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Old 04-05-2012, 04:13 PM   #126
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LOL ... You gents have fun, I'm heading out to a weekly car show at our Quaker Steak & Lube ... I've got the itch to row a few gears now after reading this all day ...
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:21 PM   #128
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:54 PM   #129
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One color? Yeah that'll sell cars. NOT!
Me too I thought it would be a hinderance. But the red does look good on my desktop. I like the black hood. But I know not everyone will. Hopefully it's not paint.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:47 PM   #131
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Me too I thought it would be a hinderance. But the red does look good on my desktop. I like the black hood. But I know not everyone will. Hopefully it's not paint.
Pretty sure it's a wrap. Don't have time to find it but I think I remember fbodfather saying it can be removed.
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The point here is not whether you disagree, but how you say it. And never escalate. Both good things to keep in mind in any forum.

One problem with the section is it is hard to quickly get the essence of the Z28 if you are not aware of how it got started. Which is why it needs a sticky that says: Read this first.

Everyone here knows the Z28 is not for sure. But then again there are enough GM insiders on here that could diffuse this section with one post. And that has not happened. I think Chevrolet is still deciding and that the GM enthusiasts want it but may be having trouble justifying a third specialty performance Camaro.

We will just have to wait and see.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:20 PM   #133
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Well, it obvious that GM has played the SS and Z/28 game a number of times over the 5 generations. How about really stirring the pot with the IROC in Gen 3. It boils down to there is only one Chevrolet to ever carry the Z/28 name, that being the Camaro. There was the feeble attempt of giving it's weak sister the Cavalier the Z/24 name. But since 1961 the SS name has been doned and tainted on many unworthy models.

You can bet the next Z/28 will have a different engine than the SS and never be used on another model.
IROC would be weird to bring back. They don't even run the "International Race of Champions" anymore, nor does anyone really care about that race's history to warrant bringing it out of retirement (although I admit, I loved the IROC when it came out, and didn't give a crap about the race series).

Z/28, RS, and SS are all Chevy badges to do with what they will. The "Z" numbers were (are?) just generic trim/package codes created by some accountant or bean counter. "Rally Sport" and "Super Sport" are just marketing terms, sort of like "GTO" = "Gran Tourismo Omlogato" i.e. homlogated touring (race) car, but that wasn't really the case. I'm sure some Camaros ended up in rally races, but they weren't homologation specials like what RS means in Europe.

What's most important is they were on cool cars, and that's what people remember. And GM is making cool enough cars to put those badges on again without being sacrilegious. The LS1 Z/28 had a great motor but that's about it. Apparently GM is waiting for the right time to put that badge on the 5th gens, because it's been considered the pinnacle of Camaro-ness, so they don't want to blow their wad too soon in the battle against the Mustangs.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:34 PM   #134
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remember the 90's. Z34's and other cars with the ZXX markings? Z's have been used on a lot of cars also. granted they were all their own designation. but the Z was still there.
I do very well but when did you ever see a Z28 badge on a Malibu, HHR, Silverado, Tahoe, Impala, or Cobalt NEVER yes all of those models you could get in the SS package...
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I do very well but when did you ever see a Z28 badge on a Malibu, HHR, Silverado, Tahoe, Impala, or Cobalt NEVER yes all of those models you could get in the SS package...
the point was ZXX was used on a lot of different vehicles then. and some not so deserving of that designation. Some people could view the Z28 as one of those type of vehicles. But you're right the only one with Z28 was a camaro. you don't have to lecture me on that. I've been around here screaming for a Z28 for years. sometimes I had to not come on here because I ended up selling my 4th gen Z28 and didn't know when I was getting a 5th gen. now that I own an SS vert I feel I have a reason to come back. But instead of browsing the rest of the forum a lot I end up in this section. Why? Because I want a Z28, still.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:59 PM   #136
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the point was ZXX was used on a lot of different vehicles then. and some not so deserving of that designation. Some people could view the Z28 as one of those type of vehicles. But you're right the only one with Z28 was a camaro. you don't have to lecture me on that. I've been around here screaming for a Z28 for years. sometimes I had to not come on here because I ended up selling my 4th gen Z28 and didn't know when I was getting a 5th gen. now that I own an SS vert I feel I have a reason to come back. But instead of browsing the rest of the forum a lot I end up in this section. Why? Because I want a Z28, still.
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The point here is not whether you disagree, but how you say it. And never escalate. Both good things to keep in mind in any forum.

One problem with the section is it is hard to quickly get the essence of the Z28 if you are not aware of how it got started. Which is why it needs a sticky that says: Read this first.

