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Old 11-28-2007, 03:16 PM   #1
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Confirmation on Some Speculation

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You need to go through the full story before you get my reveal . . .

I just had an individual from GM who is involved with advanced propulsion systems at General Motors as a guest lecturer. He talked about the new hybrid trucks as well as the volt, among other things. It was said that the two mode hybrid silverado uses the 6.0L engine because of the power band. At the end I went up to him and innocently asked if it were possible to have a hybrid system like in the upcomming trucks in a performance vehicle like the Corvette or Camaro. He said that it is very possible because that is the engine they are considering for the Camaro.

I will give pause to let that sink in.

This is similar to what has been mentioned here, but we know for sure absolutly that a 6.0L is being considered, an engine which has active fuel management and a hybrid capability.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:33 PM   #2
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okay...going into web-souring mode to uncover this 6.0L.........................



:eek: Noo

Okay...(after a fight)here's what I could dig up:

the Tahoe an Yukon both use two-mode...like the Silverado will. And the only current non-hybrid 6.0L V8 in the truck lineup is the L76. (Only two trucks, the Saab 9-7x Aero, and the Trailblazer SS use the LS2, so it doesn't count)
This leads me to belive that the hybrid engine is also based off of the L76.

We know the L76 has been refitted for car-applications in the G8. Sooooooo...the L76 is said to being considered as a possible Camaro engine. I can believe that.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:16 PM   #3
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Ok...someone spell this out please. Hybrid Camaro. Gas and _______. E85? What exactly could this be?
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what are you asking, TAG? If the Camaro will run E85? or if it's going to be a hybrid?.....or both
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Ok...someone spell this out please. Hybrid Camaro. Gas and electric. E85? What exactly could this be?
And it will probably support E85 as well
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:32 PM   #6
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"Hybrid Camaro"... Wow, it's really hard not to be completely horrified by seeing those two words next to each other. They each have such different stigmas.

When I think "Hybrid", the prius is the first thing to pop into my mind, and I don't want anything associated with the prius to be associated with the Camaro.

I just have to keep reminding myself that Hybrids have gotten much better, and if GM is even considering making the Camaro a hybrid, they've got to know that they can do it right.

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The two mode hybrid system was developed by GM, Daimler-Chrysler, and Mercadez-Benz. Basically it has a pair of electric motors integrated with an automatic transmission. So they can drive the entire system by themselves if need be, or assist durring high torque applications. This coupled with variable valve timing, active fuel management makes for fuel economy typically seen in 4 cylinder camry. http://www.chevrolet.com/hybrid/

Oh and the engine makes 367 horsepower @ 5500 rpm and 375 lb.-ft. of torque @ 4300 rpm
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:45 PM   #8
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now...I just had to have somene else say it. We were just talking about a hybrid Camaro last week...exhaust note, etc...??? And reading this just about freaked me out. Like, "it's actually possible???"
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Who's been pulling for the L76 all this time? Yes, me. I'm taking this moment in.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:41 PM   #10
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Ever since the first Silverado hybrid, but now the new Silverado hybrid; I parallel hybrid w/ trucks, and power w/ fuel economy, and GM. As such I really wouldn't say no to a Hybrid Camaro...honestly, I wouldn't. This two-mode thing...doesn't seem to add a terrible amount of wieght...a little more 'fat' I guess, but good 'fat'.
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I all for saving the environment, reducing our dependency on the Middle East, etc, but I do NOT want a hybrid Camaro. They can do what they want with the v6 cars but not the v8(s).

The only electric motors I want in my Camaro will roll the windows up and down.
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I all for saving the environment, reducing our dependency on the Middle East, etc, but I do NOT want a hybrid Camaro. They can do what they want with the v6 cars but not the v8(s).

The only electric motors I want in my Camaro will roll the windows up and down.
So you want to hand crank the engine to start it . . . ?

Seriously though, you're entitled to your opinion. It certainly wont be the top camaro, and I think it needs to have a automatic which are two downsides to it. But it should get north of 30 mpg with a total of over 450 hp (gas+electric). I can see it being popular IF it does become a reality.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:07 PM   #13
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I like the idea. This would definitely blow peoples minds.
I remember reading that most of the system is located in the transmission so maybe there wont be that much 'fat'.
I just kinda dont like the idea of the car being too complicated. I would like my car to be 2 door, front engine V8, rear wheel drive, and damn good looking. Its an easy way to make an awesome car. This may upset some people. But if GM offers a non hybrid version of the same engine or the top dog camaro is a non hybrid, then this is an AWESOME IDEA.
GM is really thinking outside the box, and I LIKE IT.
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I just want to clarify what I understand to be the situation here...
An informant said a Hybrid Camaro is doable. We don't even know if GM is remotely thinking about it at all at this point.

The point of the thread...I think, was to illuminate that the L76 is in fact being considered as an engine.

I just don't want people to get their panties in a bunch(good or bad) because there's going to be a Hybrid Camaro...there's probably not.
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I was about to clear some of that stuff up. Here are the facts and some important words

The man I talked to is involved in research and development of advanced propulsion technologies. As a result he knows a great deal about what hybrids are comming, he mentioned the Tahoe and Silverado specifically in the lecture

I asked him after he was done that since trucks with large engines can utilize hybrid technology, would it be possible for a performance car such as a Camaro or Corvette which has a similarly sized engine to have a similar technology.

