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Old 03-31-2012, 05:17 PM   #664
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Here is more speculation and crunching numbers with the worst case scenario. 1SS Base MSRP is 32,280. Let's say the 1LE package is $7,000 that would bring the price to $39,280 for a 1SS 1LE. Which might make sense because we have seen MSRP increase by like $500 per year? So with a new MSRP it would come out to $39,780 and still be less than $40K. On a 2SS with a MSRP of $35,880 in 2012 that would come out to $42,880 and with a MSRP increase of $500 it would be $43,380. That is just on the base price. No RS package or other options.

If it comes out to be $7K I would have a hard time justifying that to myself without engine improvements. Again, that is JUST ME and in no way does it rag on the capabilities or value of the 1LE.

I understand wanting engine improvements. However, engine improvements would raise the base price significantly. Not only that, but engine improvement are abundant for a V8 Camaro. A 1LE with long tubes, high flow cats, cold air kit, and a tune, would be more car than most people could handle. Besides, if the price is a little bit higher, they won't be as common. That's a plus in my book.
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Old 03-31-2012, 05:49 PM   #665
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:01 PM   #666
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I see the changes to the high flow fuel pump? Any oiling changes for handling 1g?
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:08 AM   #667
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I can't believe I'm even thinking about this. My baby is incredible! Oh...you guys are killin' me.

All those mods. All that time. All the LOVE! Somebody gimme a kleenex.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:51 AM   #668
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I can count on 1 hand the # of other Camaro's I have seen in NASA,SCCA or ASA for the last 1.5 yrs. I'm the only one.

I have been to quite a few autox myself, and so far, I was the only Camaro at any of them. This car is just too heavy to be a fun autox car. It can't get out of its own way. Now, an HPDE might be a different story...
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:53 AM   #669
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I have been to quite a few autox myself, and so far, I was the only Camaro at any of them. This car is just too heavy to be a fun autox car. It can't get out of its own way. Now, an HPDE might be a different story...

The 1LE and the ZL1 are about to change your opinion!

Men like Al Oppenheiser, Mark Dickens, and Tony Roma have done some magic and I think you're going to love the result!
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:57 AM   #670
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I doubt even the ZL1 will make a good autox car. Those tracks are generally set up for smaller, lightweight cars. The last one I went to, the Miatas had better times than the Corvettes. That was my only point. I am sure at a track day, this car rocks. I just don't have the will (yeah ok, courage ) to do one.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:28 AM   #671
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The 1LE and the ZL1 are about to change your opinion!

Men like Al Oppenheiser, Mark Dickens, and Tony Roma have done some magic and I think you're going to love the result!
Thank you Mr.-s Oppenheiser, Dickens, Roma, and "Dad".

Not looking to start an argument, and with me behind the wheel - the Miatas positions on the podium are certainly safe. But I've gotta raise my Camaro banner on this one.

My SS isn't stock by any means, but it's not boosted at all, and my chassis & suspension tweaks are downright minor compared to many right here on this forum.

But I still think my Camaro would make a fantastic autocross car, big butt and all.

Just a few tweaks here, a little aluminum in place of rubber there, and my baby was transformed into a corner carving monster. Okay, maybe there was a bit more to it, but not much. I fling my baby around like a go-kart, and she never even squeals.

She may not win an autocross event (at least with me behind the wheel), but I can't even imagine her embarassing herself out there. She'll take it for hours, and beg for more.

I'll stop gushing now.

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Old 04-01-2012, 03:32 PM   #672
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Very pleased about the MyLink screen. This is something I thought should have at least been an option at roll-out, but I guess you have to save some tricks for the mid-cycle refresh.

I'm curious, though: For the vehicles not equipped with nav, will the rear backup cam still be integrated into the screen, or will it be integrated into the mirror as the 2012's?

