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Old 03-27-2012, 12:29 PM   #18
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Honestly I think all the Camaros look alike from the v6 to the Lz1
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:30 PM   #19
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I don't think it looks at all like a zl1. They both look good in there own way.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:36 PM   #20
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Considering they all start with the base Camaro, it's hard to avoid that. Most people that are not car people will never blink an eye at the difference between a v6 and a SS/1LE/ZL1.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:54 PM   #21
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I think the 1LE should be called the SS with a ZL1 appearance pkg. It reminds me of how the GS pkg on the Vett make it look just like a Z06.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:05 PM   #22
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Honestly I think all the Camaros look alike from the v6 to the Lz1
Man, I can't wait to see a LZ1, never heard of one of those!! J/K!

I do agree that they all look SIMILAR (and they should since they're all the same base car), but to say a ZL1 and a V6 look alike is like saying a Subaru Impreza looks like a WRX STi.

To the trained eye, they definitely look different (even my wife can spot the differences). To the untrained eye, they probably don't care anyway!

Back on topic, I think the 1LE looks great, but I love the looks of the ZL1 more. There are enough distinct features that set it apart for a true enthusiast to know the difference, then there is the matter of the GO pedal....
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The look doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is more around the fact that with the 1LE in the mix at $40k I am having trouble seeing the $15k price difference to the ZL1
When GM offers full dosclosure on all technical details of 1LE, I'd suggest comparing them to ZL1. There is a lot more technology, at least at this point, in ZL1 to making it a great all-around sports car. 1LE sounds to be more track oriented, so it doesn't have all the technology stuffed into ZL1. I thought GM might add some more goodies into 1LE (or what I thought may eventually be Z28) from ZL1, but it's hard to argue with the price
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:17 PM   #24
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I don't think it looks like the ZL-1. It looks more like a SS with different wheels. which is how is should be.

The 1LE package is really just a performace pack to the Z28 in the past. So since there is no Z28 it is just a Perfromace pack for the SS.

To me the zL-1 gets it looks form the hood and facia which ths 1LE.

It hink peopel get too caught up in this. I mean when you look at a first getn camaro the packages were very minor tweeks just like they are doing today.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:23 PM   #25
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The look doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is more around the fact that with the 1LE in the mix at $40k I am having trouble seeing the $15k price difference to the ZL1
mag ride suspention ~3k
lsa motor 6-7k (price the LSA then the LS3 big $$$ dif.)
all the track pack ~3k
updraded trany, diff, etc should make up the other ~2k

that gets you to 15k.

now on the flip side if somebody does not want the mag ride just boost or add N/a power to the 1lE. The 1le has teh .74 5th so all those people that drive in the 190's regularly would get there extra top end.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:27 PM   #26
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mag ride suspention ~3k
lsa motor 6-7k (price the LSA then the LS3 big $$$ dif.)
all the track pack ~3k
updraded trany, diff, etc should make up the other ~2k

that gets you to 15k.

now on the flip side if somebody does not want the mag ride just boost or add N/a power to the 1lE. The 1le has teh .74 5th so all those people that drive in the 190's regularly would get there extra top end.
Don't forget functional aerodynamic enhancements All the electronic magic through PTM and LC probably add even more value to the hardware you just posted
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:51 PM   #27
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Maybe its just me, but the 1LE borrows a little too much from the ZL1 for me. I know the real difference is under the hood, but going down the street they will look very similar. I liked the world where no other Camaro looked like the ZL1. It still bothers me that most people don't know if my SS is a V6 or V8. That being said I guess most people will not know my ZL1 is supercharged, exotic slaying beast
Sounds like CLASS WARFARE has got a hold on ya! You don't want people to think you are bourgeoisie if you are indeed proletariat! Or vice versa! It seems GM has enough cars/plans to satisfy the desires of all the classes. GM needs to sell enough Camaro's to exceed beyond that spent on constant and variable capital. That would be called "profit".... (just trying to add some humor here folks)... hmmmm

But maybe the design is breaking down the barriers to each where we are becoming a classless society. We really can't have that, if that is what you mean by your question. Because with no classes there would be no need for a state. A stateless society would become communistic!
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:53 PM   #28
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Maybe its just me, but the 1LE borrows a little too much from the ZL1 for me. I know the real difference is under the hood, but going down the street they will look very similar. I liked the world where no other Camaro looked like the ZL1. It still bothers me that most people don't know if my SS is a V6 or V8. That being said I guess most people will not know my ZL1 is supercharged, exotic slaying beast
Is this even for real? Exactly what part of a 1LE looks like a ZL1 going down the road? The side rockers, spoiler , quad exhaust tips and rims?

