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Old 03-27-2012, 01:48 PM   #1
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Who is considering canceling their 2012's?

I just want to express how disappointing it is to be waiting for a car for months only to find out it's going to be upgraded for 2013. The fact that there will be a touchscreen on a car that maybe comes out 1-2 months later is frustrating. I don't want to hear those of you that talk about "you'll never get a car if you wait for next years updates." This is not a very intelligent comment for this situation because the 2013 comes out a couple of months after the 2012. Also, there those of you that talk about how the 2012 will give you a "permagrin." Wouldn't the 2013 do the same, but with better options? Companies shouldn't update a car that isn't even in the hands of the customers. This is a fail by GM. To me there are a couple of options, and I'd like to know what you guys would do of you were me.

1. Cancel 2012 and wait for 2013.
2. Cancel order all together, keep SS, and keep around 35k cash.
3. Wait it out and hope GM offers the touch screen as an option for the 2012 ZL1.

Primarily, I'd like to hear what you guys are doing to see if I am the only one who is disappointed.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:00 PM   #2
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If you want one of the first, of what appears to be, a legendary auto, get a 2012. If having the first on your block doesn't matter then exercise another option. I got an early Boss 302, and only that fact keeps me happy while looking at the updated '13 Boss colours and options. I have to side with those who say there's always better. So unless being "first" is important to you, kill your order, but know this a year from now, you'll probably still wish you waited for some feature or upgrade yet to be announced.
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Dude its the automotive world, it happens all the time. I have a 2008 Denali, in 2009 the Denali got a better transmission, bluetooth, cooled seats, and a standard heated steering wheel. No matter what year you get they are going to do something sweet the next year to piss you off. I would not be upset if I had a 2012 ZL1 on order unless the 2013 had a huge HP gain.
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I'm not willing to cancel my order after all this wait time over a 7" screen ... Everything else will be the same, except the MSRP will probably go up.
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I am not dissapointed , you are talking about getting a car first that has the possibility of becoming an investment and a showcar not to mention taking it out to the track or strip. What sounds better (I got a ZL1 the first year it was made), or (I got a ZL1 the second year it was made). Every new model year of a car will receive improvements, unless you can afford to buy a new one every year, you will never be happy. If the touchscreen is the issue, than maybe you should by an IPAD and not the car.
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honestly I don't understand why anybody would put any stock into a radio. I have had 4 factory nav's to date and have all sucked compared to aftmarket IMO. the one is my Z06 was $1800 and won't do half of what my $600 avic unit will.

I am more getting paranoid about not getting a 2012. the only reason i would cancel my order is if I could order a 2013 at invoice as opposed to paying MSRP for a 2012.
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If you want one of the first, of what appears to be, a legendary auto, get a 2012. If having the first on your block doesn't matter then exercise another option. I got an early Boss 302, and only that fact keeps me happy while looking at the updated '13 Boss colours and options. I have to side with those who say there's always better. So unless being "first" is important to you, kill your order, but know this a year from now, you'll probably still wish you waited for some feature or upgrade yet to be announced.
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If it something that is really going to bother you every time you look or get into your car, then I say cancel the 12 and get the 13. For me, my 12 is built and waiting for it's ride to South Florida. If the 7" screen and MyLink turns out to be something that simply cannot live without, then I will consider upgrading the radio/headunit. But for me, I do not want to get back in line again and wait.
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I just want to express how disappointing it is to be waiting for a car for months only to find out it's going to be upgraded for 2013. The fact that there will be a touchscreen on a car that maybe comes out 1-2 months later is frustrating. I don't want to hear those of you that talk about "you'll never get a car if you wait for next years updates." This is not a very intelligent comment for this situation because the 2013 comes out a couple of months after the 2012. Also, there those of you that talk about how the 2012 will give you a "permagrin." Wouldn't the 2013 do the same, but with better options? Companies shouldn't update a car that isn't even in the hands of the customers. This is a fail by GM. To me there are a couple of options, and I'd like to know what you guys would do of you were me.

