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Old 03-27-2012, 12:26 AM   #176
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I look forward to big Red's opinions on this car, too!!


I will add this one last note....if I hadn't ordered my ZL1 already...and this was...oh, July 2012 - where both are available? I'd have a REAL hard time deciding which option to take. And I think the more we know about the 1LE, the more I'll feel that way.
Ahhhh....I remember this conversation with you.

And now? Yep....it happened. But, you have EVERYTHING with your ZL1. No way in hell I'd be unhappy with that. You are one lucky dude, Joe. And...you have patience like no other. I...have a TON of respect for you on that one. While I probably never would have been able to save like you for the ZL1, this could have been doable if I hadn't have gotten the SS.

I'm happy with what I have, but I'm so damn sad I can't jump into this...:(
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We're damned if we do and damned if we don't --

the intent is to allow the customer to tailor his or her 1LE to the way they'd like it.

You may not like the RS package - but others just MAY want it.......

So.........I'd rather 'err' on the side of allowing people to choose options.

I don't see that as a "fail"........
Not a "fail" at all...not in the least.

One person who's upset that these are...."OPTIONS".... I don't get it either. But, majority loves the idea. That's....all that matters.

FWIW, you have to add these things. Don't stop someone from ordering what they want...because you know the majority of the orders that come in are going to be fully loaded.
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Once again - the voice of reason...........
I swear, Scott...he's a freaking Fbod Jr. And that, to me, is obviously a good thing. If you guys could only add him to the team somehow... You know it... He's got the "it" ...


On that side note, I'll never forget that day at Tom's picking up my Camaro. Pure tears of joy...

I'll love my SS forever. But this 1LE? It ain't right Scott. I WANT ONE. And THAT is making this tough. I mean, I'm actually sitting here thinking about how much I could get for my car and how much I could get for all the parts if I put it back to stock. Unfortunately, I promised Dana that the next new car goes to her...her Tahoe. So, I need to fulfill that obligation first. But, this is going to be on my list in the event something "happens."


For now, I'm going to do what it takes to get that mylink installed in my 2010 along with the side skirts and front splitter. Gotta have them.


Good job on pulling this one off, GM. You have going to sell a TON of these. If I didn't have my SS right now, I'd pick one up in a heartbeat.
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So when can we turn an optioned 1LE into a Z/28?
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I will SO order just that part....

Would LOVE a 1LE, so glad they are making it-- it's basically our Z28!

But what's up with all the amenities? Shouldn't it be bare bones??
Maybe 2 people in this world still want a stripped-down Camaro. It just doesn't make sense to produce and market one.

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That's what I'm wondering. Huge disappointment if it's not available, at least as an option. If not then why? That's more profit for them.
Probably weight.

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Ya, this is just Chevy stuffing some zl1 parts on a SS. Roll out something new in the engine bay. Hell the Hyundai Genisses is getting a 429 hp direct injection plant. Add a 300 dollar tune and anything short of a supercharged SS will only be seeing taillights from that 4 door luxury sports car, oh and it will have a 10 year warranty. So come on Chevy don't make us sacrifice so much for our sharp eye turning Camaro's
Camaro won't get a new engine until Corvette gets a new engine.

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Total Fail to call this a 1LE.

Shouldnt have any of this garbage.
AVAILABLE RS APPEARANCE PACKAGE
Equip your 1LE with HID headlamps (including halo rings), a body color roof ditch molding, and a body color shark fin antenna for a clean exterior appearance and unique RS badging.
AVAILABLE SUNROOF

With 1LE’s available power sunroof.


SUEDED MICROFIBER-WRAPPED FLAT-BOTTOM STEERING WHEEL
This flat-bottom steering wheel (borrowed from ZL1) provides room for heel/toe operation and makes getting in and out of 1LE easier. This wheel, accented with stone color stitching, makes the car feel more nimble and connects the driver more directly to the car.

SUEDED MICROFIBER-WRAPPED SHIFT KNOB
Borrowed from ZL1, the 1LE shift knob looks as good as it feels, wrapped in sueded microfiber and accented with stone color stitching. The 1LE also shares ZL1’s GM-designed short throw shifter, which has a 5.1:1 ratio — the new standard for Camaro.

AVAILABLE PREMIUM AUDIO SYSTEM
(Included on 2SS models) Enjoy premium performance sound with the Boston Acoustics® premium nine-speaker sound system.

