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Old 04-02-2012, 05:44 PM   #18
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RWHP should show an increase.
Exactly. You should get more rwhp. Whatever the electric power steering is good for, but that doesn't give you anymore at the engine, which is where Chevy rates it. I think you should also get a bump in fuel economy. I think electric power steering is typically good for 1 extra mpg.
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:59 PM   #19
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Exactly. You should get more rwhp. Whatever the electric power steering is good for, but that doesn't give you anymore at the engine, which is where Chevy rates it. I think you should also get a bump in fuel economy. I think electric power steering is typically good for 1 extra mpg.
Not with 3.91 gears, you will see a drop in MPG I would imagine.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:07 PM   #20
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Suspension is 10x better than the Boss's
I agree with that.

I'm just saying that the 1LE should be a stripped down street legal race car. something like the GT3 RS and the Scuderia F430.

I know the suspension is superior compared to its rivals but also GM should've focused some more on weight loss.

The SS its self is a great sports car (I can only imagine the purposely tuned track car) but its weight is whats holding it back.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:13 PM   #21
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Not with 3.91 gears, you will see a drop in MPG I would imagine.
Not really. Yes it has 3.91 final drive, but it also has different ratios inside the transmission. There are only a few gears that are lower. The rest if you drive in fuel sipper mode should retain the same fuel economy. Here is the calculations I did in another thread. Assuming my math is right.

By the way, in the last thread it was mentioned that 278 mph was not possible. That is correct. That is the theoretical top speed in the gear at the camaro's redline. The camaro does not have the horspower and aerodynamics to achieve it. That and those two gears are overdrive gears which aren't typically used for acceleration, but fuel economy. So although it seems wrong it's actually not.

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have also taken a look at the new final ratio and gear ratios and I am not a speed calculating expert, but here is what I got using this calculator. Can someone tell me if this is accurate or if I should go back to math class?

http://www.apexgarage.com/tech/gear_ratios.shtml

I used 27.8544 for the tire diameter, 6,600 for the rpm.

So with the 3.45 Final and the transmission gearing listed for the SS I get max speeds of

1st: 53 mph
2nd: 77 mph
3rd: 111 mph
4th: 159 mph
5th: 189 mph
6th: 278 mph

With the new 3.91 Final and the transmission gearing listed for the 1LE I get max speeds of

1st: 53 mph
2nd: 79 mph
3rd: 108mph
4th: 140 mph
5th: 189 mph
6th: 280 mph

It looks like first gear comes out to exactly the same.

Second gear is actually slightly taller on the 1LE, but very minimal (around 100 rpm)

Third gear is a little shorter on the 1LE, but not much again (around 100 rpm)

Now 4th gear is where you notice the shorter gearing of the 1LE.

The overdrives are pretty much exactly the same as well so it looks like you can still sip fuel in granny mode. Very nice. It looks like this is still a great daily driver.

Of course, that's if my calculations are correct???
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I agree with that.

I'm just saying that the 1LE should be a stripped down street legal race car. something like the GT3 RS and the Scuderia F430.

I know the suspension is superior compared to its rivals but also GM should've focused some more on weight loss.

The SS its self is a great sports car (I can only imagine the purposely tuned track car) but its weight is whats holding it back.


Wayyyyyyyyyy to expensive to do for GM.

I'm replacing the seats, exhaust, rotors, etc., when I get my Camaro.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:15 PM   #23
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Not really. Yes it has 3.91 final drive, but it also has different ratios inside the transmission. There are only a few gears that are lower. The rest if you drive in fuel sipper mode should retain the same fuel economy. Here is the calculations I did in another thread. Assuming my math is right.

By the way, in the last thread it was mentioned that 278 mph was not possible. That is correct. That is the theoretical top speed in the gear at the camaro's redline. The camaro does not have the horspower and aerodynamics to achieve it. That and those two gears are overdrive gears which aren't typically used for acceleration, but fuel economy. So although it seems wrong it's actually not.
Good job you beat me to it.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:24 PM   #24
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I agree with that.