I'm also curious whether some "fun" diagnostics will be incorporated into the screen, or can be incorporated (i.e., useless gauges like torque, HP, etc. )

I still think the HVAC controls could have received an "auto" mode update, especially now that there's a screen that probably can integrate a lot of vehicle functions.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:09 PM   #673
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I'm curious about the electric power steering. Is this the same steering that was recalled in cobalts?
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:24 PM   #674
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Maybe they will offer a hood blackout delete option similar to the stripe delete on the anniversary edition.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:40 PM   #675
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Hmmm. To me that looks steep, but let me try to see what you get for your money.

I can't find anything about the M10, but it looks like the MM6 comes directly from the vette and is used on the 7L 505hp Z06. Does that mean it is beefed up compared to the M10? Sounds hopeful. From what I can find the ZL1 uses the MG9 of the TR6060. The extra cooling is nice. I wonder if the clutch is the same?

Some of this might be good. Here is some info from Hot Rod on what breaks in high performance usage when it comes to suspension.

The Transmission cooling seems like a good idea as well:

The brembo brake package on the mustang is just $1700 more. If this source is correct you also get suspension improvements with it:

The track pack is $2500 which includes the brembo brake package and adds engine cooler, upgraded radiator, better brake pads, and the torsen differential from the Boss 302. It comes with a 3.73 final drive ratio over the stock 3.31 for gearing changes.

That's all for $2500 more. I would think the track pack brings the GT pretty damn close to a Boss 302 in the handling department. The boss still had extra horsepower.

So ya.....$6-8K as I see it is pretty steep unless I am missing something. No matter. I still have high hopes for the 1LE. I am glad to see GM working on improving the handling.


I'm guessing the 1LE package will add an extra $3,500. - 4,500. As was stated the major cost appears to be in the Tire/Wheel upgrade.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:48 PM   #676
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I'm curious about the electric power steering. Is this the same steering that was recalled in cobalts?
It's the electric power steering out of the ZL1.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:51 PM   #677
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Just noticed something cool. If you take the 1LE and SS and combine them, you have 1LESS. Which means 1 Less as in 1 lb less than 3850. 3849 lbs.
I'm impressed at the weight compared to the SS for how it appears to handle, great job GM!
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:36 PM   #678
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1LE package looks fantastic... but... I can't help but think that the chances are of actually getting a deal on one are micro-slim.

I mean $39k is already a good bump in MSRP for the 1LE content, but throw on the inevitable $5k dealer markup, and at that price, the 1LE is about *$12,000+* more than what you can get a 1SS out the door for... I don't know -- pretty sure I could NOT justify the price premium at that point.

I hope I'm wrong, but history is clearly on the side of dealers going for the gouging markups on cars like this. I would hate to think the 'new' 1LE is just another high-priced special for those with deep pockets.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:49 PM   #679
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1LE package looks fantastic... but... I can't help but think that the chances are of actually getting a deal on one are micro-slim.

I mean $39k is already a good bump in MSRP for the 1LE content, but throw on the inevitable $5k dealer markup, and at that price, the 1LE is about *$12,000+* more than what you can get a 1SS out the door for... I don't know -- pretty sure I could NOT justify the price premium at that point.

I hope I'm wrong, but history is clearly on the side of dealers going for the gouging markups on cars like this. I would hate to think the 'new' 1LE is just another high-priced special for those with deep pockets.
Anyone that pays dealer markup does so because they don't like money. There are always options even when new models are released. There is no reason to overpay. Many ZL1s were ordered at msrp or below.
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Very pleased about the MyLink screen. This is something I thought should have at least been an option at roll-out, but I guess you have to save some tricks for the mid-cycle refresh.

I'm curious, though: For the vehicles not equipped with nav, will the rear backup cam still be integrated into the screen, or will it be integrated into the mirror as the 2012's?

I'm also curious whether some "fun" diagnostics will be incorporated into the screen, or can be incorporated (i.e., useless gauges like torque, HP, etc. )

I still think the HVAC controls could have received an "auto" mode update, especially now that there's a screen that probably can integrate a lot of vehicle functions.
I think it stated in the earlier posting that the backup camera would be on the 7" screen instead of the rear view mirror..

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