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Old 03-27-2012, 03:01 PM   #26
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WOW!!!! This is really an issue?? most people can't afford to move up the chain and your worried about a radio in 2013??

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Old 03-27-2012, 03:02 PM   #27
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I already planned on going with ALPINE's AFTERMARKET unit anyway and it looks to be WAY BETTER than any FACTORY system... so I don't care if GM offers a 7" touchscreen and MYLINK. Most aftermarket systems let you do more anyway like WATCH DVD's and use the navigation while moving and ALPINE'S unit appears to be fully integrated into the CAMARO as if it were OEM anyway:

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  • package includes the Alpine INA-W910 navigation receiver, with Perfect Fit dash adapter and steering wheel controls interface package for 2010-up Camaro<LI class=list-heading>General features:
  • DVD/navigation receiver with 7" touchscreen and AM/FM tuner
  • Perfect Fit dash adapter package works with any 2010-up Camaro
  • internal amp (18 watts RMS CEA-2006/50 peak x 4 channels)
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  • built-in Bluetooth® for hands-free calling
  • built-in HD Radio™
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  • works with free PANDORA® iPhone app
  • fits double-DIN (4" tall) dash openings<LI class=list-heading>Audio/video features:
  • plays DVD Video, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD, and CD-R/RW
  • plays MP3, WMA, and AAC files on CD and DVD
  • 24-bit Burr-Brown digital-to-analog converter
  • compatible with Alpine's PXA-H800 IMPRINT audio processor<LI class=list-heading>Expandability:
  • built-in iPod control via USB input
  • compatible with SXV100 XM satellite radio tuner
  • inputs: USB input, A/V input, rear camera input
  • outputs: A/V output, 6-channel preamp outputs (4-volt front, rear, subwoofer)
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:08 PM   #28
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Most aftermarket head units do NOT let you watch a DVD while driving! You have to override their protection against you doing that. In the case of older ones, simply running the wire that goes to the emergency brake to ground is enough. In newer ones, you need to do more.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:09 PM   #29
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I'm planning on getting a 2012 ZL1 the only thing that would hold me back at this point is they reduce how many there going to make. I'm in a holding pattern and waiting for my dealer to have another round of allocations come his way. If they cut the 2012's short and I'm hoping if I'm forced into buying a 2013 that I'll still have time to attend the camaro fest event in August with my new car. Thank goodness I'm working almost everyday otherwise I might be a Drake clone on these threads.
Oh and Drake I hope your doing OK and i give you alot of .
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:09 PM   #30
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Most aftermarket head units do NOT let you watch a DVD while driving! You have to override their protection against you doing that. In the case of older ones, simply running the wire that goes to the emergency brake to ground is enough. In newer ones, you need to do more.
Because that's just what we need; drivers to be distracted by a DVD... as if texting isn't bad enough!

DVD's belong in the overhead console/headrests. Not in the front. JMO.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:15 PM   #31
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Because that's just what we need; drivers to be distracted by a DVD... as if texting isn't bad enough!

DVD's belong in the overhead console/headrests. Not in the front. JMO.
I wasn't advocating for it, I was only responding to the poster who said that you could have a DVD going while driving.

I agree with you, you should pay attention to driving when you are driving!
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:21 PM   #32
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I wouldnt buy the first year of any new car. Always bugs etc to work out hence the reason we still dont have a 2012 car.

Since I am in the military i get to visit other countries. For those of you that havent been to korea. They watch tv and drive they have more screens going on inside the car then i think is needed and they drive a helluva lot better then americans hell stop lights and stop signs are more of advice not a solid rule.

