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Old 03-27-2012, 06:26 AM   #201
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We're damned if we do and damned if we don't --

the intent is to allow the customer to tailor his or her 1LE to the way they'd like it.

You may not like the RS package - but others just MAY want it.......

So.........I'd rather 'err' on the side of allowing people to choose options.

I don't see that as a "fail"........

fbodfather...you cant please everyone. lol

The 1LE to me should be a bare bones car...no extras.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:10 AM   #202
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Holy Crap that's alot of whining!! I thought us Camaro guys were, oh I don't know, Camaro Lovers?! All I see is a bunch of whiners drinking HaterAde...
We should all be proud/glad that GM is trying to keep us happy. I love my 2SS/RS but you know, I love the 1LE and the ZL1 too. The only thing that keeps me from owning all of them is a 7 figure income!

Stay focused people...enjoy what you have and buy the next one YOU like. Starting with 426hp is not a bad jump off point and neither is 580hp!
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:23 AM   #203
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I find it funny how people are already saying that there's no way this thing keeps up with a Boss LS...we haven't seen ANY numbers from it yet guys! Remember when everyone flipped out, saying that without weight reduction, there was no way the ZL1 would be a respectable track car? Then it laid down a 7:41.27 on the Nurburgring. And easily handled the Boss LS. And beat the GT-R at VIR. Still want to make that claim?

The guys building and designing these cars for GM are engineers. As a mechanical engineer myself, I can tell you that if the car isn't right and it isn't going to do what it's supposed to do, it won't get built. How about we enjoy the fact that Chevy is adding another Camaro to the line-up for at least a few days before we start jumping to conclusions and saying that they got in wrong? Hell, how about for once we don't jump to conclusions on the performance before it even hits the track?

Personally, I'm extremely excited for this car, and I'm glad that I decided to wait for the 2013 model year to buy my Camaro. Now I have to decide if I want to add the 1LE package to my SS. If the price is right, Chevy might have one of their first buyers right here Decisions, decisions...
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:32 AM   #204
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I'm basically doing all this stuff to my SS and I'm about 1/4th of the way done. I wish I could have waited.....too late, cant turn back. I'll just have to buy the steering wheel when it becomes available.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:47 AM   #205
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Which is what I will be buying
I'll third that Motion. But I do think this is the right move to have the 1LE plug the gap between the ZL1 and SS. Probably see a HP bump in the 2013 V8.

The Z/28 will see it's glory in the Gen6 and replace the 1LE.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:55 AM   #206
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Sorry, I don't think so.
I agree, the Z will have new engine. We're going to have to wait on the the C7 Corvette before we see a new Z.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:59 AM   #207
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I find it funny how people are already saying that there's no way this thing keeps up with a Boss LS...we haven't seen ANY numbers from it yet guys! Remember when everyone flipped out, saying that without weight reduction, there was no way the ZL1 would be a respectable track car? Then it laid down a 7:41.27 on the Nurburgring. And easily handled the Boss LS. And beat the GT-R at VIR. Still want to make that claim?

The guys building and designing these cars for GM are engineers. As a mechanical engineer myself, I can tell you that if the car isn't right and it isn't going to do what it's supposed to do, it won't get built. How about we enjoy the fact that Chevy is adding another Camaro to the line-up for at least a few days before we start jumping to conclusions and saying that they got in wrong? Hell, how about for once we don't jump to conclusions on the performance before it even hits the track?

Personally, I'm extremely excited for this car, and I'm glad that I decided to wait for the 2013 model year to buy my Camaro. Now I have to decide if I want to add the 1LE package to my SS. If the price is right, Chevy might have one of their first buyers right here Decisions, decisions...

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Old 03-27-2012, 08:00 AM   #208
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fbod, are there going to be more options. like, i dont know, mrc. Cuz i really want mrc. like really bad.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:04 AM   #209
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fbodfather...you cant please everyone. lol

The 1LE to me should be a bare bones car...no extras.

sooooo...........order it as a 1SS.


In order to remove Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Power Door locks, power mirrors, and other 'standard' features would cost substantially more money - it would require different wiring harnesses - close-out panels - the re-design of certain hardware and software...........you would be shocked at how much more the costs would be to do all of this...........

..............to sell how many more cars?????


Now - YOU can remove some of the stuff if you wish once you buy the car (...it will drive the BCM crazy by the way, depending on exactly WHAT it is that you remove..........)


We don't build 'em the way we did back in the 60s thru the 90s........

