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Old 03-27-2012, 06:20 PM   #51
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The 1LE has picked up some exciting ZL1 components which continues to evolve the C5 platform. I debated for months bringing my 10 2SS to Ligenfelter for an engine build up and suspension enhancement. Then, sure enough GM roles out some really cool technology and upgrades to the ZL1. I order and wait for my allocation, then wamm... they role out the 1LE, which I think is similar to the ZO6 Corvette and Grand Sport relationship. If you can't afford the engine, you get almost all of the other components. Bottom line, the Magnetic Suspension still beats the upgraded suspension in the 1LE, and what about the 580 horses. Now we know the price difference. But you have a choice. Great job GM.
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:35 PM   #52
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:02 PM   #53
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The 1LE in my opinion is the Camaro Ls7 concept without the Almighty LS7
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LS7 concept
Only thing it shares is the side skirts and rear wing. Everything else is pretty different.
Be happy they didnt stuf the MRC into it like it was originally uneveiled. Then I would be pissed.
Not sure why they didnt just call this the Z28. Oh well wont bring that topic in here
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PS those SSX wheels, GM has thrown them on every model you can think of! Literally.
Even the spark and cruze has them in their concepts which I wont be surprised if they became wheel options for them
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:13 PM   #55
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When GM offers full dosclosure on all technical details of 1LE, I'd suggest comparing them to ZL1. There is a lot more technology, at least at this point, in ZL1 to making it a great all-around sports car. 1LE sounds to be more track oriented, so it doesn't have all the technology stuffed into ZL1. I thought GM might add some more goodies into 1LE (or what I thought may eventually be Z28) from ZL1, but it's hard to argue with the price

all the techincal details were posted on another thread
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:02 PM   #56
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for me gm missed the exclusivity with the ZL-1.
it should be more distinct from the others.

when you see a porsche turbo and an gt3rs you can tell the difference..

anyway i don't like that, it will have the same wheels, steering,suede, exhaust.. etc..

they {GM} could of put others wheels on it..
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:13 PM   #57
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Only thing it shares is the side skirts and rear wing. Everything else is pretty different.
Be happy they didnt stuf the MRC into it like it was originally uneveiled. Then I would be pissed.
Not sure why they didnt just call this the Z28. Oh well wont bring that topic in here

Side skirts, wheels, tires, quad exhaust, if it shared anymore it would just be a ZL1 clone on the exterior. I think the idea is good, having a Boss competitor, but it needs some different styling ques.







I guess they don't look alike
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:22 PM   #58
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Wow look their both Mustangs, but hey they look different, it can be done.




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Old 03-27-2012, 09:30 PM   #59
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Chevrolet is slowly running out of ideas. "1LE" looks like a poor man's ZL-1. Rear diffuser could have been different even a different wing.
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:38 PM   #60
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I love GM and everything Camaro, but I always want to stay not one, but two steps ahead of our competition (three ahead of F#$@). I think once the 1LE hits the showroom floors it will look less like the ZL1, I am keeping the faith. Before the 1LE the ZL1 really set itself apart from the other Camaros, and I liked that.
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:53 PM   #61
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I dont understand why they dont start with a base model camaro and from there you could check what you wanted. Understandably certain features would require certain additonal items. For me i cant stand the front bumper on the v8 cars. Why cant i buy a v6 car with a v8?

I think it would be nice if i liked these wheels and this engine I could actually buy that instead of just offering it in certain trims. And then i am stuck with certain options.


We could do that!


Are you willing to pay thousands more for each Camaro model?


there's a reason that only the "Ultra-Luxury" cars in the world still allow 'free-flow' options...........Cost.

Every manufacturer has 'deproliferized' their product lines.


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I think that its a great package. The only thing I'd recommend to chevy is to make the ssx wheels a little different on the zl1, such as a combo of black and polished surfaces, similarly to the carbon concept zl1, and/or make a polished ssx wheel optioin for the zl1.

The more camaro varieties available will be better for us. One other thing I'd recommend is to make the 1le more of a track concept by making it lighter than the 'ss with some racing seats, and anything else that would reduce weight.

while we're 'guessing' - please take a 'guess' at what ONE wheel program costs......

(...remember - there is a LOT of validation that takes place so that a wheel doesn't come apart at 90,000 miles when someone's doing 100mph on a freeway....)


We can make it lighter as well........are you willing to pay thousands of dollars more for titanium and aluminum and composite components to lose weight?

Remember - this is a Camaro.......it has to be affordable and offer more than expected at a Chevrolet price. (look at the performance of the ZL1 and compare it with supercars....)
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Old 03-28-2012, 02:14 AM   #63
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yeah I can't even tell wich is the ford.




my .02 is car people will see the differences other people won't. I like the hood and front facia from the ZL-1 alot so ot me it looks different. the same way the shelby and the boss do from the front. from there rear spoiler and badge.
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Remember that 99% of the people that pass you on the road aren't going to care what kind of car you are driving. Most won't know that you're driving a camaro, let alone a ZL1 or 1LE.

Guess what........to most people.......it's just a CAR.

