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Old 03-27-2012, 03:50 PM   #18
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A nav screen will look like an 8 track player in the years to come, the way electronics advance these days. I'll do without and keep my 2012.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:51 PM   #19
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The point is that GM dragged their feet, kept their mouth shut and negatively surprized everyone but adding features to the 13 when the 12 is not even out yet. It's like spitting in the face of all the people that put money down and waited 5 months. Then they give the same interior and wheels to the 1LE which cost 30% less money! So I pay to have the top of the line/unique car just to find out that 5 months later it looks like a regular car. That's great marketing, unfortunately agains the customers for ZL1.

This will be my first GM car and so far I'm very dissapointed with their approach. I pray to God that it's as good as they say it is when I drive it, otherwise I'll drop it in a hurry. Maybe they'll finally do something to positively surprize us soon. I think it's overdue. Sorry, I'm running out of patience here.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do.

"GM Dragged their Feet" -- would you have us put the cars out early if things weren't as they should be? Let's not forget that the auto industry has been thru the most harrowing time in its history...not to mention bankruptcies not only at GM and Chrysler, but hundreds of suppliers as well...that put the ZL1 project way behind in terms of when we wanted them to hit the market.....

"Kept their mouth shut" -- I must respectfully disagree with you - I don't know of any other manufacturer that has people who spend more time on an enthusiast site and answering questions than the Camaro team and GM. Further - no matter WHAT one says, it won't keep people happy unless you tell them exactly - EXACTLY - what they want to hear....I refuse to tell anyone 'exactly what they want to hear' -- that's the quickest way I know to lose hard-earned credibility.

The interior is not just like the ZL1. True - the black wheels are the same as the ZL1 - but the hoods and front fascia are different.....let me assure you that the ZL1 does NOT look like every other Camaro from the front or side....

I'm not exactly sure what we could have done to keep you happy with the entire process - but I will say this: Everything we do - EVERYTHING we do with Camaro has the customer first and foremost in our minds.

In fact, we're taking the 'Disciples' out very shortly to talk to them about many more things - remember - the "12 Disciples of which there are 15" have been involved with the Camaro since shortly after we unveiled the Concept Camaro..........we intend to continue our dialogue and meetings with them because THEY are your voices --- and we DO care!

I can't make your decision - that's something you'll have to do.

BUT - I'd suggest that you go back and re-read what the media is saying about the car -- and perhaps that will aid in your decision.......
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:52 PM   #20
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I planned on a 2013 from the start, but if I had pre-ordered a 2012:
I'd be a bit annoyed by the delays (like I was with my 2010)
I'd be a bit annoyed by the announcement of the 1LE
I'd be a bit annoyed about options that aren't going to be in the 2012 (like when later builds than my car got backup sensors and a couple other things standard in the same model year even)

I'd be keeping my existing order (like I did with my 2010)
I'd be happy I'm one of the few getting this awesome car first (like I did with my 2010)
I'd be getting the touchcreen installed later in the year Problem Sovled

I love listening to the exhaust as much as the next person, but what can I say, I like gadgets. And I think that a $60K sports car should have plenty of them.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:52 PM   #21
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I already planned on going with ALPINE's AFTERMARKET unit anyway and it looks to be WAY BETTER than any FACTORY system... so I don't care if GM offers a 7" touchscreen and MYLINK. Most aftermarket systems let you do more anyway like WATCH DVD's and use the navigation while moving and ALPINE'S unit appears to be fully integrated into the CAMARO as if it were OEM anyway:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_700CMO9...ssi=4&skipvs=T

Highlights:
  • package includes the Alpine INA-W910 navigation receiver, with Perfect Fit dash adapter and steering wheel controls interface package for 2010-up Camaro<LI class=list-heading>General features:
  • DVD/navigation receiver with 7" touchscreen and AM/FM tuner
  • Perfect Fit dash adapter package works with any 2010-up Camaro
  • internal amp (18 watts RMS CEA-2006/50 peak x 4 channels)
  • steering wheel controls interface included
  • built-in Bluetooth® for hands-free calling
  • built-in HD Radio™
  • free lifetime traffic subscription
  • works with free PANDORA® iPhone app
  • fits double-DIN (4" tall) dash openings<LI class=list-heading>Audio/video features:
  • plays DVD Video, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD, and CD-R/RW
  • plays MP3, WMA, and AAC files on CD and DVD
  • 24-bit Burr-Brown digital-to-analog converter
  • compatible with Alpine's PXA-H800 IMPRINT audio processor<LI class=list-heading>Expandability:
  • built-in iPod control via USB input
  • compatible with SXV100 XM satellite radio tuner
  • inputs: USB input, A/V input, rear camera input
  • outputs: A/V output, 6-channel preamp outputs (4-volt front, rear, subwoofer)
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:57 PM   #22
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I'm sorry you feel the way you do.