So a simple 7 inch screen whatever. Usually the factory stuff sux anyhow or they end the contract with the nav company then you have a useless nav system anyhow.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:21 PM   #33
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Seriously, people are upset over a radio. With all the great advances they have made on this car and the fact that they are moving the muscle car wars forward, a radio is the problem? The last thing I care about is the radio. As long as it plays music occasionally when I am standing still, that is all I need. Really a radio?
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:24 PM   #34
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Seriously, people are upset over a radio. With all the great advances they have made on this car and the fact that they are moving the muscle car wars forward, a radio is the problem? The last thing I care about is the radio. As long as it plays music occasionally when I am standing still, that is all I need. Really a radio?
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:25 PM   #35
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I just want to take mine to the track cant hear the radio with the helmet on anyways.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:27 PM   #36
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I don't want to hear those of you that talk about "you'll never get a car if you wait for next years updates." This is not a very intelligent comment for this situation because the 2013 comes out a couple of months after the 2012.
Hate to say it, but that's going to happen. If it doesn't improve from year to year then GM is doing something wrong. I guess I'm not very intelligent.

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If it something that is really going to bother you every time you look or get into your car, then I say cancel the 12 and get the 13. For me, my 12 is built and waiting for it's ride to South Florida. If the 7" screen and MyLink turns out to be something that simply cannot live without, then I will consider upgrading the radio/headunit. But for me, I do not want to get back in line again and wait.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:30 PM   #37
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Hate to say it, but that's going to happen. If it doesn't improve from year to year then GM is doing something wrong. I guess I'm not very intelligent.




Not considering cancelling. Too many people want these cars. FWIW.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:30 PM   #38
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I just want to take mine to the track cant hear the radio with the helmet on anyways.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:32 PM   #39
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I wasn't advocating for it, I was only responding to the poster who said that you could have a DVD going while driving.

I agree with you, you should pay attention to driving when you are driving!
No my post was more to the fact that MOST AFTERMARKET units let your OPERATE THE NAVIGATION FUNCTIONS while driving. I have FACTORY NAV in my LEXUS IS350 and I hate that when I'm moving more than 1mph the screen locks up and I can't use it...aftermarket units don't do this. I would NEVER watch a damn movie while driving!
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:33 PM   #40
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These things still havn't shipped yet???...sorry have been off the site for a few. Where is the link to the 1LE announcement?
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:43 PM   #41
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I'm getting the 2013. I might not be 1st. But I will be rare. We're not going to see a bunch of Zl1's on the street. Even here in SoCal.
Guys talking about the 2012 being a collectors car cracks me up. Yeah maybe in 30 years.
As far as the touch screen...I agree with a lot of other posters. Just get an aftermarket unit, if it's something you really have to have.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:48 PM   #42
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My nav system is my beautiful wife and a map. No buttons and it's voice activated. She may have a touch screen, but that's none of your business!
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:54 PM   #43
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My nav system is my beautiful wife and a map. No buttons and it's voice activated. She may have a touch screen, but that's none of your business!
And people think Microsoft products have, lets call them idiosyncracies. :-)
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:55 PM   #44
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What's cool about the ALPINE system is even the AC controls are touch screen; the FACTORY unit looks like it retains the stock AC controls and just uses the screen. So the "CLEAN" look of aftermarket is really what I'd prefer anyway. I wouldn't use MYLINK anyway, Most people use an iPod/iPhone with all their playlists anyway and both units have PANDORA so I don't see the benefit in wanting to stream music from your phone with MYLINK . You can even download your phonebook and make calls without touching your phone from the ALPINE unit...a few people on this forum have installed it and gave it good reviews

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Old 03-27-2012, 04:17 PM   #45
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I'm sorry you feel the way you do.

"GM Dragged their Feet" -- would you have us put the cars out early if things weren't as they should be? Let's not forget that the auto industry has been thru the most harrowing time in its history...not to mention bankruptcies not only at GM and Chrysler, but hundreds of suppliers as well...that put the ZL1 project way behind in terms of when we wanted them to hit the market.....

"Kept their mouth shut" -- I must respectfully disagree with you - I don't know of any other manufacturer that has people who spend more time on an enthusiast site and answering questions than the Camaro team and GM. Further - no matter WHAT one says, it won't keep people happy unless you tell them exactly - EXACTLY - what they want to hear....I refuse to tell anyone 'exactly what they want to hear' -- that's the quickest way I know to lose hard-earned credibility.