Most people.........AREN'T........car enthusiasts like us (I know, big shocker).

That pretentious looking blond that just drove by in the range rover? Guess what..........she doesn't give a crap what kind of Camaro you're driving, let alone what type of car it is! lol.

This talk of exclusivity......I mean it's just ridiculous. It's a Camaro for god's sakes, not a Lambo Aventador or Ferrari Pinafarina.
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Wow look their both Mustangs, but hey they look different, it can be done.




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Side skirts, wheels, tires, quad exhaust, if it shared anymore it would just be a ZL1 clone on the exterior. I think the idea is good, having a Boss competitor, but it needs some different styling ques.







I guess they don't look alike
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Old 03-28-2012, 09:54 AM   #67
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all the techincal details were posted on another thread
I must have missed the tranny ratios, what diff' they're using (SS or ZL1) and what coolers they are using in that other thread...
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The 1LE is nothing but a SS with added ZL-1 parts on it.
Like someone modded a SS

The ZL-1 will have a completely different looking frontend along with belly pan and etc.

Mod a 1LE engine wise and you will have a hell of a track car/driver and I don't mean drag racing.
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I must have missed the tranny ratios, what diff' they're using (SS or ZL1) and what coolers they are using in that other thread...
I know they use bigger "half shafts", but you are right. We don't know if it's the "beefier" 200# heavier differential. And, we really don't know if the half shafts are as beefy as the ZL1's either. I am really digging the fact they are making the 3:91 final ratio. This could be geared very very well and "scream"..... really "s c r e a m "..... in the 20mph to 110mph range! Might really train the Boss and .... give the ZL1 some lower end "runs for the money"!!

It won't be too long and I think JusticePete will be clarifying some details for us! Comon Pete! Dig out the info! Is "this" Z28 material? Ahem...
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Hmmm, lets see I had a 97 Camaro (loved it), I am going to go with 500,000 plus? There are 221,184 ways to build a Whopper I think the free flow options are what made the older muscle cars so collectible. It seems like no one car was the same back then. I total understand why we do not have that level of customization in todays market.

The cost of one wheel program, hmmm I am going to go with 1 million to develop a new wheel? If its more than that someone needs ask the GMC guys why they needed five 20 inch rim options, and three 22 inch rim options for the Denali.

I understand you can not break the bank to have every Camaro trim line look total different. I also understand that the ZL1 is a Camaro and not a Ferrari. On a side note the $200,000 Ferrari California has the same navigation from my brothers 2007 V6 Chrysler 300. So for those complaining about the new touch screen or lack of, think about that. Well back to my point, the forth gen Camaro looked almost identical in all trim lines V6, Z28, and SS. That did not bother me much, and in fact the 4th gen is one of my favorite cars. The difference between then and now is the ZL1 is special (at least in my eyes) and the crescendo of Camaro performance. This is the Legend and Ultimate Camaro, his little brother (1LE) should not get to wear his varsity jacket.
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I was going to post pics of the Boss rear end and the Shelby rear end, but I can't take looking at to many F*#@
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mag ride suspention ~3k
lsa motor 6-7k (price the LSA then the LS3 big $$$ dif.)
all the track pack ~3k
updraded trany, diff, etc should make up the other ~2k

that gets you to 15k.

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Hmmm, lets see I had a 97 Camaro (loved it), I am going to go with 500,000 plus? There are 221,184 ways to build a Whopper I think the free flow options are what made the older muscle cars so collectible. It seems like no one car was the same back then. I total understand why we do not have that level of customization in todays market.

The cost of one wheel program, hmmm I am going to go with 1 million to develop a new wheel? If its more than that someone needs ask the GMC guys why they needed five 20 inch rim options, and three 22 inch rim options for the Denali.

I understand you can not break the bank to have every Camaro trim line look total different. I also understand that the ZL1 is a Camaro and not a Ferrari. On a side note the $200,000 Ferrari California has the same navigation from my brothers 2007 V6 Chrysler 300. So for those complaining about the new touch screen or lack of, think about that. Well back to my point, the forth gen Camaro looked almost identical in all trim lines V6, Z28, and SS. That did not bother me much, and in fact the 4th gen is one of my favorite cars. The difference between then and now is the ZL1 is special (at least in my eyes) and the crescendo of Camaro performance. This is the Legend and Ultimate Camaro, his little brother (1LE) should not get to wear his varsity jacket.
I agree they should not look or sound(exhaust) very similar. The only visible differences now are the hood and front bumper - that's not enough for an "exclusive" car. That's a shame. I understand costs are involved but then give it the SS wheels, etc.... A 3000 units model should not look like the other 100,000 camaros produced per year. None of the Ferarris look the same and that's one of teh reasons they are so desirable. You can tell when you see one. The Veyron doesn't look like anything else. Get my drift? Do you want people to say: "It's a Camaro!" OR "It's a ZL1!" The "star" ZL1 should not look like the "underdog " 1LE !
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I like the red calipers much better on the LE over the black ones on the ZL1.

chevrolet should switch them out, the ZL should have RED calipers
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