1. Cancel 2012 and wait for 2013.
2. Cancel order all together, keep SS, and keep around 35k cash.
3. Wait it out and hope GM offers the touch screen as an option for the 2012 ZL1.

Primarily, I'd like to hear what you guys are doing to see if I am the only one who is disappointed.

I know my opinions are so anti-fan boy, but Chevy takes my dollars as happily as those they get from the most devout. Some people here remind me of the Animal House scene "Thank You Sir may I please have another"!!!

Yes I am disappointed, but it was expected to some degree that the 2013 would not just be a 2012 with a different model year only. I REALLY love that new touch screen, and I will pay to upgrade next year or sooner. But this is the price I pay for wanting to be first. I will buy the 2012, and honestly if that is the only difference to 2013 I will be pleased.

One part of the equation possibly missing from this is the 2013 MSRP. I am assuming that could change as well. It may increase so that the difference may be MORE than getting a 2012 and adding the touchscreen, who knows?

What I do know is that Chevy & GM have put me through quite a bit with this vehicle for the honor of giving them 60K. What I would LOVE to see (but I know they are not customer loyal enough to do) is to offer the 2013 upgrades at a reasonable upgrade cost to those that stuck with the 2012.

We will see, but I will take my 2012 nonetheless barring any further major GM faux pas.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:15 PM   #10
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yeah I think the people thinking the touch screen is not going to cost more $$ are dreaming. If it costs money and will most likely be backwards compatible just add itl ater. Adding a deck is 1 hr job.

I would much rather have the car now without touchscreen that wait. the issue that is killing me is what will be the difference between a late year 2012 vs early 2013 in delivery time? cause it is looking Like I will be late in the year.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:18 PM   #12
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I'm not buying a 580HP sub supercar to worry about looking at a screen. It means nothing to me.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:28 PM   #13
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I'm not buying a 580HP sub supercar to worry about looking at a screen. It means nothing to me.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:37 PM   #14
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The point is that GM dragged their feet, kept their mouth shut and negatively surprized everyone but adding features to the 13 when the 12 is not even out yet. It's like spitting in the face of all the people that put money down and waited 5 months. Then they give the same interior and wheels to the 1LE which cost 30% less money! So I pay to have the top of the line/unique car just to find out that 5 months later it looks like a regular car. That's great marketing, unfortunately agains the customers for ZL1.

This will be my first GM car and so far I'm very dissapointed with their approach. I pray to God that it's as good as they say it is when I drive it, otherwise I'll drop it in a hurry. Maybe they'll finally do something to positively surprize us soon. I think it's overdue. Sorry, I'm running out of patience here.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:42 PM   #16
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It's an added cost I'm really not willing to pay. Sure it will look pretty, but come on this is a muscle car not a touring sedan.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:50 PM   #17
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I'm not buying a 580HP sub supercar to worry about looking at a screen. It means nothing to me.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:50 PM   #18
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A nav screen will look like an 8 track player in the years to come, the way electronics advance these days. I'll do without and keep my 2012.
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The point is that GM dragged their feet, kept their mouth shut and negatively surprized everyone but adding features to the 13 when the 12 is not even out yet. It's like spitting in the face of all the people that put money down and waited 5 months. Then they give the same interior and wheels to the 1LE which cost 30% less money! So I pay to have the top of the line/unique car just to find out that 5 months later it looks like a regular car. That's great marketing, unfortunately agains the customers for ZL1.

This will be my first GM car and so far I'm very dissapointed with their approach. I pray to God that it's as good as they say it is when I drive it, otherwise I'll drop it in a hurry. Maybe they'll finally do something to positively surprize us soon. I think it's overdue. Sorry, I'm running out of patience here.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do.

"GM Dragged their Feet" -- would you have us put the cars out early if things weren't as they should be? Let's not forget that the auto industry has been thru the most harrowing time in its history...not to mention bankruptcies not only at GM and Chrysler, but hundreds of suppliers as well...that put the ZL1 project way behind in terms of when we wanted them to hit the market.....