The interior is not just like the ZL1. True - the black wheels are the same as the ZL1 - but the hoods and front fascia are different.....let me assure you that the ZL1 does NOT look like every other Camaro from the front or side....

I'm not exactly sure what we could have done to keep you happy with the entire process - but I will say this: Everything we do - EVERYTHING we do with Camaro has the customer first and foremost in our minds.

In fact, we're taking the 'Disciples' out very shortly to talk to them about many more things - remember - the "12 Disciples of which there are 15" have been involved with the Camaro since shortly after we unveiled the Concept Camaro..........we intend to continue our dialogue and meetings with them because THEY are your voices --- and we DO care!

I can't make your decision - that's something you'll have to do.

BUT - I'd suggest that you go back and re-read what the media is saying about the car -- and perhaps that will aid in your decision.......

Thank you Scott. You definitely care and I truly appreciate it. Your response makes me feel better.

I'm just frustrated with the process. I've been waiting a long time for this car, I've done all the reasearch, drove most of the competitor cars etc . I've ordered my ZL1 in october and it was built on Feb 14th. 1.5 months later nobody knows or says anything specific, just that there's problems and we'll ship it when ready. I don't consider that meaningful communication.

I still have faith in the car but my excitement is fading away. I'll be out of country for most of April which means I'll probably see the car in May - 3 months after it was built. That's the frustrating part. Seeing that the 13 will come out within 2 months with improvements and that cheaper cars get some of the options doesn't make it better either.

Anyways, I hope it will be as exciting to drive as everyone says it is - after all it's a "wish" not a "need", probably for everyone that buys it.
Thanks for your response.

PS. who are the Disciples?
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a group of camaro enthusiast selected by GM to represent what we ( camaro enthusiasts) would like the camaro to be. Here is an old thread about how they were selected. Best I could find with my phone.
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Most aftermarket head units do NOT let you watch a DVD while driving! You have to override their protection against you doing that. In the case of older ones, simply running the wire that goes to the emergency brake to ground is enough. In newer ones, you need to do more.
Current pioneer units are move one pin in the harness and ground it with the ebrake wire. real simple.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:38 PM   #49
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I am not canceling my order, but I am not happy right now. What can you do though, I have to renew my loan on April 10th, starting to get that feeling in my stomach. You know the one, do I need this right now, should I wait and shop around, or put that payment into the house and just get a chevycruze off the lot,,,lol.
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The point is that GM dragged their feet, kept their mouth shut and negatively surprized everyone but adding features to the 13 when the 12 is not even out yet. It's like spitting in the face of all the people that put money down and waited 5 months. Then they give the same interior and wheels to the 1LE which cost 30% less money! So I pay to have the top of the line/unique car just to find out that 5 months later it looks like a regular car. That's great marketing, unfortunately agains the customers for ZL1.

This will be my first GM car and so far I'm very dissapointed with their approach. I pray to God that it's as good as they say it is when I drive it, otherwise I'll drop it in a hurry. Maybe they'll finally do something to positively surprize us soon. I think it's overdue. Sorry, I'm running out of patience here.

I am still upset about the delay because I am a whinner but this is harsh.

new model years are going to get new features this is a given.

The 1LE gets the standard wheels from the ZL-1 this is not a huge deal. the 1LE should be looked at as a positive. I will be a better handling and a bit quicer SS due to gearing for what sounds like a decent price.

I think poeple are frustrated and lashing out. I mean the 1 LE is not going out perform a ZL-1 and it does not really look any more like a ZL-1 than a SS IMO. not like any of that should matter but it seems to have people talking. it is alot less money but it is alot less car in some ways. To me this is the car people have been asking for - the LS7.

I would rather have A ZL-1 I than a 1Le still. I would buy a 1 LE over SS. all seems as it should be. to me the only thing I would have like them do with the 1Le is up the power a hair. a 1LE with an LS7 and I would be conflicted right now.
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