He said yes it is possible. in fact that same engine is being considered for the Camaro. In his responce there was no mention of a Camaro hybrid, that was my idea that I presented to him, not to say that he hasn't heard it before. But the hybrid system is esentially contained in the transmission and so the two do not need to go together. However, the engine does have active fuel management and variable valve timing and is well suited to a two mode hybrid drive system
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However, the engine doeshave active fuel management and active fuel management
.....er, typo?


The only thing I've been able to determine that sets apart the actual hybrid engine, is a special "alternator" (that flows electricity 2 ways; from the battery and to the battery), and a stronger belt with many, many more ribs that is able to handle the torque necessary to actually start the engine mulitiple times(as opposed to a starter motor), and maintain proper grip on the pulleys. Other than that, and some special tuning...I pretty sure it's just a normal engine.

Then comes in the tranny-motor thing that everybody'd bringing up.
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what typo. . .
(ps, what is a "straonger belt"?)

Also, perhaps my title for the thread is a bit misleading, and suggestions for what it could/should be changed to? that was the best that I could think of at the time, but I was distracted by the thought of a hybrid camaro.

As for the actual mechanics, the way that the guy explained it was that the engine can be shut down and the entire system can be run solely by an electic motor, or rather a pair of electric motors, located in the tranny. And from wiki, which states things a bit more technically
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A special automatic transmission incorporates two 100 kW (133 hp) three phase induction motors, two planetary gearsets, and two selectively-engaging friction clutches. This system amplifies the output of the electric motors similarly to the way in which a conventional transmission amplifies the torque of an internal combustion engine. It also transfers more of the engine's torque to the wheels, making the transmission more efficient even without the electric motors in use. Finally, the whole system fits into the space of, and indeed appears as, a conventional 4L60-E automatic transmission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Mode_Hybrid
I tried going to the refference off wiki but the GM pages no longer exist
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As long as they give me the L76 manual, I'm cool. And as there is a manual transmission option with the V8 (there MUST be) that's fine.

However, they said "one or two V8's". Most people are fine with one V6 and one V8, a lower and upper power trim level. Second V8 being a hybrid DOES make sense, especially considering these would be launch powerplants.

Then, of course, a top-dog edition could be released the next year. I see this as plausible. Not confirmed, but not out of the question.
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Keep in mind that, although it'd be cool, I'm skeptical we'll see a Hybrid Camaro anytime soon:

BUT, I also want to remind everybody that ever since the Tahoe, and Yukon Hybrids, GM is going to be releasing ONE new Hybrid model every 3 months for 4 years. SOURCE.

That's 12 new hybrids from GM alone...

EDIT: Also, I forgot to mention...GM will be using Lithium Ion batteries in "new generation" mild Hybrids. Which provide more longevity, power, and charge life.
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And the presidents of the big three met w/ the actual pres and it was decided that they were going to enact some new laws that said all veh's must get 30 mpg's plus, remember? It was something like that. Then, all the talk surfaced about the plants closing??? and the camaro taking longer to build? OK, maybe ya'll remember...

Well, with GM needing to increase all it's mgp's per vehicle, because law will come into effect, I see that they are actally starting to do this to all of their vehicles. Now, it's not the same mpgs as what was noted in congress in the bill, but it is close....and if we remember, the clause in the bill stated that if it were unacheivable by a certain year, then they would lower the mpg mark. Well, sounds to me like GM is setting up for this "other" mark.

In other words, GM and the other big three are expected to up their mpg's to something like 35-40 mpgs' per vehicle by the year 2012...or something like that. They know it's not feasible as of yet, so they are doing what they can....meanwhile, they are going to rake in everyone else's business due to being the only ones selling hybrid trucks, etc.
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please tell me there will be more than just the hybrid motor(6.0) as a standard v8 option. i really want something equal to or greather than the 6.2.
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The motor is NOT a hybrid. It does not have an electric motor as the flywheel, it does not have a super-starter that can run the engine by itselft. It is a modern 6.0L chevy small block (L76), that has a few features to improve milage. It makes enough power to impress most people. There is a transmission that has been designed for that particular engine which is an electro-mechanical hybrid system. AND there is nothing that says that the Camaro will for sure get either of these. IF there is a hybrid Camaro it will almost certainly be in the form of an option on the base V8. At some point (be it at release, 6 months later, 1 year later, what ever) it is nearly certain that an engine greater than or equal to the LS3 will be in the Camaro.
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please tell me there will be more than just the hybrid motor(6.0) as a standard v8 option. i really want something equal to or greather than the 6.2.
What's with you and the 6.2? Did you have a poor encounter with one of GM's 6 Liters?
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no my dad has a vette with the 6.0 and i just want the latest lsX motor. i had the 5.7 my dad has the 6.0 and i just want the best that is out at the time the camaro comes. not that its a bad motor i just want the most recent motor. i dont want to get the 6.0 and then the next year the 6.2 goes in. or get the 6.2 and the 2011 has something else like a 6.4. do you understand what im saying. im not trying to be cocky and say i want this and this or that i want the best, i just want whats the newest.
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this may seem kinda weird to everyone but i want to have matching motors in my cars. like when i get the camaro i want the 6.2, and eventually i would like to get a new escalade and have the 6.2 in that. just something i want. any ways back to your regularly scheduled program.
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