.....we build 'em much better and with more horsepower, engineering prowess, better fuel economy, lower emissions --


Sooooo.......for those of you who want a 'bare bones' 1LE - order the 1SS package - for those of you who want more 'stuff' -- order the 2SS package.............and free-flow options..........
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I'm not sure how I feel about it... part of me likes the idea of the 1LE and the other part is skeptical. Either way, I am glad GM is adding more options for the Camaro and we will have to see what the final outcome is for this car and how it performs... and more importantly how much this package/options costs?
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:12 AM   #211
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For Immediate Release: Tuesday, March 27, 2012

2013 Camaro 1LE: 426-hp, 1g cornering, under $40,000
�� 1LE features Camaro ZL1-inspired chassis and suspension enhancements
�� 2013 Camaro LT, SS and ZL1 models available with MyLink infotainment system


DETROIT – The road-racing inspired Camaro 1LE performance package returns for 2013 with
unique gearing, suspension tuning, and tires that makes the model capable of more than 1 g of
lateral acceleration and a sub-three minute lap time at Virginia International Raceway’s Grand
Course. It is offered on Camaro SS coupes with manual transmissions.

“The Camaro 1LE combines the best elements of the SS and ZL1 to take road-racing
performance to a whole new level,” said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. “That the 1LE
breaks the three-minute lap at VIR puts it in the upper echelon of performance cars. That it
starts under $40,000 makes the Camaro 1LE one of the most affordable, most capable trackday
cars offered by any manufacturer.”

In anticipation of consumers entering the 1LE in amateur-racing events, Chevrolet is pursuing
SCCA approval of the 1LE package for Touring Class competition.

For 2013, all Camaro SS models including the 1LE will feature standard variable-effort electric
power steering and an available dual-mode exhaust system. Both features were introduced on
the ZL1. Additionally, 2013 Camaro LT, SS and ZL1 models are available with Chevrolet’s color
touch radio with MyLink infotainment system.

“With the 2013 model year, Camaro offers something for almost every driver, including: the 323-
horsepower, 30-mpg 2LS; the all-new, 580-horsepower supercharged ZL1 convertible; the
COPO Camaro for drag-racing; and the new 1LE for amateur track days,” said John Fitzpatrick,
Camaro marketing manager. “We expect the range of choices, and enhancements for 2013, will
help Camaro remain America’s most-popular sports car.”

Camaro sales were up nearly 20 percent for the first two months of the year, building on an 8.5-
percent gain for all of 2011. The 1LE package goes on sale this fall with the 2013 Camaro line.
Pricing will be released later this year.

A heritage of handling
The Camaro 1LE package was introduced in 1988, inspired by Camaro’s involvement in Pro-Am
road racing.

For 2013, the 1LE package is offered only on 1SS and 2SS coupe models, featuring a 6.2L LS3
V-8, which is rated at 426 horsepower (318 kW) and 420 lb-ft of torque (569 Nm). In addition,
1LE is only available with a six-speed manual transmission.

While the Camaro SS features a Tremec TR6060-M10 for all-around performance, the Camaro
1LE features an exclusive Tremec TR6060-MM6. Paired with a numerically higher 3.91 finaldrive
ratio, the close-ratio gearing of the transmission is tuned for road-racing performance. As
with the ZL1, the 1LE transmission features a standard air-to-liquid cooling system for track use.
The 1LE also features exclusive, monotube rear dampers instead of the twin-tube dampers on
SS models. The new hardware allowed engineers to tune the 1LE suspension to focus on
optimal body-motion control while preserving much of the ride quality and wheel-motion control
of the Camaro SS.

Other changes to optimize the 1LE for track-day use include:

�� Larger, 27-mm solid front stabilizer bar, and 28-mm solid rear stabilizer bar for improved
body control

�� Higher-capacity rear-axle half shafts to cope with increased levels of traction

�� Strut tower brace for improved steering feel and response

�� ZL1-based 20 x 10-inch front and 20 x 11-inch aluminum wheels

�� 285/35ZR20 Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 tires front and rear (identical to the front tires
for ZL1)

�� ZL1 wheel bearings, toe links and rear shock mounts for improved on-track performance

�� ZL1 high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups for improved fuel delivery during
high-cornering

Visually, the 1LE package for 2013 is distinguished by its matte-black hood, front splitter and
rear spoiler – as well as the 10-spoke ZL1-based wheels, which are finished in black. The
functional front splitter and rear spoiler contribute to the car’s on-track performance by helping
to reduce aerodynamic lift at high speeds.

Inside, the 1LE package incorporates the ZL1’s flat-bottom steering wheel, trimmed in suededmicrofiber
and designed for easier heel-and-toe driving on the racetrack. The quick-acting,
short-throw shifter from the ZL1 is also trimmed in sueded microfiber.


Electric power steering and dual-mode exhaust bring ZL1 technology to SS models

All 2013 Camaro SS models, including the 1LE, will benefit from performance technologies that
debuted on the 580-horsepower Camaro ZL1.

The improvements began in 2012, when all SS Coupes incorporated the ZL1-derived chassis
element: Stabilizer bars with drop links repositioned outboard of the control arms. This made the
stabilizer bars four times more effective than in previous models, for improved control of body
roll and crisper response to steering input.