"GM Dragged their Feet" -- would you have us put the cars out early if things weren't as they should be? Let's not forget that the auto industry has been thru the most harrowing time in its history...not to mention bankruptcies not only at GM and Chrysler, but hundreds of suppliers as well...that put the ZL1 project way behind in terms of when we wanted them to hit the market.....

"Kept their mouth shut" -- I must respectfully disagree with you - I don't know of any other manufacturer that has people who spend more time on an enthusiast site and answering questions than the Camaro team and GM. Further - no matter WHAT one says, it won't keep people happy unless you tell them exactly - EXACTLY - what they want to hear....

The interior is not just like the ZL1. True - the black wheels are the same as the ZL1 - but the hoods and front fascia are different.....let me assure you that the ZL1 does NOT look like every other Camaro from the front or side....

I'm not exactly sure what we could have done to keep you happy with the entire process - but I will say this: Everything we do - EVERYTHING we do with Camaro has the customer first and foremost in our minds.

In fact, we're taking the 'Disciples' out very shortly to talk to them about many more things - remember - the "12 Disciples of which there are 15" have been involved with the Camaro since shortly after we unveiled the Concept Camaro..........we intend to continue our dialogue and meetings with them because THEY are your voices --- and we DO care!

I can't make your decision - that's something you'll have to do.

BUT - I'd suggest that you go back and re-read what the media is saying about the car -- and perhaps that will aid in your decision.......
I truly love to read the passion you have for these great cars that keep getting better. I too am starting to get impatient ,but I know it will be worth the wait. My biggest worry is what is wrong with these cars that is keeping them off the streets for so long, not whether or not the 2013 has Nav and mine doesn't.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:58 PM   #23
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I'm sorry you feel the way you do.

"GM Dragged their Feet" -- would you have us put the cars out early if things weren't as they should be? Let's not forget that the auto industry has been thru the most harrowing time in its history...not to mention bankruptcies not only at GM and Chrysler, but hundreds of suppliers as well...that put the ZL1 project way behind in terms of when we wanted them to hit the market.....

"Kept their mouth shut" -- I must respectfully disagree with you - I don't know of any other manufacturer that has people who spend more time on an enthusiast site and answering questions than the Camaro team and GM. Further - no matter WHAT one says, it won't keep people happy unless you tell them exactly - EXACTLY - what they want to hear....I refuse to tell anyone 'exactly what they want to hear' -- that's the quickest way I know to lose hard-earned credibility.

The interior is not just like the ZL1. True - the black wheels are the same as the ZL1 - but the hoods and front fascia are different.....let me assure you that the ZL1 does NOT look like every other Camaro from the front or side....

I'm not exactly sure what we could have done to keep you happy with the entire process - but I will say this: Everything we do - EVERYTHING we do with Camaro has the customer first and foremost in our minds.

In fact, we're taking the 'Disciples' out very shortly to talk to them about many more things - remember - the "12 Disciples of which there are 15" have been involved with the Camaro since shortly after we unveiled the Concept Camaro..........we intend to continue our dialogue and meetings with them because THEY are your voices --- and we DO care!

I can't make your decision - that's something you'll have to do.

BUT - I'd suggest that you go back and re-read what the media is saying about the car -- and perhaps that will aid in your decision.......
You say: "....I refuse to tell anyone 'exactly what they want to hear' -- that's the quickest way I know to lose hard-earned credibility."

Really? Our politicians do it all time and they are credible.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:58 PM   #24
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Personally, I don't like the touch screen. I rather have the technology where it counts, performance. If I want tech toys I will go to Best Buy.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:59 PM   #25
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I just want to express how disappointing it is to be waiting for a car for months only to find out it's going to be upgraded for 2013. The fact that there will be a touchscreen on a car that maybe comes out 1-2 months later is frustrating. I don't want to hear those of you that talk about "you'll never get a car if you wait for next years updates." This is not a very intelligent comment for this situation because the 2013 comes out a couple of months after the 2012. Also, there those of you that talk about how the 2012 will give you a "permagrin." Wouldn't the 2013 do the same, but with better options? Companies shouldn't update a car that isn't even in the hands of the customers. This is a fail by GM. To me there are a couple of options, and I'd like to know what you guys would do of you were me.

1. Cancel 2012 and wait for 2013.
2. Cancel order all together, keep SS, and keep around 35k cash.
3. Wait it out and hope GM offers the touch screen as an option for the 2012 ZL1.

