 forums or what?
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:38 PM   #580
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Man, are those guys mad at the C5 forums or what?
Also, I noticed next to NO disagreement or debate about GT500 specifics between the ford fans. Say what you will about this forum, there is TONS of debate here.
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:49 PM   #581
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Also, I noticed next to NO disagreement or debate about GT500 specifics between the ford fans. Say what you will about this forum, there is TONS of debate here.
Until the mods shut it down because of less than desirable facts being stated, or it just going in the same old circle of nonsense...

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Man, are those guys mad at the C5 forums or what?
Can you really blame them? If C5 was a religion it would be Christianity, full of good morals but lots of contradictions and blind belief. Not to say Camaro5 is the only forum like this because it's not...
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:20 PM   #582
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There's never been any love lost between the ford, chevy, and dodge communities. Not just between the mustang, camaro, and challenger fans; but also between the truck fans. Look at the PC/MAC/Linux communities; iphone/android; xbox/ps3, etc... People show their maturity by blasting the opposition using biased perceptions. I can understand factual debate, but blindly stating that one is holistically better than the other is just immature in my mind. And I can understand saying that you think one is 'uglier' than the other, but saying that it looks like a can of butt, or whatever, is again a testament to their maturity.

It does seem like there is a gap in intelligence between a stang fanboi and a maro fanboi. JMHO
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:24 PM   #583
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There's never been any love lost between the ford, chevy, and dodge communities. Not just between the mustang, camaro, and challenger fans; but also between the truck fans. Look at the PC/MAC/Linux communities; iphone/android; xbox/ps3, etc... People show their maturity by blasting the opposition using biased perceptions. I can understand factual debate, but blindly stating that one is holistically better than the other is just immature in my mind. And I can understand saying that you think one is 'uglier' than the other, but saying that it looks like a can of butt, or whatever, is again a testament to their maturity.

It does seem like there is a gap in intelligence between a stang fanboi and a maro fanboi. JMHO
This is a very intelligent way of putting it thank you!
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:31 PM   #584
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There's never been any love lost between the ford, chevy, and dodge communities. Not just between the mustang, camaro, and challenger fans; but also between the truck fans. Look at the PC/MAC/Linux communities; iphone/android; xbox/ps3, etc... People show their maturity by blasting the opposition using biased perceptions. I can understand factual debate, but blindly stating that one is holistically better than the other is just immature in my mind. And I can understand saying that you think one is 'uglier' than the other, but saying that it looks like a can of butt, or whatever, is again a testament to their maturity.

It does seem like there is a gap in intelligence between a stang fanboi and a maro fanboi. JMHO


Being in the Military you surely know it is the same with the different branches of the Armed Forces as well. Stupid, were all on the team.
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Old 03-29-2012, 04:30 PM   #585
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Wow, I've been offline for days putting on the Pedders supercar coilovers and see this great news.I really like this Camaro, it has the things I wanted, but it also is missing some things to make it a really great track car. One is the RECARO seats and the other is the iron diff with cooler from the ZL1. And did I mention the RECARO seats?
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:20 PM   #586
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Being in the Military you surely know it is the same with the different branches of the Armed Forces as well. Stupid, were all on the team.
I couldn't agree more. I'm no longer in the Military; I got out in 2009 after 9 years in. My first command was on the USS Blue Ridge which does a lot of Joint operations with all services. My second command was a joint command in Tokyo. Now I work as a contractor on an Air Force base with contractors with prior service in all branches. It's funny what level some people will stoop to make their branch look better than others. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked about why the Navy has their names stitched on the back of their pants. That never gets old (/sarcasm). Again, it just comes down to maturity. I won't say that I've never made fun of other services, but I will say that I haven't done it in a really long time. I guess I just decided to grow up.

This whole argument of something being better than something and proving it by using inferiority as a weapon is simply immature and there is really no reason to try to reason with a person that does this. They cannot be convinced otherwise as they are too immature to be objective and have an adult debate.

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Old 03-29-2012, 05:34 PM   #587
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I couldn't agree more. I'm no longer in the Military; I got out in 2009 after 9 years in. My first command was on the USS Blue Ridge which does a lot of Joint operations with all services. My second command was a joint command in Tokyo. Now I work as a contractor on an Air Force base with contractors with prior service in all branches. It's funny what level some people will stoop to make their branch look better than others. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked about why the Navy has their names stitched on the back of their pants. That never gets old (/sarcasm). Again, it just comes down to maturity. I won't say that I've never made fun of other services, but I will say that I haven't done it in a really long time. I guess I just decided to grow up.

This whole argument of something being better than something and proving it by using inferiority as a weapon is simply immature and there is really no reason to try to reason with a person that does this. They cannot be convinced otherwise as they are too immature to be objective and have an adult debate.

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Old 03-29-2012, 05:37 PM   #588
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this may be a little off topic,but i was just thinking of the few times i have watched West Coast Customs nad their builds of Camaro's for Celebs,i have'nt seen one build on that show of a Mustang.? maybe they have and i just hav'nt seen that episode...?
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:44 PM   #589
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Can you really blame them? If C5 was a religion it would be Christianity, full of good morals but lots of contradictions and blind belief. Not to say Camaro5 is the only forum like this because it's not...
Not disagreeing to disagree, but I see (and get into) plenty of disagreements here with other Camaro owners/fans, about the Camaro itself.

And this forum has no where near the amount of blind belief those guys have.
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Old 03-29-2012, 05:49 PM   #590
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Sorry I didnt mean to turn this into a Mustang thread lol

Back on topic... Camaro 1LE
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:06 PM   #591
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I am hoping that is the case. In the final year of the 5th Gen we may see...

The ZL1 with the LS9

The Z/28 with a massaged LS7

The ZL1 gets the LS9 to keep sales strong with the 6th Gen around the corner. The LS7 should get a bump in power for the final run of the C6 Vette making it available for a limited run as a Z/28 before the EPA and CAFE put push it our of production cars and into GMPP crate motor only mode.
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:09 PM   #592
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Not disagreeing to disagree, but I see (and get into) plenty of disagreements here with other Camaro owners/fans, about the Camaro itself.

And this forum has no where near the amount of blind belief those guys have.
I see more blind belief with the noobs than anything, they're here for a week with their V6 Camaro and suddenly they know everything about how a car performs and know that no matter what the Camaro can't lose because it was a freaking Transformer...

There is plenty of blind faith on this forum and it seems to stem from the letters about the ZL1 performance.

Now back to your regular programming about the 1LE..
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:16 PM   #593
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:35 PM   #594
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"426-hp, 1g cornering, under $40,000" and with all those options?!?! Holy S**T!
That's incredible!
...Mustang who?
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Old 03-29-2012, 07:03 PM   #595
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So I ignored it at first but just clicked the link to the mudstain page, confirms what I've always thought of them...toolbags...classless. Glad to be a GM guy. Makes me want to go find some mustake to smoke with my 4 door grocery getter.
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