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Old 04-05-2012, 12:48 PM   #113
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Lets be honest here for a moment. The way I see it, you have six old guys that hang out and control this entire section. If and when anyone else comes in here and post any opinion that differs from theirs, they are jumped on for stirring the pot. I hate to say it, but seeing that at this point in time, the car does not exist, so there is nothing but opinion and speculation. And one mans opinion should not carry any more weight than anther's. Just because you don't like what we have to say, doesn't mean we don't belong or shouldn't be here ...
I hope you aren't including me in that 6 old guys. I may have lived through the 80's but I don't remember the first 6 years of it.

But I will say people that have lived with Z28's for years and grew up owning them and knowing the history better should have a greater opinion. Especially if what some people coming in here claiming that the SS is always top dog. When that is just not the case. those are the people I have issues with. especially when they are corrected nicely and they get butt hurt.

just saying some people are just a little touchy.
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We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:50 PM   #114
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My reason why the Z/28 is more heralded is you can get the SS on pretty much any New GM car now a days (Camaro, Trailblazer SS, Malibu SS, Impala SS, HHR SS, Silverado SS) now several of these cars they no longer offer the SS package on them still the SS has been over used IMHO and only one car can carry the Z/28 and that is the Camaro.
remember the 90's. Z34's and other cars with the ZXX markings? Z's have been used on a lot of cars also. granted they were all their own designation. but the Z was still there.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:29 PM   #115
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Even the SS and RS were Z's.


Z10 1969 Camaro Special paint package, similar to Indy Pace car in coupe form. $36.90 N/A
Z11 1969 Camaro Special Indy Sport convertible, also known as the Inianapolis Pace Car. $36.90 3,675
Z21 1969 Camaro Exterior Style Trim Group (Coupe) including bright wheel opening moldings, bright drip moldings, fender pinstriping, bright belt moldings, black lower body sill.
*NOTE: *Coupe Price $47.40 102,740
Z21 1969 Camaro Exterior Style Trim Group (Convertible) including bright wheel opening moldings, fender pinstriping, bright belt moldings, black body sill, headlight bezel accents.
*NOTE: *Convertible Price $36.90 102,740
Z22 1969 Camaro Rally Sport Package including Z21 option plus full width grill with concealed headlights with headlight washer system, RS grille emblem (or SS when options combined), reverse lights located below bumper in rear. $131.65 37,773
Z23 1969 Camaro Special Interior including bright pedal trim, and other accents. See Z87 table for details. NOTE: included when RPO Z87 ordered. $17.95 66,469
Z27 1969 Camaro Base Super Sport option package including MC1 transmission and L48 350cid 4bbl 8cyl engine. 396cid engines available as option. $295.95 34,932
Z27 1969 Camaro Price increase effective Jan of 1969. $311.75 34,932
Z27 1969 Camaro Price increase effective May of 1969. $327.55 34,932
Z28 1969 Camaro Model 12437 only. Includes 302-cu-in V8 engine with bright accents, dual exhaust, Z28 emblems on qrille, front fender and rear panel; special front and rear suspension, rear bumper guards, heavy-duty radiator and temperature-controlled fan, quick ratio steerinq; 15" x 7" wheels with special center caps and trim rings, E70x15 special white lettered blackwall tires, special paint stripes on hood and rear deck. Available only when tachometer gauge or special instrumentation, 4-speed transmission, power front or four-wheel disc brakes are ordered. Positraction Rear Axle recommended. $458.25 20,302
Z87 1969 Camaro Custom Interior Package including seat trim, molded door panels with built-in armrests, pull-type door opening handles, carpeted lower door panel, glove compartment light, hood insulation. $110.60 39,875
ZJ7 1969 Camaro Ralley wheels with center cap and trim rings. $35.85 48,735
ZJ9 1969 Camaro Auxiliary lighting group. Includes: ashtray, courtesy, glovebox, trunk and underhood lights. Standard interior coupe pricing. $13.70 15,768
ZJ9 1969 Camaro Auxiliary lighting group. Includes: ashtray, courtesy, trunk and underhood lights. Custom interior coupe pricing. $11.10 15,768
ZJ9 1969 Camaro Auxiliary lighting group. Includes: ashtray, glovebox, trunk and underhood lights. Standard interior convertible pricing. $9.50 15,768
ZJ9 1969 Camaro Auxiliary lighting group. Includes: ashtray, trunk and underhood lights. Custom interior convertible pricing. $6.85 15,768
ZK3 1969 Camaro Deluxe seat belts with shoulder harness with bucket seats. $12.15 18,760
ZL2 1969 Camaro Special ducted hood air intake system. $79.00 10,026