AVAILABLE REAR VISION PACKAGE
(Included on 2SS models) Help see items behind the vehicle with the Rear Vision Camera, displayed on the 7-inch color touch radio screen.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:28 AM   #179
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and the Z28 isn't coming until the 6th gen. Think about it. Why would GM come out with a Z28 that's only going to last a couple of years. That's a lot of dough for a two year run. If they are smart, they will save that Z28 moniker for a brand new 6th gen and put it on the newly redesigned Camaro to surprise the world.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:36 AM   #180
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:45 AM   #181
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Man.... this is starting to feel like the good old Roger Penske / Mark Donohue "now we're getting serious" days. If I didn't already have my SS tricked out the way I like it I'd be all over this like crazy. What a great starting point for modding!

Curious as to what the pricing is going to be....
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So other than the appearance aspect of this package, it doesn't have much over say getting a set of coil overs from Pfadt and some sway bars? Oh and some wider tires?

If there's more it'd be tempting to trade my SS in for one, as I always wanted a 1LE car for my 4th gen but never found one. But if it's that easy to just mod my SS to keep up with the 1LE I'll just keep the SS since I've already done a few mods to it.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:05 AM   #183
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.......when donkeys fly............


It's called "misplaced passion" perhaps????


There IS a market for this particular model..........and remember - we're never done............
I had written off the idea of buying a ZL1 as just too much car as I'd never track it...but a 2SS RS 1LE with lots of tastey ZL1 bits, better gas mileage and no gas guzzler tax...okay you have my attention.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:12 AM   #184
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That NAV screen looks sweet. I wonder what it would take to retrofit that?
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:24 AM   #186
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I'm sure the SS guys willover my saying this but it would be cool if this package was extended to the V6 as well. Ok carry on....
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That Navigation interface is god awful ugly, bet it works great but god if it doesn't look like something I saw on a website back in 1999

Someone want to explain why it is so hard for Chevy to make an interface that is at least decently attractive and intuitive, not just one or the other?

Glad they are bringing out a performance package other than the ZL1 though, it's good that they are bringing in a Track Pack for the SS....
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That Navigation interface is god awful ugly, bet it works great but god if it doesn't look like something I saw on a website back in 1999

Someone want to explain why it is so hard for Chevy to make an interface that is at least decently attractive and intuitive, not just one or the other?

Glad they are bringing out a performance package other than the ZL1 though, it's good that they are bringing in a Track Pack for the SS....
Meh, its the retro tach/speedo guage housings I find hideous borderline revolting.
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That NAV screen looks sweet. I wonder what it would take to retrofit that?
Probably not much. I plan on adding it to my 2010.
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That Navigation interface is god awful ugly, bet it works great but god if it doesn't look like something I saw on a website back in 1999

Someone want to explain why it is so hard for Chevy to make an interface that is at least decently attractive and intuitive, not just one or the other?

Glad they are bringing out a performance package other than the ZL1 though, it's good that they are bringing in a Track Pack for the SS....
i don't see what's so hideous about it? It looks a million times better than all the other set up's we've seen.
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Meh, its the retro tach/speedo guage housings I find hideous borderline revolting.
Neither of them go good together

This looked good:



Change it to plastic and bam the interior goes down 2 notches....



I'm into technology so while you might see this:



This is what I see:




It's not the knobs that I find hideous it's the 1999 website design of the software itself, they integrated it quite well actually...
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its 1LE? Are they gonna have 2LE and 3LE too?
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I'm sure the SS guys willover my saying this but it would be cool if this package was extended to the V6 as well. Ok carry on....
Not a bad idea, just not sure how well it would sell. It would be one great handling Camaro with the perks of V-6 gas mileage.
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An SS 1LE? They should have focused on making a Z28 and not this option. Black hood, black spoiler, and black wheels, really? Calling a fully contented Camaro a 1LE is also laughable. Even worse that it looks like the Z28 won't be a model in the car's 5th Gen return/success. Such shame in that. Why is it that the E-Brake still cannot be leather wrapped?
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THIS.......IS..........AWESOME news!