I'm pretty sure your not going to mistake a ZL1's front fascia and hood coming at you on the road for one of the lesser models.

Maybe a COPO is in order for more exclusivity. Wait.... that kinda resembles a 5th gen as well.

Oh well, off to the Bugatti dealer so i will NEVER be mistaken for a Camaro again.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:23 PM   #29
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The hood sets the two apart enough, and I would bet the exhaust will be differant as well. The 1LE will help fill in a void between the SS and the ZL1 and have a warrantry to boot. When we first heard about the future
ZL1, there were many on this forums hoping for a Z28 for around the 40K
price. Sounds like this is going to be the answer for those, unless of course you were also interested in loosing another 300 lbs and a LS7 engine. Oh well wishfull thinking I suppose. But this car will fill a need, and if your going to invest R & D in the ZL1, you might as well use some of it for the other models in the family tree.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:27 PM   #30
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Is this even for real? Exactly what part of a 1LE looks like a ZL1 going down the road? The side rockers, spoiler , quad exhaust tips and rims?

I'm pretty sure your not going to mistake a ZL1's front fascia and hood coming at you on the road for one of the lesser models.

Maybe a COPO is in order for more exclusivity. Wait.... that kinda resembles a 5th gen as well.

Oh well, off to the Bugatti dealer so i will NEVER be mistaken for a Camaro again.
So can I offer you a LS camaro with a LSA for 60K?? From the side and rear the 1LE and the ZL1 are very similar. I am just saying the 1LE could at least have its own rims While we are at it lets not be naive, when you pay more for something you like for people to know that. People like for others to know they are driving something special period. Still don't believe me check out the sales of the VW Phaeton.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:07 PM   #31
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Don't forget functional aerodynamic enhancements All the electronic magic through PTM and LC probably add even more value to the hardware you just posted
I yeah there is more I was just trying to illustrate that just the hard parts could cost 15k.

People always brig up the cost of the ZL-1 then state they could add all that for less but in reality you would struggle to add all ot if for less. you may be able to add the part you like for less.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:14 PM   #32
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Agreed, seems that everything that would differentiate the ZL1 from other models was 'borrowed' for this package. Everything except the hood looks similar, all the front, side, rear body moldings, the exhaust, and wheels look the same.
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Maybe its just me, but the 1LE borrows a little too much from the ZL1 for me. I know the real difference is under the hood, but going down the street they will look very similar. I liked the world where no other Camaro looked like the ZL1. It still bothers me that most people don't know if my SS is a V6 or V8. That being said I guess most people will not know my ZL1 is supercharged, exotic slaying beast
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The look doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is more around the fact that with the 1LE in the mix at $40k I am having trouble seeing the $15k price difference to the ZL1
I see both sides to the argument but I agree more with with these guys here. In 69' the ZL1 was so exclusive hell they only built 69 of them. Now with the new ZL1 and a $15K-$20K difference from the 1LE, a little more exclusivity would be nice for the ZL1.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about making your Camaro the way you want it to look and who cares what others think but like I said, the ZL1 should be a little more exclusive. If GM had developed new wheels for the 1LE instead of using the SSX/ZL1 wheels, then I would have no problems at all. At least then it would not look like a ZL1 at first glance. But in the end its still a Camaro and that's all that should matter
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The look doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is more around the fact that with the 1LE in the mix at $40k I am having trouble seeing the $15k price difference to the ZL1
Especiially since the LSA's internals are not forged. If you wanted a ZL! and then upgrade the blower, you would probably better served buying the 1Le and putting an aftermarket blower on it. Both will require a new shortblock if you want to get silly..
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"While they were working on the 1LE, GM’s engineers also grabbed everything they could out of the Camaro ZL1‘s parts bin, so the 1LE also gets ZL1-spec tires, ZL1-based wheels, the ZL1′s track-oriented fuel pump and its wheel bearings, toe links and rear shock mounts. It also gets the ZL1′s suede-esque shift lever and flat-bottom steering wheel, just for kicks". (Web Review of 1LE)


We all know most people will mistake a ZL1 for any other Camaro. Those same people will mistake a Shelby for just a Mustang and a M3 for just a BMW. To me thats really not the point, non car people are non car people for a reason, they could care less. I just feel some of the ZL1's uniqueness has been lost by sharing so many of its specific parts.
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