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Old 04-04-2012, 10:31 PM   #101
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That's why I thought it was odd when they first announced it in VR only.... Glad they changed their mind.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:45 PM   #105
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The majority of the time........YES!
Every now and then we get a few trouble makers.

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Old 04-04-2012, 10:47 PM   #106
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Glad to hear everyone's good. I like these discussions. I should compile the thoughts and author a book...Camaro philosophy 101 for new Enthusiasts: All you need to know.
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Lets be honest here for a moment. The way I see it, you have six old guys that hang out and control this entire section. If and when anyone else comes in here and post any opinion that differs from theirs, they are jumped on for stirring the pot. I hate to say it, but seeing that at this point in time, the car does not exist, so there is nothing but opinion and speculation. And one mans opinion should not carry any more weight than anther's. Just because you don't like what we have to say, doesn't mean we don't belong or shouldn't be here ...
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Lets be honest here for a moment. The way I see it, you have six old guys that hang out and control this entire section. If and when anyone else comes in here and post any opinion that differs from theirs, they are jumped on for stirring the pot. I hate to say it, but seeing that at this point in time, the car does not exist, so there is nothing but opinion and speculation. And one mans opinion should not carry any more weight than anther's. Just because you don't like what we have to say, doesn't mean we don't belong or shouldn't be here ...
Well, sonny, here at the Home, when they slow down the meds and bi-polar'd faculties fail them, the lads get a wee bit cantankerous. "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and inexperience EVERY time", goes the sayin'. And the lads live by that axiom. 'Cause, you see, they might not know a LOT (anymore) but they DO know EXACTLY (no more, no less) what constitutes their favorite land-based 4-seat sizzler..."hehehe".

Too damn bad the old farts are sooo feeble that they'd NEVER be fully able/equipped to utilize ALL the awesome capacities that GM could place within the bumpers of a worthy ZEE...seein' as how Everest-Jennings doesn't have the same capacities in their vehicles, the vehicles all these washed-up old fools peel around in, these days...

Think of this as ZEE Boot Camp, and perhaps you'll realize that, at boot camp, you sit at the mess table, learn what the folks, present, are speakin' about and, even if you think you're Lou Freakin' Ferrigno, you respect those and their discussion...or you'll quickly find out who's friends with whom...and why Lou turns "green with envy"...

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Old 04-05-2012, 10:23 AM   #109
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Lets be honest here for a moment. The way I see it, you have six old guys that hang out and control this entire section. If and when anyone else comes in here and post any opinion that differs from theirs, they are jumped on for stirring the pot. I hate to say it, but seeing that at this point in time, the car does not exist, so there is nothing but opinion and speculation. And one mans opinion should not carry any more weight than anther's. Just because you don't like what we have to say, doesn't mean we don't belong or shouldn't be here ...


It's not the counter arguments (which we that have been here for quite some time have heard them all) it's the attitude with which they are delivered. We've spent much time analyzing what it would take to mock up a current Z28. We are open to any and all new ideas. But NOT the "it ain't gonna happen" idea.


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....everything is good, thanks for asking. Hey, congrats on the impending arrival of your new silver bullett! I'm really excited for you Joe...I look forward to seeing and reading about it....
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:18 PM   #111
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My reason why the Z/28 is more heralded is you can get the SS on pretty much any New GM car now a days (Camaro, Trailblazer SS, Malibu SS, Impala SS, HHR SS, Silverado SS) now several of these cars they no longer offer the SS package on them still the SS has been over used IMHO and only one car can carry the Z/28 and that is the Camaro.
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Just curious why everyone on the board is always so excited about the z/28 over the SS? I'll explain why I'm asking...maybe it's performance related or I'm just not well educated enough in the differences between Z/28 and SS.

I owned a 1997 Z/28 that was a badass ride. However, the SS was the upgrade to the z/28. This was true for all 4th gen Camaros right? You would see the z/28 everywhere but the SS was far more rare and more expensive with beefed up performance parts.

Then the 5th GEN came out and all the V8s are called an SS whether it's a 1SS or a 2SS based on the options you want. Performance is the same. Yet there is no z/28 (yet). Why did GM/Chevy not just call the standard V8 Camaro a z/28 and instead just went with SS? This confuses most of my friends and family who think I really splurged to get the SS when the z/28 was always the more affordable of the V8 Camaro. They don't realize there is no z/28 for the 5th GEN.

Anyway, just thought I'd ask the experts here, because I honestly don't know. I do realize that in the 1st GEN there was the V6 and the V8 SS and the z/28 wasn't introduced until '69? Maybe that's why the 5th gen is SS since it's the re-birth? There were no SS in the 3rd gen right? I owned a 1986 Berlinetta back in the high school days. LOL. 2.8L baby!! Thanks to this site, I found the '86 Berlinetta was actually quite rare
any Chevrolet can be an SS. Only a Camaro can be a Z28. My guess is that when gen5 was under development other Chevy's were using SS, so they decided to make it the standard performance name, like the V series is with Cadillac. Or maybe they wanted to disassociate the new car with the
4thgen??
I don't like it. Basically from 1970-1995 the Z28 was THE performance name for Camaro. Even the IROC's were IROC-Z28's. The SS disappeared. Actually when it returned in 1996 it was called Z28SS.
Some people have wanted the Z28 to return as some low volume special model, but to me that's not really what it was. Maybe it was in 1967-68, but starting in 1970 it basically became the mainstream GT car for the Camaro.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:48 PM   #113
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Lets be honest here for a moment. The way I see it, you have six old guys that hang out and control this entire section. If and when anyone else comes in here and post any opinion that differs from theirs, they are jumped on for stirring the pot. I hate to say it, but seeing that at this point in time, the car does not exist, so there is nothing but opinion and speculation. And one mans opinion should not carry any more weight than anther's. Just because you don't like what we have to say, doesn't mean we don't belong or shouldn't be here ...
I hope you aren't including me in that 6 old guys. I may have lived through the 80's but I don't remember the first 6 years of it.