I just got done ranting about my woes with my suspension. I may have to start putting my SS back to stock so I can sell it and buy a 1LE!
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They should have focused on making a Z28 and not this option. Black hood and black spoiler, really? Calling a fully contented Camaro a 1LE is also laughable. Even worse that it looks like the Z28 won't be a model in the car's 5th Gen return/success. Such shame in that. Why is it that the E-Brake still cannot be leather wrapped?
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What The 1LE consisted of: (Categorized & Year By Year)
In 1988, the secret showroom stock racing 1LE option (option level 0 IROC-Z) was first available; however, only 4 were produced. Then in 1989, the option became more well-known as 111 were produced that year. The package was obtained by ordering the following:

Level 1 IROC-Z with 5.0 TPI engine (LB9) with 5 speed or 5.7 TPI engine (L98) with 4-speed automatic. These Camaro's had 145 mph speedometers and 5500 rpm redline tachs. Optional axle ratio (G92) (305/3.45, 350/3.27) and its required options G80 Limited-Slip rear axle

Package consisted of (G92 Was Ordered With A/C) [Street Vehicle]:

engine oil cooler 4-wheel disc brakes Performance exhaust system (N10) (dual catalytic converters) Tires P245/50 ZR16 Goodyear Gatorback

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G92 ordered WITH A/C was classifieds as a Street vehicle.

G92 ordered WITHOUT A/C was classifieds as Race series.


Package consisted of (G92 Ordered Without A/C) [Race Vehicle]:

Aluminum driveshaft (JG1) (part # 10085375) G80 Differential with limited slip with 3.42 posi rear G92 Rear axle performance package Big front brakes adapted from the Corvette Larger (11.86 inch) front rotors (part # 18016035) Larger front spindles (part #'s 18016737 / 18016738) PBR front, dual-piston aluminum calipers (part #'s 10132827 / 10132828) Special swinging fuel pickup in gas tank and special 18 gallon baffled fuel tank for fuel pickup down to .5 gallon reserve to prevent fuel starvation in hard cornering specific front and rear shock absorbers Lower control arms (part # 10164151) Special deflected disc shocks Air conditioning delete (C41) (standard heater) (weight savings and better air flow to the radiator) Fog lamp delete (to release the air intake located behind) T-Tops delete Power accessories delete Aluminum spare wheel with smaller spare tire (N64) A Few RARE ones came with special 16" x 8" light alloy mesh wheels (XWL)

[edit]Yearly Information on the 1LE Option:
1988

Chevrolet built 4 "1LE" 1988 Camaro's for the SCC A Showroom Stock racing series. The reason only 4, virtually unknown to most Camaro racer-types at the time.

1989

Chevrolet built 111 "1LE" 1989 Camaro's for the SCC A Showroom Stock racing series. But 1LE wasn't ordered like other RPOs. Ordering the RPO G80 Limited-slip rear axle & G92 performance axle with an IROC-Z Coupe triggered the 1LE RPO. Here's how it worked: When G92 was ordered, it forced several other options including engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes, dual converter exhaust and P245/50ZR16 tires. A 1989 Camaro with G92 had to have either the 350ci (RPO B2L) engine with 4-speed automatic transmission, or the 305ci (RPO LB9) with 5-speed manual. These Camaro's had 145 mph speedometers and 5500 rpm redline tachs. If RPO G92 was ordered with air condition ing, the cars were built as street vehicles. If air conditioning was not ordered, Chevrolet added 1LE equipment for the race series. This included aluminum drive shaft, big front brakes adapted from the Corvette, fuel tank baffles, specific front and rear shock absorbers, and different jounce bumpers. Also, fog lamps were deleted for weight savings and better air flow to the radiator.

1990

Chevrolet built 62 "1LE" Z28 Coupes for the SCCA Showroom Stock racing series with RPO G80 Limited-slip rear axle & G92 RPO G92 performance axle triggering the build. RPO G92 required one of two engine combinations, the 305ci LB9 V8 with 5-speed manual, or the 350ci B2L V8 with 4-speed automatic transmission. When ordered with air conditioning, RPO G92 included engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes, and dual-converter exhaust. When ordered without air conditioning, RPO G92 added heavy-duty front brakes adapted from the Corvette, aluminum driveshaft and spare wheel, special shocks and fuel pickup, and gas tank baffle. Fog lamps, normally included with IROC models, were deleted for weight savings and better air flow to the radiator. Option cost for RPO G92 equipment with air conditioning was $466.00. The cost when air conditioning wasn't ordered was $675.00.

1991

Chevrolet built 478 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1991. The exact amount of true 1LE's is not known this year as a majority of the 478 units were "B4C" Special Service (or Police package) RS Camaros which had the 1LE front brakes (1LE brakes were a mid year option on the 91 B4C as it was quickly realized that the standard front brakes were not suitable for police use -thus some B4C's got the 1LE brakes and some did not). As in 1989 and 1990, Ordering the RPO G80 Limited-slip rear axle & G92 RPO G92 triggered the build. RPO G92 required one of two engine combinations, the 305ci LB9 V8 with 5-speed manual, or the 350ci B2L V8 with 4-speed automatic transmission. When ordered with air conditioning, RPO G92 ($466) included engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes (except for a brief period when 4-wheel discs were deleted with a $287 credit), and dual-converter exhaust. When ordered without air condi*tioning, RPO G92 ($675) added heavy-duty front brakes, aluminum driveshaft and spare wheel, special shocks and fuel pickup, and gas tank baffle. Fog lamps were deleted for weight savings and improved cooling.