Everyone here knows the Z28 is not for sure. But then again there are enough GM insiders on here that could diffuse this section with one post. And that has not happened. I think Chevrolet is still deciding and that the GM enthusiasts want it but may be having trouble justifying a third specialty performance Camaro.

We will just have to wait and see.
Very well done. I'll add this, if you want something bad you'd better make sure your heard.
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:34 PM   #138
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My first Camaro was a Z-28... 305 4 barrel, (I got mad at it and sold it after getting beat by a girl in a Fiero GT) so I guess the name isn't my biggest concern, but I find all of this entertaining none-the-less.
...I understand your line of thought. And that was then. Much earlier the prowess with the brand name was well established. Things changed over an evolutionary process with the vehicle and the period of time it was manufactured. One's perception is grounded and everlasting with their experience at that point of time. Just like cops, most people perceive them to be and feel how they are based upon their first encounter with them.

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...and how!. I have watched the evolutionary progress over decades like many of us here and I am astounded where we are at this given point of time.
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Very well done. I'll add this, if you want something bad you'd better make sure your heard.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:16 AM   #139
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I love Camaros, but I am not in love with one model designation. I had a the above mentioned 84 (the only auto trans of the bunch), followed by a 92 RS (305TBI and a 5 speed) that was a nice car, but not a great performance car. Then a 1996 Z28 that I loved and put more miles on than any other Camaro (not a "track ready" car, but still fun), a 99 SS that was probably my overall favorite and my 2010 SS that I recently sold, the best overall car, but did not have the raw edge of my modified 99 SS. I have autocrossed, drag-raced, or track-dayed all but the first one, so the total performance of the car means a lot to me. I am looking forward to the 1LE and plan to do what it takes to make it around 500 hp, but would certainly consider a future Z28 if the price point and performance works out. I would love to own a first gen Z/28 someday, but it would be a collector piece, not a daily driver or track car, so for now I would rather spend my money on the closest modern day equivalent.
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I thought great, it cost me $3000 to drive it 14,000 miles over 2 1/2 years (winter storage). I was going to wait and buy a used ZL1, but the 1LE has won me over and I plan to order one when they are available.
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I thought great, it cost me $3000 to drive it 14,000 miles over 2 1/2 years (winter storage). I was going to wait and buy a used ZL1, but the 1LE has won me over and I plan to order one when they are available.
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I love Camaros, but I am not in love with one model designation. I had a the above mentioned 84 (the only auto trans of the bunch), followed by a 92 RS (305TBI and a 5 speed) that was a nice car, but not a great performance car. Then a 1996 Z28 that I loved and put more miles on than any other Camaro (not a "track ready" car, but still fun), a 99 SS that was probably my overall favorite and my 2010 SS that I recently sold, the best overall car, but did not have the raw edge of my modified 99 SS. I have autocrossed, drag-raced, or track-dayed all but the first one, so the total performance of the car means a lot to me. I am looking forward to the 1LE and plan to do what it takes to make it around 500 hp, but would certainly consider a future Z28 if the price point and performance works out. I would love to own a first gen Z/28 someday, but it would be a collector piece, not a daily driver or track car, so for now I would rather spend my money on the closest modern day equivalent.
That is done very easily with the LS3, for under $5k you could be running 470-480 to the ground. Along with the 3:91 gear that would be a lot of fun to drive.
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Actually i believe the Boss 302 came later. They were running the 289.
Correct chevy perfected the 302, before ford ever produced one.
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That is done very easily with the LS3, for under $5k you could be running 470-480 to the ground. Along with the 3:91 gear that would be a lot of fun to drive.
Righton SS!. Or should we address you as old guy number 7?....Just sayin'.....
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Righton SS!. Or should we address you as old guy number 7?....Just sayin'.....
What?......there can't be more than six old guys on this forum.
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So is this about old guys vs young guys. LOL

Z28 means a lot of different things to different people.

60's Z28 has a whole different meaning than the late 70s and 80s. To me, the Z28 was simply the performance Camaro. When I wanted one as a "young man", there really wasn't much of the SS on any Chevy that meant much. It was Camaro and Camaro Z28.....same as Trans Am.

Today, some are thinking it needs to be "back to the future" with an SS and a Z28.

The fun part is there really isn't a correct answer. What was at one point does not define what must be in the future.

GM is just playing with us now by resurecting the ZL1 and 1LE option codes..............and it thus far has not proven to be a bad thing.

And young 'uns...........just remember.....................someday you too will be the old guys.
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What was at one point does not define what must be in the future.
This.

Elevety-billion times over.

And that's not in support of any personal opinion I have...it's just SUCH a good point - and can be applied to a great many situations.
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