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Old 03-31-2012, 01:04 AM   #176
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SheS obviously being forced against her will!!! Took her wheels off and everything! This is sick!
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SO glad other Camaros can sound close to the ZL1, now.

I think PQ's Camaro and a couple of others on here might sound as good as a ZL1? I think you just signed yourself up for a sound off at the Fest young man
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SheS obviously being forced against her will!!! Took her wheels off and everything! This is sick!
I think she just wanted to be famous by having her pictures plastered all over the internet. There is probably a youtube video starring her too
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:11 AM   #179
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I think she just wanted to be famous by having her pictures plastered all over the internet. There is probably a youtube video starring her too


Watching it now on Youtube, but I had to sign in, because it had adult content
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wow can you say exploiting!!!!!
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hey guys I almost have 2k posts... just thought id let you know
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Old 03-31-2012, 02:56 AM   #183
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SheS obviously being forced against her will!!! Took her wheels off and everything! This is sick!

I just saw a u tube video with Shaniqua and a GT500.

She was idling wildly and she had no car cover on and.......her trunk wide open!
OMG, another Junk in the trunk video!

Hmmm she seemed to be enjoying herself!
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And that's my point about the name SUCKING.

Mustang has the BOSS and the SHELBY.

The ZL1 will become iconic like the Z28 did but the 1LE just sounds stupid.

GT500 vs ZL1 is a battle.

Boss vs 1LE is just stupid in the name.

Just my opinion. Sure, they might battle on the track but in the name alone the Boss wins before it even get's started, especially since it's mainly bench racing that sells cars.

Hmmmmmmm...............time for a 'lil Camaro history lesson..........
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I gotta run and catch a plane....but very quickly:

How many of you know when the first Z06 was offered? (no - stop going to google or reaching for the black book........off the top of your head, when did the Z06 originally hit the streets?)

When we brought it back for the C5 Corvette, Corvette Enthusiasts who had been around for a while IMMEDIATELY knew that the new Z06 (from a storied history) was going to be a force to be reckoned with....... Others hadn't a clue as to what Z06 meant other than "OK - it starts with a 'Z' -- so it must be some RPO code and it's spec'd to kill some other cars on the track...."

Most know what a Z06 is now...........


The "1LE" moniker had performance enthusiasts mystified back in the 80s - it wasn't really an "RPO" in the traditional sense in that you didn't 'opt' for the 1LE package--- rather, you had to 'trick' the system in order to get all the goodies........and goodies they were.

As to naming cars - the only thing I can think of that's more subjective is color choice. I don't care if we called this new car "The Second coming of Christ" (and I do not mean that in a sacrilegious manner in the least!) - there would be those complaining about that..........

When applying nameplates to a legendary brand such as Corvette or Camaro - it's much like a mine-field - you're gonna get people blowing you up......so you'd better have done due diligence prior to putting the moniker on an offering.

The 1LE is a storied brand - and it is a well-thought-out nameplate for a Camaro SS that's about to shock a lot of people when they get it on a road course............

Lecture over.


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Strangely enough, it looks like a camaro as well!
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Old 03-31-2012, 12:03 PM   #188
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If I remember correctly the Z06 showed up in the late sixties. The only thing I remember about it was that it had a 30 gallon gas tank. I also think 1LE is a great nod to the past but will quickly make its name known, much like the ZL1.
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I gotta run and catch a plane....but very quickly:

How many of you know when the first Z06 was offered? (no - stop going to google or reaching for the black book........off the top of your head, when did the Z06 originally hit the streets?)

When we brought it back for the C5 Corvette, Corvette Enthusiasts who had been around for a while IMMEDIATELY knew that the new Z06 (from a storied history) was going to be a force to be reckoned with....... Others hadn't a clue as to what Z06 meant other than "OK - it starts with a 'Z' -- so it must be some RPO code and it's spec'd to kill some other cars on the track...."

Most know what a Z06 is now...........


The "1LE" moniker had performance enthusiasts mystified back in the 80s - it wasn't really an "RPO" in the traditional sense in that you didn't 'opt' for the 1LE package--- rather, you had to 'trick' the system in order to get all the goodies........and goodies they were.

As to naming cars - the only thing I can think of that's more subjective is color choice. I don't care if we called this new car "The Second coming of Christ" (and I do not mean that in a sacrilegious manner in the least!) - there would be those complaining about that..........

When applying nameplates to a legendary brand such as Corvette or Camaro - it's much like a mine-field - you're gonna get people blowing you up......so you'd better have done due diligence prior to putting the moniker on an offering.

The 1LE is a storied brand - and it is a well-thought-out nameplate for a Camaro SS that's about to shock a lot of people when they get it on a road course............

Lecture over.


(....for now)
I understand completely... but I might argue that people still don't know about Zora Arkus-Duntov's RPO Z06 for 1963, they just know Z06 because of how awesome they were for the C5, and even more so with the C6.

