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Old 04-05-2012, 04:14 PM   #120
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My first Camaro was a Z-28... 305 4 barrel, (I got mad at it and sold it after getting beat by a girl in a Fiero GT) so I guess the name isn't my biggest concern, but I find all of this entertaining none-the-less.

I said it before (many times) and I'll say it again, It's not the name it's what it Stands For!
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:22 PM   #121
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I said it before (many times) and I'll say it again, It's not the name it's what it Stands For!

It's all a matter of the type of experience you had with the car. If you had a bad one, that gave you nothing but problems, the moniker could mean something very negative.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:38 PM   #122
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It's all a matter of the type of experience you had with the car. If you had a bad one, that gave you nothing but problems, the moniker could mean something very negative.
Then you'd expect those folks to avoid this Section, like the plague...
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:40 PM   #123
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It's all a matter of the type of experience you had with the car. If you had a bad one, that gave you nothing but problems, the moniker could mean something very negative.
I prefer to be optimistic. Negativity breeds like a plague. Don't need it. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. I think the current Camaros have come a long way. Myself I left American made cars for some time due to poor quality, but I'm back. They are proving themselves regularly.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:52 PM   #124
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It's all a matter of the type of experience you had with the car. If you had a bad one, that gave you nothing but problems, the moniker could mean something very negative.
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I prefer to be optimistic. Negativity breeds like a plague. Don't need it. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. I think the current Camaros have come a long way. Myself I left American made cars for some time due to poor quality, but I'm back. They are proving themselves regularly.

I'm not a negative person, just never had a lot of good luck with Fbody cars back then. Not saying I don't like them now, heck I have a third 5th Gen on order, that says something positive in itself. Back in the day, I put more effort into fuller sized cars. I was into GTO, 442, Buick GS, Grand Prix, Monte Carlos and so on. So you see everything is all relative to what you have experienced in the past. Nobody is right or wrong, some just need to have thicker skin and understand not everyone has the same thoughts.

BTW ... I've never strayed from GM in my over 40 years of driving.
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:03 PM   #125
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BTW ... my over 40 years of driving.
...which automatically entitles you to be the 7TH OLD FART, here...
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^I laughed out loud on that one!!!
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:21 PM   #127
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LOL ... You gents have fun, I'm heading out to a weekly car show at our Quaker Steak & Lube ... I've got the itch to row a few gears now after reading this all day ...
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:21 PM   #128
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^I laughed out loud on that one!!!
FINALLY! Someone around here with a sense of hummer...was that too many mmmmms?
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:54 PM   #129
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LOL ... You gents have fun, I'm heading out to a weekly car show at our Quaker Steak & Lube ... I've got the itch to row a few gears now after reading this all day ...
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:38 PM   #130
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One color? Yeah that'll sell cars. NOT!
Me too I thought it would be a hinderance. But the red does look good on my desktop. I like the black hood. But I know not everyone will. Hopefully it's not paint.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:47 PM   #131
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Me too I thought it would be a hinderance. But the red does look good on my desktop. I like the black hood. But I know not everyone will. Hopefully it's not paint.
Pretty sure it's a wrap. Don't have time to find it but I think I remember fbodfather saying it can be removed.
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The point here is not whether you disagree, but how you say it. And never escalate. Both good things to keep in mind in any forum.

One problem with the section is it is hard to quickly get the essence of the Z28 if you are not aware of how it got started. Which is why it needs a sticky that says: Read this first.

Everyone here knows the Z28 is not for sure. But then again there are enough GM insiders on here that could diffuse this section with one post. And that has not happened. I think Chevrolet is still deciding and that the GM enthusiasts want it but may be having trouble justifying a third specialty performance Camaro.

We will just have to wait and see.
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:20 PM   #133
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Well, it obvious that GM has played the SS and Z/28 game a number of times over the 5 generations. How about really stirring the pot with the IROC in Gen 3. It boils down to there is only one Chevrolet to ever carry the Z/28 name, that being the Camaro. There was the feeble attempt of giving it's weak sister the Cavalier the Z/24 name. But since 1961 the SS name has been doned and tainted on many unworthy models.

You can bet the next Z/28 will have a different engine than the SS and never be used on another model.
IROC would be weird to bring back. They don't even run the "International Race of Champions" anymore, nor does anyone really care about that race's history to warrant bringing it out of retirement (although I admit, I loved the IROC when it came out, and didn't give a crap about the race series).

Z/28, RS, and SS are all Chevy badges to do with what they will. The "Z" numbers were (are?) just generic trim/package codes created by some accountant or bean counter. "Rally Sport" and "Super Sport" are just marketing terms, sort of like "GTO" = "Gran Tourismo Omlogato" i.e. homlogated touring (race) car, but that wasn't really the case. I'm sure some Camaros ended up in rally races, but they weren't homologation specials like what RS means in Europe.

What's most important is they were on cool cars, and that's what people remember. And GM is making cool enough cars to put those badges on again without being sacrilegious. The LS1 Z/28 had a great motor but that's about it. Apparently GM is waiting for the right time to put that badge on the 5th gens, because it's been considered the pinnacle of Camaro-ness, so they don't want to blow their wad too soon in the battle against the Mustangs.
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:34 PM   #134
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remember the 90's. Z34's and other cars with the ZXX markings? Z's have been used on a lot of cars also. granted they were all their own designation. but the Z was still there.
I do very well but when did you ever see a Z28 badge on a Malibu, HHR, Silverado, Tahoe, Impala, or Cobalt NEVER yes all of those models you could get in the SS package...
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I do very well but when did you ever see a Z28 badge on a Malibu, HHR, Silverado, Tahoe, Impala, or Cobalt NEVER yes all of those models you could get in the SS package...
the point was ZXX was used on a lot of different vehicles then. and some not so deserving of that designation. Some people could view the Z28 as one of those type of vehicles. But you're right the only one with Z28 was a camaro. you don't have to lecture me on that. I've been around here screaming for a Z28 for years. sometimes I had to not come on here because I ended up selling my 4th gen Z28 and didn't know when I was getting a 5th gen. now that I own an SS vert I feel I have a reason to come back. But instead of browsing the rest of the forum a lot I end up in this section. Why? Because I want a Z28, still.
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:59 PM   #136
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the point was ZXX was used on a lot of different vehicles then. and some not so deserving of that designation. Some people could view the Z28 as one of those type of vehicles. But you're right the only one with Z28 was a camaro. you don't have to lecture me on that. I've been around here screaming for a Z28 for years. sometimes I had to not come on here because I ended up selling my 4th gen Z28 and didn't know when I was getting a 5th gen. now that I own an SS vert I feel I have a reason to come back. But instead of browsing the rest of the forum a lot I end up in this section. Why? Because I want a Z28, still.
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