New for 2013, the electric power steering system developed for the ZL1 will be standard on all
2013 SS models. The variable ratio, variable effort system provides light efforts for easy
maneuverability at parking-lot speeds as well as increased resistance at higher speeds. This
provides more feedback, and a more direct steering feel, to the driver.

Also new for 2013 is an available dual-mode exhaust system, available on Camaro SS models
with the LS3 V8 engine and six-speed manual transmissions. Similar to the systems found on
the ZL1 and Corvette models, this vacuum-actuated system provides a quieter driving
experience at low engine speeds and a more aggressive sound at high engine speeds
.
MyLink connects you

Chevrolet’s color touch radio with MyLink infotainment is available on all 2013 Camaro LT, SS
and ZL1 models. The color touch radio, with a 7-inch touch screen, also can be paired with an
available in-dash GPS navigation system – a first for the Camaro.

The color touch radio with MyLink gives customers a higher level of in-vehicle wireless
connectivity and customized infotainment options, while building on the safety and security of
OnStar. It seamlessly integrates online services such as Pandora® internet radio and Stitcher
SmartRadio® using hands-free voice and touch-screen controls via Bluetooth-enabled phones.
MyLink adds stereo audio streaming and wireless control of smartphones, building on the voiceactivated
Bluetooth hands-free calling capability already offered in most Chevy vehicles. The
high-resolution, full-color touch screen display makes media selection easy to navigate.

MyLink also retains all the capabilities of today’s entertainment functions, including
AM/FM/Sirius XM tuners, auxiliary and USB inputs.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:12 AM   #212
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Sweeeeeet. Another great Camaro to be unleashed! The red/black color combo on the concept looks amazing. Wish I had the cash to get one........
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:14 AM   #213
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OFFICIAL 1LE press release.......

Another great new Camaro model.................

It IS INDEED a great time to be a Camaro Enthusiast!

For Immediate Release: Tuesday, March 27, 2012

2013 Camaro 1LE: 426-hp, 1g cornering, under $40,000
�� 1LE features Camaro ZL1-inspired chassis and suspension enhancements
�� 2013 Camaro LT, SS and ZL1 models available with MyLink infotainment system


DETROIT – The road-racing inspired Camaro 1LE performance package returns for 2013 with
unique gearing, suspension tuning, and tires that makes the model capable of more than 1 g of
lateral acceleration and a sub-three minute lap time at Virginia International Raceway’s Grand
Course. It is offered on Camaro SS coupes with manual transmissions.

“The Camaro 1LE combines the best elements of the SS and ZL1 to take road-racing
performance to a whole new level,” said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. “That the 1LE
breaks the three-minute lap at VIR puts it in the upper echelon of performance cars. That it
starts under $40,000 makes the Camaro 1LE one of the most affordable, most capable trackday
cars offered by any manufacturer.”

In anticipation of consumers entering the 1LE in amateur-racing events, Chevrolet is pursuing
SCCA approval of the 1LE package for Touring Class competition.

For 2013, all Camaro SS models including the 1LE will feature standard variable-effort electric
power steering and an available dual-mode exhaust system. Both features were introduced on
the ZL1. Additionally, 2013 Camaro LT, SS and ZL1 models are available with Chevrolet’s color
touch radio with MyLink infotainment system.

“With the 2013 model year, Camaro offers something for almost every driver, including: the 323-
horsepower, 30-mpg 2LS; the all-new, 580-horsepower supercharged ZL1 convertible; the
COPO Camaro for drag-racing; and the new 1LE for amateur track days,” said John Fitzpatrick,
Camaro marketing manager. “We expect the range of choices, and enhancements for 2013, will
help Camaro remain America’s most-popular sports car.”

Camaro sales were up nearly 20 percent for the first two months of the year, building on an 8.5-
percent gain for all of 2011. The 1LE package goes on sale this fall with the 2013 Camaro line.
Pricing will be released later this year.

A heritage of handling
The Camaro 1LE package was introduced in 1988, inspired by Camaro’s involvement in Pro-Am
road racing.

For 2013, the 1LE package is offered only on 1SS and 2SS coupe models, featuring a 6.2L LS3
V-8, which is rated at 426 horsepower (318 kW) and 420 lb-ft of torque (569 Nm). In addition,
1LE is only available with a six-speed manual transmission.

While the Camaro SS features a Tremec TR6060-M10 for all-around performance, the Camaro
1LE features an exclusive Tremec TR6060-MM6. Paired with a numerically higher 3.91 finaldrive
ratio, the close-ratio gearing of the transmission is tuned for road-racing performance. As
with the ZL1, the 1LE transmission features a standard air-to-liquid cooling system for track use.
The 1LE also features exclusive, monotube rear dampers instead of the twin-tube dampers on
SS models. The new hardware allowed engineers to tune the 1LE suspension to focus on
optimal body-motion control while preserving much of the ride quality and wheel-motion control
of the Camaro SS.