I for one like maintaining consistency through the generations. Cars need to move forward of course, but I also like being able to trace the history backwards as well.
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I love the look of the 1LE. And yes it steals some of its looks from the ZL1.

I put an SLP Slitter and ZL1 side skirts on my car because I really like the look.
But I don't want my car to look too much like the ZL1. For that reason, I would not put the ZL1 front end on my car. And I also like the way the front end looks on the Camaro SS.

Here's a pic of my car with the SLP Splitter and ZL1 side skirts.

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Considering they all start with the base Camaro, it's hard to avoid that. Most people that are not car people will never blink an eye at the difference between a v6 and a SS/1LE/ZL1.
True statements. But, think the same is true for the Mustangs, too. The Boss is easy to pick out, but the rest of them, especially now that they all get the GT500 front end treatment in 2013 are going to be harder to tell apart.
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I understand completely... but I might argue that people still don't know about Zora Arkus-Duntov's RPO Z06 for 1963, they just know Z06 because of how awesome they were for the C5, and even more so with the C6.

I for one like maintaining consistency through the generations. Cars need to move forward of course, but I also like being able to trace the history backwards as well.

And that's my point......some may not know what a 1LE is - but they're about to get the suprise of their life!

Those who know the 1LE name for the most part have a reverent respect for the name.........those who do not are, for the most part - about to!
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And that's my point......some may not know what a 1LE is - but they're about to get the suprise of their life!

Those who know the 1LE name for the most part have a reverent respect for the name.........those who do not are, for the most part - about to!
Fair enough.

But I like 'The second coming of Christ' better. Why couldn't they name it that?

I guess my point was to sell cars. Not to make enthusiasts happy. (I'm Camaros bitch. I'll be here anyway, lol) I just figured a more catchy name would grab more attention from non-enthusiasts.

But if GM is going to let the car do it's own talking then that's perfectly reasonable. A lot of people are going to see it and think it's 'The Shelby Killer' thnking it's the ZL1. I guess that's not a bad thing though.

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You know, the SAME WTF!! headscratching went on last Feb. when the ZL1 Model was "surprisingly" announced instead of Z28..."What's a ZL1"?!

Today, no one complains about that ZL1 moniker...even though, to be "historically correct", it should have housed an all-aluminum 427 naturally aspirated LS7, in some "history professors' " minds...

Re: SHELBY...wasn't there a pickup truck with a crappy convertible top (!?!) by that name? And some FWD econoboxes (I could have used the SHI_-word in front of "boxes"...) with the Shelby name...

Names, and cache', are ALWAYS in the mind of the beholder...and "frame of reference" is NOT "constant"...
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Fair enough.

But I like 'The second coming of Christ' better. Why couldn't they name it that?

I guess my point was to sell cars. Not to make enthusiasts happy. (I'm Camaros bitch. I'll be here anyway, lol) I just figured a more catchy name would grab more attention from non-enthusiasts.

But if GM is going to let the car do it's own talking then that's perfectly reasonable. A lot of people are going to see it and think it's 'The Shelby Killer' thnking it's the ZL1. I guess that's not a bad thing though.

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You know, the SAME WTF!! headscratching went on last Feb. when the ZL1 Model was "surprisingly" announced instead of Z28..."What's a ZL1"?!

Today, no one complains about that ZL1 moniker...even though, to be "historically correct", it should have housed an all-aluminum 427 naturally aspirated LS7, in some "history professors' " minds...

Re: SHELBY...wasn't there a pickup truck with a crappy convertible top (!?!) by that name? And some FWD econoboxes (I could have used the SHI_-word in front of "boxes"...) with the Shelby name...

Names, and cache', are ALWAYS in the mind of the beholder...and "frame of reference" is NOT "constant"...
I'm not sure that too many people are claiming to be "history professors" or that to be "historically correct" you have to blindly copy the past. If that was the case Z06s would have 327 ci engines and ZL1s would have 4.10s in them too.

No, what remains constant about cars like the Z06 is that it implies a certain track readiness, and of course "track ready" means different things in 1963 and 2003, or 2012, but the underlying concept is essentially the same. For instance, the BMW M3 has run a wide range of engines (I4, I6, V8, and soon a TTV6); they don't historically carbon copy one another, but when you hear "M3" you get an instinctual feel for what that means and represents to BMW and the 3 series. Maybe not to the same degree, but I think "ZL1" "1LE" "ZR1" "Z51" "Z06" "Z28" should at least give you a sense of what is being offered.

Or maybe I just didn't have a problem with Chevy bringing back the ZL1 title, or using the 1LE option code. I also don't think there is anything wrong with appealing to enthusiasts with tradition and/or history, while attracting new people to the brand with competitive/relevant performance. If executed and balanced correctly, I think it is a solid strategy.
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