But I will say people that have lived with Z28's for years and grew up owning them and knowing the history better should have a greater opinion. Especially if what some people coming in here claiming that the SS is always top dog. When that is just not the case. those are the people I have issues with. especially when they are corrected nicely and they get butt hurt.

just saying some people are just a little touchy.
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My reason why the Z/28 is more heralded is you can get the SS on pretty much any New GM car now a days (Camaro, Trailblazer SS, Malibu SS, Impala SS, HHR SS, Silverado SS) now several of these cars they no longer offer the SS package on them still the SS has been over used IMHO and only one car can carry the Z/28 and that is the Camaro.
remember the 90's. Z34's and other cars with the ZXX markings? Z's have been used on a lot of cars also. granted they were all their own designation. but the Z was still there.
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Even the SS and RS were Z's.


Z10 1969 Camaro Special paint package, similar to Indy Pace car in coupe form. $36.90 N/A
Z11 1969 Camaro Special Indy Sport convertible, also known as the Inianapolis Pace Car. $36.90 3,675
Z21 1969 Camaro Exterior Style Trim Group (Coupe) including bright wheel opening moldings, bright drip moldings, fender pinstriping, bright belt moldings, black lower body sill.
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remember the 90's. Z34's and other cars with the ZXX markings? Z's have been used on a lot of cars also. granted they were all their own designation. but the Z was still there.
I agree, I park My z71 next to a zr2 at work, Maybe people think the ss is top dog because allot of the cars built today with the SS and have a ZXX model also, seem to be less then the ss on the new gens. and they lack the knowledge of the z/28's back when they first came out and what they were built for. The ss silverado is a better truck then my z71 all I got was bigger tires/skid plates and better shocks and cool sticker on the side of the bed. I think alot of the new gen cars with the ss badge is a better model. so that is why I belive people think they way they do now. Chevy does us the ZXX RPO alot and they are not much different then the nonzxx models. Maybe that is why they have not built a new z28 yet, Because all the zxx models since the originals have not been better then a model that had a ss badge. And this day and age the ss would Just sell better to the yonger crowd. I will trade my SS in for A Z28 when they come out with it.

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Z28 emblems on qrille, front fender and rear panel; special front and rear suspension, rear bumper guards, heavy-duty radiator and temperature-controlled fan, quick ratio steerinq; 15" x 7" wheels with special center caps and trim rings, E70x15 special white lettered blackwall tires, special paint stripes on hood and rear deck. Available only when tachometer gauge or special instrumentation, 4-speed transmission, power front or four-wheel disc brakes are ordered. Positraction Rear Axle recommended. $458.25 20,302

Thats what I mean, I do not think any of the cars today that have a zXX badge that also has a ss badge, (execpt maybe the ZL1) do not have that much more added on to it. The Z28 RPO is one of a kind.

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My first Camaro was a Z-28... 305 4 barrel, (I got mad at it and sold it after getting beat by a girl in a Fiero GT) so I guess the name isn't my biggest concern, but I find all of this entertaining none-the-less.
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...some of old fogies can recall the very FIRST Z-car...the vaunted '63 Z-11...look that one up...

The '63 Vette Z06 was simply a BIG gas tank option...the Z-11 Impala was "something very special"...

The original '65 Malibu SS 396 was option code Z16.

And, yes, I owned a '68 Z/28 in the spring-to-fall of '69...an early one that said "302" on the front fenders.
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I said it before (many times) and I'll say it again, It's not the name it's what it Stands For!
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I said it before (many times) and I'll say it again, It's not the name it's what it Stands For!

It's all a matter of the type of experience you had with the car. If you had a bad one, that gave you nothing but problems, the moniker could mean something very negative.
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I prefer to be optimistic. Negativity breeds like a plague. Don't need it. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. I think the current Camaros have come a long way. Myself I left American made cars for some time due to poor quality, but I'm back. They are proving themselves regularly.
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I prefer to be optimistic. Negativity breeds like a plague. Don't need it. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. I think the current Camaros have come a long way. Myself I left American made cars for some time due to poor quality, but I'm back. They are proving themselves regularly.

I'm not a negative person, just never had a lot of good luck with Fbody cars back then. Not saying I don't like them now, heck I have a third 5th Gen on order, that says something positive in itself. Back in the day, I put more effort into fuller sized cars. I was into GTO, 442, Buick GS, Grand Prix, Monte Carlos and so on. So you see everything is all relative to what you have experienced in the past. Nobody is right or wrong, some just need to have thicker skin and understand not everyone has the same thoughts.

BTW ... I've never strayed from GM in my over 40 years of driving.
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