Primarily, I'd like to hear what you guys are doing to see if I am the only one who is disappointed.
Option 4 - Get the 2012 ZL1 that you have ordered and get an aftermarket touchscreen unit that will do 10 times as much as the factory one will likely do and you'll pay about half. Just another way to think about it.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:01 PM   #26
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WOW!!!! This is really an issue?? most people can't afford to move up the chain and your worried about a radio in 2013??

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Old 03-27-2012, 04:02 PM   #27
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I already planned on going with ALPINE's AFTERMARKET unit anyway and it looks to be WAY BETTER than any FACTORY system... so I don't care if GM offers a 7" touchscreen and MYLINK. Most aftermarket systems let you do more anyway like WATCH DVD's and use the navigation while moving and ALPINE'S unit appears to be fully integrated into the CAMARO as if it were OEM anyway:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_700CMO9...ssi=4&skipvs=T

Highlights:
  • package includes the Alpine INA-W910 navigation receiver, with Perfect Fit dash adapter and steering wheel controls interface package for 2010-up Camaro<LI class=list-heading>General features:
  • DVD/navigation receiver with 7" touchscreen and AM/FM tuner
  • Perfect Fit dash adapter package works with any 2010-up Camaro
  • internal amp (18 watts RMS CEA-2006/50 peak x 4 channels)
  • steering wheel controls interface included
  • built-in Bluetooth® for hands-free calling
  • built-in HD Radio™
  • free lifetime traffic subscription
  • works with free PANDORA® iPhone app
  • fits double-DIN (4" tall) dash openings<LI class=list-heading>Audio/video features:
  • plays DVD Video, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD, and CD-R/RW
  • plays MP3, WMA, and AAC files on CD and DVD
  • 24-bit Burr-Brown digital-to-analog converter
  • compatible with Alpine's PXA-H800 IMPRINT audio processor<LI class=list-heading>Expandability:
  • built-in iPod control via USB input
  • compatible with SXV100 XM satellite radio tuner
  • inputs: USB input, A/V input, rear camera input
  • outputs: A/V output, 6-channel preamp outputs (4-volt front, rear, subwoofer)
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:08 PM   #28
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Most aftermarket head units do NOT let you watch a DVD while driving! You have to override their protection against you doing that. In the case of older ones, simply running the wire that goes to the emergency brake to ground is enough. In newer ones, you need to do more.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:09 PM   #29
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I'm planning on getting a 2012 ZL1 the only thing that would hold me back at this point is they reduce how many there going to make. I'm in a holding pattern and waiting for my dealer to have another round of allocations come his way. If they cut the 2012's short and I'm hoping if I'm forced into buying a 2013 that I'll still have time to attend the camaro fest event in August with my new car. Thank goodness I'm working almost everyday otherwise I might be a Drake clone on these threads.
Oh and Drake I hope your doing OK and i give you alot of .
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Most aftermarket head units do NOT let you watch a DVD while driving! You have to override their protection against you doing that. In the case of older ones, simply running the wire that goes to the emergency brake to ground is enough. In newer ones, you need to do more.
Because that's just what we need; drivers to be distracted by a DVD... as if texting isn't bad enough!

DVD's belong in the overhead console/headrests. Not in the front. JMO.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:15 PM   #31
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Because that's just what we need; drivers to be distracted by a DVD... as if texting isn't bad enough!

DVD's belong in the overhead console/headrests. Not in the front. JMO.
I wasn't advocating for it, I was only responding to the poster who said that you could have a DVD going while driving.

I agree with you, you should pay attention to driving when you are driving!
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:21 PM   #32
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I wouldnt buy the first year of any new car. Always bugs etc to work out hence the reason we still dont have a 2012 car.

Since I am in the military i get to visit other countries. For those of you that havent been to korea. They watch tv and drive they have more screens going on inside the car then i think is needed and they drive a helluva lot better then americans hell stop lights and stop signs are more of advice not a solid rule.

So a simple 7 inch screen whatever. Usually the factory stuff sux anyhow or they end the contract with the nav company then you have a useless nav system anyhow.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:21 PM   #33
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Seriously, people are upset over a radio. With all the great advances they have made on this car and the fact that they are moving the muscle car wars forward, a radio is the problem? The last thing I care about is the radio. As long as it plays music occasionally when I am standing still, that is all I need. Really a radio?
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:24 PM   #34
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Seriously, people are upset over a radio. With all the great advances they have made on this car and the fact that they are moving the muscle car wars forward, a radio is the problem? The last thing I care about is the radio. As long as it plays music occasionally when I am standing still, that is all I need. Really a radio?
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