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Old 08-25-2013, 05:55 PM   #526
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Today finally got around to installing part of the Pfadt Trailing Arm Package. However today I only installed the actually trailing arms. I was planning on also doing the outer trailing arm bushings but the tool I originally bough to take the stock ones out like in the DIY made my SSMIKE was the wrong one and a cheap version and it wasn't working. Other than the whole outer bushing problem the only other issues I had were originally getting the bolts loose. I hit them with a heat gun for a little bit and after some hard pulling them loosened up easily. When putting the Pfadt Trailing Arms in there was some slight issues with them lining up with the Lower Control Arm but with a little pushing and my friend pushing the bolt through it only took a couple of minutes. Hopefully within a week or so I can get back under the car and swap out the bushings since that is where the most noticeable gain is. Here are some pics from the install. O also the pfadt trailing arms are 0.66lbs lighter than stock haha. I'll have to weigh how much the stock outer trailing arm bushings are and compare those to the pfadt ones. Not sure when I am going to be installing the tie rods since I need to get an alignment done with them. I plan on getting coilovers in the near future so maybe I will install the tie rods along with the coilovers so I only need to get an alignment once.

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O yea, not a fan of the "raw" look but as long as they do what they are suppose to do that is fine by me.
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Old 08-25-2013, 06:36 PM   #527
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Those will certainly help with keeping your tires planted. Of course the bushings will help even more.

As for the install of the bushings, when I did mine it was tricky. They were not easy to remove.
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Old 08-25-2013, 06:39 PM   #528
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You Camaro looks so good! The stripes with the hex vents really look great together
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Old 08-25-2013, 06:58 PM   #529
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Those will certainly help with keeping your tires planted. Of course the bushings will help even more.

As for the install of the bushings, when I did mine it was tricky. They were not easy to remove.
I did a hard start to test them out and the tires still spun and then again when the car shifted into second so it is hard to say how well the improved everything. I def need to get those bushings on. Unforunately I work the next 7 days straight so won't really have any time soon but when I can find time they will def be going on.


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You Camaro looks so good! The stripes with the hex vents really look great together
Thanks Aubrey! Can't wait to see how your new bumper looks!
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:07 PM   #530
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I did a hard start to test them out and the tires still spun and then again when the car shifted into second so it is hard to say how well the improved everything. I def need to get those bushings on. Unforunately I work the next 7 days straight so won't really have any time soon but when I can find time they will def be going on.




Thanks Aubrey! Can't wait to see how your new bumper looks!



Keep in mind, the trailing arms and bushing are not going to prevent wheel spin, they are to help prevent wheel hop. Big difference between the two. It is the dreaded wheel hop that breaks things.
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:33 PM   #531
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Keep in mind, the trailing arms and bushing are not going to prevent wheel spin, they are to help prevent wheel hop. Big difference between the two. It is the dreaded wheel hop that breaks things.
Ah maybe I don't know the difference yet lol. Still learning things as I go haha.
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:45 PM   #532
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Ah maybe I don't know the difference yet lol. Still learning things as I go haha.

NP........I never experienced wheel hop until last year while at the track, and I knew it when it was hoping along at the start, not a good thing.

Wheel spin is just that spinning of the tires.

Wheel hop is the back end trying to get traction and hoping while looking for it.

I am sure someone can describe it better.
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Old 08-27-2013, 04:02 PM   #533
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It stinks that the arms come raw, yet most of the pictures show them primer gray. You could have sprayed them IOM
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Old 08-28-2013, 06:02 AM   #534
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It stinks that the arms come raw, yet most of the pictures show them primer gray. You could have sprayed them IOM
The primer gray ones are made from a different metal which is prone to rust, hence the corrsive protective coating. There new ones are made out of stainless (which is a more costly resource and if the powder coated it the price of the trailing arms would increase) I did think about getting them powder coated but decided against it because it isn't something you can noticeably see unless you get under the car and figured I would spend my money elsewhere.
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:37 PM   #535
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Yesterday I decided to install the Pfadt outer trailing arm bushings that came with the trailing arm package. I didn't install them when I originally put in the trailing arms because I ended up buying the wrong tool. When doing the bushing install I highly highly recommend you follow this great DIY by ssmike step by step and DON't deviate from it lol. I say this because at first I thought using a dremel would be easier to use to trim off the bushing and boy was I wrong. A fresh sharp blade is def the way to go. I also highly recommend getting two fresh blades one for each side. Probably the hardest part in removing the bushings was getting the tool started to get it to stay on with two hands. Once it was on though it bushed out the stock bushings so easily. One other problem I had during the install is when I finally had the bushings in (which went in super easy!) I couldn't get everything to line up, like the holes were way off! Go figure I had my parking break on! . Once I took it off all I had to do was jack up the LCA arm to get the holes lined up.