Other changes to optimize the 1LE for track-day use include:

�� Larger, 27-mm solid front stabilizer bar, and 28-mm solid rear stabilizer bar for improved
body control

�� Higher-capacity rear-axle half shafts to cope with increased levels of traction

�� Strut tower brace for improved steering feel and response

�� ZL1-based 20 x 10-inch front and 20 x 11-inch aluminum wheels

�� 285/35ZR20 Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 tires front and rear (identical to the front tires
for ZL1)

�� ZL1 wheel bearings, toe links and rear shock mounts for improved on-track performance

�� ZL1 high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups for improved fuel delivery during
high-cornering

Visually, the 1LE package for 2013 is distinguished by its matte-black hood, front splitter and
rear spoiler – as well as the 10-spoke ZL1-based wheels, which are finished in black. The
functional front splitter and rear spoiler contribute to the car’s on-track performance by helping
to reduce aerodynamic lift at high speeds.

Inside, the 1LE package incorporates the ZL1’s flat-bottom steering wheel, trimmed in suededmicrofiber
and designed for easier heel-and-toe driving on the racetrack. The quick-acting,
short-throw shifter from the ZL1 is also trimmed in sueded microfiber.


Electric power steering and dual-mode exhaust bring ZL1 technology to SS models

All 2013 Camaro SS models, including the 1LE, will benefit from performance technologies that
debuted on the 580-horsepower Camaro ZL1.

The improvements began in 2012, when all SS Coupes incorporated the ZL1-derived chassis
element: Stabilizer bars with drop links repositioned outboard of the control arms. This made the
stabilizer bars four times more effective than in previous models, for improved control of body
roll and crisper response to steering input.

New for 2013, the electric power steering system developed for the ZL1 will be standard on all
2013 SS models. The variable ratio, variable effort system provides light efforts for easy
maneuverability at parking-lot speeds as well as increased resistance at higher speeds. This
provides more feedback, and a more direct steering feel, to the driver.

Also new for 2013 is an available dual-mode exhaust system, available on Camaro SS models
with the LS3 V8 engine and six-speed manual transmissions. Similar to the systems found on
the ZL1 and Corvette models, this vacuum-actuated system provides a quieter driving
experience at low engine speeds and a more aggressive sound at high engine speeds
.
MyLink connects you

Chevrolet’s color touch radio with MyLink infotainment is available on all 2013 Camaro LT, SS
and ZL1 models. The color touch radio, with a 7-inch touch screen, also can be paired with an
available in-dash GPS navigation system – a first for the Camaro.

The color touch radio with MyLink gives customers a higher level of in-vehicle wireless
connectivity and customized infotainment options, while building on the safety and security of
OnStar. It seamlessly integrates online services such as Pandora® internet radio and Stitcher
SmartRadio® using hands-free voice and touch-screen controls via Bluetooth-enabled phones.
MyLink adds stereo audio streaming and wireless control of smartphones, building on the voiceactivated
Bluetooth hands-free calling capability already offered in most Chevy vehicles. The
high-resolution, full-color touch screen display makes media selection easy to navigate.

MyLink also retains all the capabilities of today’s entertainment functions, including
AM/FM/Sirius XM tuners, auxiliary and USB inputs.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:20 AM   #214
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Very Nice....


Now, more than ever, I wonder why I broke my "DON'T BY THE FIRST MODEL YEAR OF A CAR" rule.
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As much as I like the ZL1 IMHO this is the Best Bang for your buck and they will sell like hotcakes
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Sub 3 min at VIR is really really fast. BTW, the Boss LS does it in 3:02
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sooooo...........order it as a 1SS.


In order to remove Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Power Door locks, power mirrors, and other 'standard' features would cost substantially more money - it would require different wiring harnesses - close-out panels - the re-design of certain hardware and software...........you would be shocked at how much more the costs would be to do all of this...........

..............to sell how many more cars?????


Now - YOU can remove some of the stuff if you wish once you buy the car (...it will drive the BCM crazy by the way, depending on exactly WHAT it is that you remove..........)


We don't build 'em the way we did back in the 60s thru the 90s........

.....we build 'em much better and with more horsepower, engineering prowess, better fuel economy, lower emissions --


Sooooo.......for those of you who want a 'bare bones' 1LE - order the 1SS package - for those of you who want more 'stuff' -- order the 2SS package.............and free-flow options..........
He's right guys. For example, Porsche charges you more to remove things like A/C and power windows because it requires extra development and parts that the standard production cars wouldn't have otherwise had.
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Look out boss. I'm definitely looking into some of those parts.
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The 1LE looks awesome in my opinion. Will it be available with the RS package?
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