"Kept their mouth shut" -- I must respectfully disagree with you - I don't know of any other manufacturer that has people who spend more time on an enthusiast site and answering questions than the Camaro team and GM. Further - no matter WHAT one says, it won't keep people happy unless you tell them exactly - EXACTLY - what they want to hear....I refuse to tell anyone 'exactly what they want to hear' -- that's the quickest way I know to lose hard-earned credibility.

The interior is not just like the ZL1. True - the black wheels are the same as the ZL1 - but the hoods and front fascia are different.....let me assure you that the ZL1 does NOT look like every other Camaro from the front or side....

I'm not exactly sure what we could have done to keep you happy with the entire process - but I will say this: Everything we do - EVERYTHING we do with Camaro has the customer first and foremost in our minds.

In fact, we're taking the 'Disciples' out very shortly to talk to them about many more things - remember - the "12 Disciples of which there are 15" have been involved with the Camaro since shortly after we unveiled the Concept Camaro..........we intend to continue our dialogue and meetings with them because THEY are your voices --- and we DO care!

I can't make your decision - that's something you'll have to do.

BUT - I'd suggest that you go back and re-read what the media is saying about the car -- and perhaps that will aid in your decision.......
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:52 PM   #20
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I planned on a 2013 from the start, but if I had pre-ordered a 2012:
I'd be a bit annoyed by the delays (like I was with my 2010)
I'd be a bit annoyed by the announcement of the 1LE
I'd be a bit annoyed about options that aren't going to be in the 2012 (like when later builds than my car got backup sensors and a couple other things standard in the same model year even)

I'd be keeping my existing order (like I did with my 2010)
I'd be happy I'm one of the few getting this awesome car first (like I did with my 2010)
I'd be getting the touchcreen installed later in the year Problem Sovled

I love listening to the exhaust as much as the next person, but what can I say, I like gadgets. And I think that a $60K sports car should have plenty of them.
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I already planned on going with ALPINE's AFTERMARKET unit anyway and it looks to be WAY BETTER than any FACTORY system... so I don't care if GM offers a 7" touchscreen and MYLINK. Most aftermarket systems let you do more anyway like WATCH DVD's and use the navigation while moving and ALPINE'S unit appears to be fully integrated into the CAMARO as if it were OEM anyway:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_700CMO9...ssi=4&skipvs=T

Highlights:
  • package includes the Alpine INA-W910 navigation receiver, with Perfect Fit dash adapter and steering wheel controls interface package for 2010-up Camaro<LI class=list-heading>General features:
  • DVD/navigation receiver with 7" touchscreen and AM/FM tuner
  • Perfect Fit dash adapter package works with any 2010-up Camaro
  • internal amp (18 watts RMS CEA-2006/50 peak x 4 channels)
  • steering wheel controls interface included
  • built-in Bluetooth® for hands-free calling
  • built-in HD Radio™
  • free lifetime traffic subscription
  • works with free PANDORA® iPhone app
  • fits double-DIN (4" tall) dash openings<LI class=list-heading>Audio/video features:
  • plays DVD Video, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD, and CD-R/RW
  • plays MP3, WMA, and AAC files on CD and DVD
  • 24-bit Burr-Brown digital-to-analog converter
  • compatible with Alpine's PXA-H800 IMPRINT audio processor<LI class=list-heading>Expandability:
  • built-in iPod control via USB input
  • compatible with SXV100 XM satellite radio tuner
  • inputs: USB input, A/V input, rear camera input
  • outputs: A/V output, 6-channel preamp outputs (4-volt front, rear, subwoofer)
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:57 PM   #22
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I'm sorry you feel the way you do.

"GM Dragged their Feet" -- would you have us put the cars out early if things weren't as they should be? Let's not forget that the auto industry has been thru the most harrowing time in its history...not to mention bankruptcies not only at GM and Chrysler, but hundreds of suppliers as well...that put the ZL1 project way behind in terms of when we wanted them to hit the market.....

"Kept their mouth shut" -- I must respectfully disagree with you - I don't know of any other manufacturer that has people who spend more time on an enthusiast site and answering questions than the Camaro team and GM. Further - no matter WHAT one says, it won't keep people happy unless you tell them exactly - EXACTLY - what they want to hear....