Today I went out to see how the bushings feel and I can def. say that made a huge difference, more than just the trailing arms. Now I may be crazy (likely) or not know what I am talking about (very likely) but it seems like when I get on it the car really goes and responds instantly! Here are some pics from the install. These bushings weigh 0.28lbs lighter than the stock ones so switched out the stock trailing arms and bushings with the pfadt saves a little under 1lb.

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Old 08-31-2013, 04:14 PM   #536
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Very cool Kevin! I'm glad my DIY helped! Now you can try it out next Friday at test & tune night with us!
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:03 PM   #537
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Awesome work, man.
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:12 PM   #538
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Very cool Kevin! I'm glad my DIY helped! Now you can try it out next Friday at test & tune night with us!
Thanks Mike! No idea how I would have removed them without your DIY def a life saver. As of now I am going but knowing my luck work will get in the way and I won't be able to go.

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Thanks! Now on to the next mod, just gotta decide on what hmm
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:26 PM   #539
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Kevin i'm going to kill you!!! I want them now! I never going to finish like this!!! question? after the install did you need alignment?
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:01 PM   #540
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Kevin i'm going to kill you!!! I want them now! I never going to finish like this!!! question? after the install did you need alignment?
Lol hey I gotta continue to do work if I'm gonna keep my title next year at fest! Everyone who knows suspension more than me says you do not need an alignment after a trailing arm and bushing install. I will need one on my tie rods whenever I do them, which actually might be soon since I don't want to wait around until I save enough to buy coilovers.
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:22 PM   #541
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Lol hey I gotta continue to do work if I'm gonna keep my title next year at fest! Everyone who knows suspension more than me says you do not need an alignment after a trailing arm and bushing install. I will need one on my tie rods whenever I do them, which actually might be soon since I don't want to wait around until I save enough to buy coilovers.
coilovers is going to be a big hit in your wallet! i still want a 1 on 1 for that trophy!!!
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:34 AM   #542
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coilovers is going to be a big hit in your wallet! i still want a 1 on 1 for that trophy!!!
Lol I think pretty much all the mods I have left that I want to do are going to be a big hit to the wallet haha.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:39 AM   #543
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Lol hey I gotta continue to do work if I'm gonna keep my title next year at fest! Everyone who knows suspension more than me says you do not need an alignment after a trailing arm and bushing install. I will need one on my tie rods whenever I do them, which actually might be soon since I don't want to wait around until I save enough to buy coilovers.
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coilovers is going to be a big hit in your wallet! i still want a 1 on 1 for that trophy!!!
Maybe this is what you need to start doing Kevin

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Old 09-01-2013, 10:46 AM   #544
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Funny you post that because.....I do have an envelope set aside that is labelled coilovers haha that I have started putting money into.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:57 PM   #545
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Lol hey I gotta continue to do work if I'm gonna keep my title next year at fest! Everyone who knows suspension more than me says you do not need an alignment after a trailing arm and bushing install. I will need one on my tie rods whenever I do them, which actually might be soon since I don't want to wait around until I save enough to buy coilovers.


You better keep that title Kev...
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Old 09-03-2013, 02:30 PM   #546
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You better keep that title Kev...
Haha will try to!


Update:

Today I decided to finally weigh my car and see where it comes in at. Before I went over I filled it up with gas (not sure if that was a good idea or not). Well my car weighed in at 3720lbs (this is me not in the car, pretty sure. I say pretty sure because I pulled the car up on the scale got out and when I went into the office the woman already had the print out for me. However I don't think my car ways in at 3520lbs so....)

On the title of my car it says it weighs in at 3749lbs, I hope that is without gas considering all the weight I have taken off with various mods. If that is without gas I calculated that a full tank weighs about 114lbs so then without gas my car would weigh 3606lbs which actually comes close to the excel spreadsheet I have that keeps tally of all the weight I took off and added with various mods based on that orginal weight of the title +/- 5lbs. I do plan on some other weigh reduction mods and can't wait to see what my car weighs in at when I do those!.
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:12 PM   #547
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Wow, $8.00 for driving up on the scale! Not a bank breaker, but about 30% more than the high end of what seems reasonable, considering all that work she had to do.
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:48 PM   #548
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It does say driver "off". I guess she's just quick to get that $8 from you.
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Old 09-03-2013, 07:07 PM   #549
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That is good to know. Can you list all of what your weight reductions are to date. I would like to compare them to my list and I am interested in what future weight reductions you are planning.

Thank - you in advance for anymore info. you will be sharing.
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For a second I thought it said it cost 800 dollars
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