I'm just saying that the 1LE should be a stripped down street legal race car. something like the GT3 RS and the Scuderia F430.

I know the suspension is superior compared to its rivals but also GM should've focused some more on weight loss.
If you start seriously using it for the track, then why not strip it down yourself? Who needs back seats for a track car? Who needs a passenger seat? It's not that hard to just start unbolting things. Easier to take apart than install.

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Good job you beat me to it.
Now I really hope my math is right because if it isn't, then I may have started some crazy rumor that IDK if I want to take responsibility for. Although in my opinion for a street/track car GM did the right thing changing the ratios to work out that way. It really gives you the best of both worlds.
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:21 PM   #25
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I agree with that.

I'm just saying that the 1LE should be a stripped down street legal race car. something like the GT3 RS and the Scuderia F430.

I know the suspension is superior compared to its rivals but also GM should've focused some more on weight loss.

The SS its self is a great sports car (I can only imagine the purposely tuned track car) but its weight is whats holding it back.
At this point there is not a whole lot that can be done for weight reduction without re-engineering and costly and/or exotic materials. It is what it is, the weight of the 5th gen Camaro cannot be radically altered at this point in time unless buyers are willing to pay a very substantial premium.
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I thought this quote was worth another look. Yeah, 150 lbs savings. HUGE!

If that is the case;
150 - seats
30 - exhaust
10 - washer fluid bottle
20 - 2 piece rotors
Anything else?
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At this point there is not a whole lot that can be done for weight reduction without re-engineering and costly and/or exotic materials. It is what it is, the weight of the 5th gen Camaro cannot be radically altered at this point in time unless buyers are willing to pay a very substantial premium.
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:28 PM   #28
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I thought this quote was worth another look. Yeah, 150 lbs savings. HUGE!

If that is the case;
150 - seats
30 - exhaust
10 - washer fluid bottle
20 - 2 piece rotors
Anything else?
I'll have to keep my girlfriend out of it.
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:30 PM   #29
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if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
Simple. The SS ride quality is awesome. The 1LE ride quality is probably going to suffer. I personally wouldn't pay that much more for a 1LE especially with a track pack on a mustang GT costing $2500. Remember at that price the BOSS is essentially a whole new engine with completely forged internals and more power. Don't get me wrong. New gear ratios is nice as is transmission cooling and suspension, but that only brings so much value.
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
The way the 1LE info was worded it is an SS option. So they are saying 1SS + 1LE is under $40K. Probably not by much. If you want to load up the 1LE with 2SS, RS, sun roof, and NAV then you are probably talking $47,500 (my guess).
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If I remember correctly, a LS3 crate engine is rated at 485 hp @flywheel thru GMPP.
Interesting....what's the difference? Different cams? A non-epa tune? Other parts?

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Damn. 150 lbs just for different seats?
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Interesting....what's the difference? Different cams? A non-epa tune? Other parts?



Damn. 150 lbs just for different seats?
no accessories, and whatever intake and exhaust they wanted to throw on it at the time. probably one that flows better then most would once installed.
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
That's what the Z28 is for. The 1LE is priced and built appropriately.
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a little price increase wouldn't hurt the 1LE. if its priced similar to the Boss its gonna do just fine.

and plus most people gonna be buying the 1LE are Hrdcore Track people and somebody that knows what the car is really for. those people are most of the time willing to pay a little extra.

if GM priced the 1LE at $45-$48k I personally think thats fair. Do you seriously believe that its gonna be under $40k? the Fully loaded SS sells for $39k. GM is not stupid. why buy the SS if you can have the Better one for a $1k difference?
Why make a price increase.....????? And "track people" are more susceptible to paying a premium? Realy? They announced the price, so ...it is what it is. maybe you can't accept that. Your pricing is above base anyway. Take your fishing gear elsewhere.
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