The interior is not just like the ZL1. True - the black wheels are the same as the ZL1 - but the hoods and front fascia are different.....let me assure you that the ZL1 does NOT look like every other Camaro from the front or side....

I'm not exactly sure what we could have done to keep you happy with the entire process - but I will say this: Everything we do - EVERYTHING we do with Camaro has the customer first and foremost in our minds.

In fact, we're taking the 'Disciples' out very shortly to talk to them about many more things - remember - the "12 Disciples of which there are 15" have been involved with the Camaro since shortly after we unveiled the Concept Camaro..........we intend to continue our dialogue and meetings with them because THEY are your voices --- and we DO care!

I can't make your decision - that's something you'll have to do.

BUT - I'd suggest that you go back and re-read what the media is saying about the car -- and perhaps that will aid in your decision.......
I truly love to read the passion you have for these great cars that keep getting better. I too am starting to get impatient ,but I know it will be worth the wait. My biggest worry is what is wrong with these cars that is keeping them off the streets for so long, not whether or not the 2013 has Nav and mine doesn't.
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I'm sorry you feel the way you do.

"GM Dragged their Feet" -- would you have us put the cars out early if things weren't as they should be? Let's not forget that the auto industry has been thru the most harrowing time in its history...not to mention bankruptcies not only at GM and Chrysler, but hundreds of suppliers as well...that put the ZL1 project way behind in terms of when we wanted them to hit the market.....

"Kept their mouth shut" -- I must respectfully disagree with you - I don't know of any other manufacturer that has people who spend more time on an enthusiast site and answering questions than the Camaro team and GM. Further - no matter WHAT one says, it won't keep people happy unless you tell them exactly - EXACTLY - what they want to hear....I refuse to tell anyone 'exactly what they want to hear' -- that's the quickest way I know to lose hard-earned credibility.

The interior is not just like the ZL1. True - the black wheels are the same as the ZL1 - but the hoods and front fascia are different.....let me assure you that the ZL1 does NOT look like every other Camaro from the front or side....

I'm not exactly sure what we could have done to keep you happy with the entire process - but I will say this: Everything we do - EVERYTHING we do with Camaro has the customer first and foremost in our minds.

In fact, we're taking the 'Disciples' out very shortly to talk to them about many more things - remember - the "12 Disciples of which there are 15" have been involved with the Camaro since shortly after we unveiled the Concept Camaro..........we intend to continue our dialogue and meetings with them because THEY are your voices --- and we DO care!

I can't make your decision - that's something you'll have to do.

BUT - I'd suggest that you go back and re-read what the media is saying about the car -- and perhaps that will aid in your decision.......
You say: "....I refuse to tell anyone 'exactly what they want to hear' -- that's the quickest way I know to lose hard-earned credibility."

Really? Our politicians do it all time and they are credible.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:58 PM   #24
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Personally, I don't like the touch screen. I rather have the technology where it counts, performance. If I want tech toys I will go to Best Buy.
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I just want to express how disappointing it is to be waiting for a car for months only to find out it's going to be upgraded for 2013. The fact that there will be a touchscreen on a car that maybe comes out 1-2 months later is frustrating. I don't want to hear those of you that talk about "you'll never get a car if you wait for next years updates." This is not a very intelligent comment for this situation because the 2013 comes out a couple of months after the 2012. Also, there those of you that talk about how the 2012 will give you a "permagrin." Wouldn't the 2013 do the same, but with better options? Companies shouldn't update a car that isn't even in the hands of the customers. This is a fail by GM. To me there are a couple of options, and I'd like to know what you guys would do of you were me.

1. Cancel 2012 and wait for 2013.
2. Cancel order all together, keep SS, and keep around 35k cash.
3. Wait it out and hope GM offers the touch screen as an option for the 2012 ZL1.

Primarily, I'd like to hear what you guys are doing to see if I am the only one who is disappointed.
Option 4 - Get the 2012 ZL1 that you have ordered and get an aftermarket touchscreen unit that will do 10 times as much as the factory one will likely do and you'll pay about half. Just another way to think about it.
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