[edit]1992
Chevrolet built 705 Camaro's with "1LE" special performance components equipment for 1992. Of the 705 units, 589 of these were the "B4C" Special Service (or Police package) cars which all included the 1LE front brakes. Content was different in the B4C as air conditioning was standard and the aluminum driveshaft, spare tire and other heavy duty suspension components were not included. In reality there were only 116 1LE "race prep" cars produced. As in 1989, 1990, and 1991, Ordering the RPO G80 Limited-slip rear axle & G92 RPO 1LE was triggered by RPO G92. RPO G92 required either the 305ci LB9 V8 with 5-speed manual, or the 350ci B2L V8 with 4-speed automatic transmission. When ordered with air conditioning ($466), RPO G92 included engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes, and dual-converter exhaust. Without air condition ing ($675), RPO G92 added heavy-duty front brakes, aluminum driveshaft and spare wheel, special shocks and fuel pickup, and gas tank baffle. Fog lamps were deleted for weight savings and better air flow to the radiator. Available for Z28 Coupes only.

1992 should be recognized as the peak of 3rd generation performance with the two models, the B4C Special Service package and the 1LE Race Prep package being the most covetted for collectors as both were produced in relatively low numbers and each had different content. The 1LE was the best handling and lightest package available, although the B4C had most of it's content and was the only way to get the big heavy duty racing brakes along with air conditioning and power windows/locks and mirrors if you wanted them.

[edit]1993
Chevrolet built only 19 Camaro's with "1LE" equipment for 1993. This included larger diameter front and rear stabilizer bars, stiffer shock absorber valving, harder durometer control arm bushings front and rear, power sterring cooler, and radiator baffles for added engine cooling. Air conditioning, power windows/locks or mirrors was not available with 1LE.

[edit]1994
Chevrolet built 135 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1994. Content changes slightly as the rear sway bar for 1LE and Z28 are the same (downsized from previous year) and the new Koni double adjustable shock absorbers becomes available as factory installed content in the 1LE.

[edit]1995
Chevrolet built 106 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1995.

[edit]1996
Chevrolet built 55 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1996. Air conditioning becomes standard in all camaros including the 1LE cars which was previously unavailable. Other power options are still restricted in the ordering process.

[edit]1996
Chevrolet built 55 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1996.

[edit]1997
Chevrolet built 48 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1997.

[edit]1998
Chevrolet built 99 Z28 Coupes with "1LE" equipment for 1998. If 99 were built why do the production number say none were built? I know where there is an SS 1LE. According to SLP it is the only one.

[edit]1999
Chevrolet built 74 "1LE" equipped camaros for 1999.Of these 74 units, 66 were Z28 and 8 were SS optioned (one of the SS's was an automatic and would be quite the collectible today!) This is the last year of the 1LE as installed from the factory. SLP adds 1LE as an option in later years but does not include previous content and is not factory installed by GM.

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I find it funny how people are already saying that there's no way this thing keeps up with a Boss LS...we haven't seen ANY numbers from it yet guys! Remember when everyone flipped out, saying that without weight reduction, there was no way the ZL1 would be a respectable track car? Then it laid down a 7:41.27 on the Nurburgring. And easily handled the Boss LS. And beat the GT-R at VIR. Still want to make that claim?

The guys building and designing these cars for GM are engineers. As a mechanical engineer myself, I can tell you that if the car isn't right and it isn't going to do what it's supposed to do, it won't get built. How about we enjoy the fact that Chevy is adding another Camaro to the line-up for at least a few days before we start jumping to conclusions and saying that they got in wrong? Hell, how about for once we don't jump to conclusions on the performance before it even hits the track?

Personally, I'm extremely excited for this car, and I'm glad that I decided to wait for the 2013 model year to buy my Camaro. Now I have to decide if I want to add the 1LE package to my SS. If the price is right, Chevy might have one of their first buyers right here Decisions, decisions...
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Personally, I'm extremely excited for this car, and I'm glad that I decided to wait for the 2013 model year to buy my Camaro. Now I have to decide if I want to add the 1LE package to my SS. If the price is right, Chevy might have one of their first buyers right here Decisions, decisions...
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