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Old 04-05-2012, 01:49 PM   #116
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remember the 90's. Z34's and other cars with the ZXX markings? Z's have been used on a lot of cars also. granted they were all their own designation. but the Z was still there.
I agree, I park My z71 next to a zr2 at work, Maybe people think the ss is top dog because allot of the cars built today with the SS and have a ZXX model also, seem to be less then the ss on the new gens. and they lack the knowledge of the z/28's back when they first came out and what they were built for. The ss silverado is a better truck then my z71 all I got was bigger tires/skid plates and better shocks and cool sticker on the side of the bed. I think alot of the new gen cars with the ss badge is a better model. so that is why I belive people think they way they do now. Chevy does us the ZXX RPO alot and they are not much different then the nonzxx models. Maybe that is why they have not built a new z28 yet, Because all the zxx models since the originals have not been better then a model that had a ss badge. And this day and age the ss would Just sell better to the yonger crowd. I will trade my SS in for A Z28 when they come out with it.

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Old 04-05-2012, 02:03 PM   #117
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Z28 emblems on qrille, front fender and rear panel; special front and rear suspension, rear bumper guards, heavy-duty radiator and temperature-controlled fan, quick ratio steerinq; 15" x 7" wheels with special center caps and trim rings, E70x15 special white lettered blackwall tires, special paint stripes on hood and rear deck. Available only when tachometer gauge or special instrumentation, 4-speed transmission, power front or four-wheel disc brakes are ordered. Positraction Rear Axle recommended. $458.25 20,302

Thats what I mean, I do not think any of the cars today that have a zXX badge that also has a ss badge, (execpt maybe the ZL1) do not have that much more added on to it. The Z28 RPO is one of a kind.

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Old 04-05-2012, 02:25 PM   #118
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My first Camaro was a Z-28... 305 4 barrel, (I got mad at it and sold it after getting beat by a girl in a Fiero GT) so I guess the name isn't my biggest concern, but I find all of this entertaining none-the-less.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:59 PM   #119
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...some of old fogies can recall the very FIRST Z-car...the vaunted '63 Z-11...look that one up...

The '63 Vette Z06 was simply a BIG gas tank option...the Z-11 Impala was "something very special"...

The original '65 Malibu SS 396 was option code Z16.

And, yes, I owned a '68 Z/28 in the spring-to-fall of '69...an early one that said "302" on the front fenders.
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My first Camaro was a Z-28... 305 4 barrel, (I got mad at it and sold it after getting beat by a girl in a Fiero GT) so I guess the name isn't my biggest concern, but I find all of this entertaining none-the-less.

I said it before (many times) and I'll say it again, It's not the name it's what it Stands For!
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I said it before (many times) and I'll say it again, It's not the name it's what it Stands For!

It's all a matter of the type of experience you had with the car. If you had a bad one, that gave you nothing but problems, the moniker could mean something very negative.
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It's all a matter of the type of experience you had with the car. If you had a bad one, that gave you nothing but problems, the moniker could mean something very negative.
Then you'd expect those folks to avoid this Section, like the plague...
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It's all a matter of the type of experience you had with the car. If you had a bad one, that gave you nothing but problems, the moniker could mean something very negative.
I prefer to be optimistic. Negativity breeds like a plague. Don't need it. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. I think the current Camaros have come a long way. Myself I left American made cars for some time due to poor quality, but I'm back. They are proving themselves regularly.
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I prefer to be optimistic. Negativity breeds like a plague. Don't need it. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. I think the current Camaros have come a long way. Myself I left American made cars for some time due to poor quality, but I'm back. They are proving themselves regularly.

I'm not a negative person, just never had a lot of good luck with Fbody cars back then. Not saying I don't like them now, heck I have a third 5th Gen on order, that says something positive in itself. Back in the day, I put more effort into fuller sized cars. I was into GTO, 442, Buick GS, Grand Prix, Monte Carlos and so on. So you see everything is all relative to what you have experienced in the past. Nobody is right or wrong, some just need to have thicker skin and understand not everyone has the same thoughts.

BTW ... I've never strayed from GM in my over 40 years of driving.
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^I laughed out loud on that one!!!
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