First speeding ticket in camaro

[hightower]

Originally Posted by jd10013

a cop makes plenty enough to afford a camaro. maybe not a 2SS with every option available, but unless he's the lone officer from Mayberry county they can afford a 25-30k car.

I know that, but I can't think of what else.....
Beats the hell outta me why he was so pissed. Maybe just a bad day?

[SSBlack]

Originally Posted by hightower

I know that, but I can't think of what else.....
Beats the hell outta me why he was so pissed. Maybe just a bad day?

Every time they stop someone, they know it could be a life or death encounter.

For all he knew, you just murdered someone and weren't going to "be taken alive". It happens.

So, some LEO's are a little jacked up when they make a traffic stop, imo.

[AzItaliaSS]

before we assume? Really?
having a criminal justice major does not qualify diddly for the job or donut comments for the record. Being 19 explains it better for your attitude.I am sure it wont be your first berries and cherries run-in.

Originally Posted by hightower

Well, short and sweet I was cruising at 77 in a 70 zone. Got onto a bypass (same exact size road, 2 lanes, grass median, and then 2 more lanes), and the speed went down to 50, no cars around me, and I didn't notice that I was going too fast. Cop pulled me over, b*tched me out, told me I didn't deserve my camaro and should be driving a Ford Escort, and then handed me a $725 ticket.

I guess he was mad he has a sh*tty job and can't afford a camaro?


I'm 19, so that probably got him pissed in the first place, but all I ever said the entire time was "yes sir" repeatedly. And the fact that I help make payments on the camaro and for the next 5 summers I will work a job MUCH WORSE than his job of sitting in a Crown Vic and eating donuts, simply reinforces the fact that he was wrong in telling me I don't deserve my camaro.


Simple as that.


And before anyone assumes I just hate cops, my major is Criminal Justice.

[Fiveg56]

Originally Posted by hightower

Well, short and sweet I was cruising at 77 in a 70 zone. Got onto a bypass (same exact size road, 2 lanes, grass median, and then 2 more lanes), and the speed went down to 50, no cars around me, and I didn't notice that I was going too fast. Cop pulled me over, b*tched me out, told me I didn't deserve my camaro and should be driving a Ford Escort, and then handed me a $725 ticket.

I guess he was mad he has a sh*tty job and can't afford a camaro?


I'm 19, so that probably got him pissed in the first place, but all I ever said the entire time was "yes sir" repeatedly. And the fact that I help make payments on the camaro and for the next 5 summers I will work a job MUCH WORSE than his job of sitting in a Crown Vic and eating donuts, simply reinforces the fact that he was wrong in telling me I don't deserve my camaro.


Simple as that.


And before anyone assumes I just hate cops, my major is Criminal Justice.

Ignorance. Plain and simple.

[2SSLincolnSS2]

Originally Posted by JohnnyComeLately

That's how the Orange County cops are (Southern Cali). If you tailgate at 80, or cross 5 lanes of highway because you just realized you're missing your exit, you'll get lit up. Doing 70-80 with traffic doing 70-80, and they'll just pass you (usually sneeking up on the idiot who just blazed by at 100mph). I just wish they'd light up the guy doing 65 in a 65 in the fast lane with 5 pissed off people behind him/her.

Yep general consensus is don't stand out , and you will be fine. The dummies do make it easier for the rest of us productive members of society.

[2SSLincolnSS2]

Originally Posted by IsaacRN

THat is a fact. At the moment I don't have a front plate, and was dinged from the front.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSBlack

Every time they stop someone, they know it could be a life or death encounter.

For all he knew, you just murdered someone and weren't going to "be taken alive". It happens.

So, some LEO's are a little jacked up when they make a traffic stop, imo.

Statistically it's (traffic) one of the most dangerous things a cop can do, just below domestic violence calls.

[Matic]

Originally Posted by hightower

Well, short and sweet I was cruising at 77 in a 70 zone. Got onto a bypass (same exact size road, 2 lanes, grass median, and then 2 more lanes), and the speed went down to 50, no cars around me, and I didn't notice that I was going too fast. Cop pulled me over, b*tched me out, told me I didn't deserve my camaro and should be driving a Ford Escort, and then handed me a $725 ticket.

I guess he was mad he has a sh*tty job and can't afford a camaro?


I'm 19, so that probably got him pissed in the first place, but all I ever said the entire time was "yes sir" repeatedly. And the fact that I help make payments on the camaro and for the next 5 summers I will work a job MUCH WORSE than his job of sitting in a Crown Vic and eating donuts, simply reinforces the fact that he was wrong in telling me I don't deserve my camaro.


Simple as that.


And before anyone assumes I just hate cops, my major is Criminal Justice.

You were going 27 over dude. I know it may have been a genuine mistake, but thats a criminal speeding violation in most states. You are fortunate if all you got was a civil violation and not misdemeanor charges. For every person that goes 27 over by accident, there is a knucklehead doing it on purpose that puts other drivers, passengers, and themselves in danger. Thats probably why you got the response that you did, so no need for the personal attacks on a man who is doing his job.

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by jd10013

a cop makes plenty enough to afford a camaro. maybe not a 2SS with every option available, but unless he's the lone officer from Mayberry county they can afford a 25-30k car.

Cops and state troopers in Massachusetts make well into 6 figure salaries, they can afford Porsches.

[Matic]

Most cops make a healthy salary and that is augmented by all the overtime most typically work. You can start out at say around 50k, but are really taking home 75k after you factor in the OT.

[hightower]

Originally Posted by AzItaliaSS

before we assume? Really?
having a criminal justice major does not qualify diddly for the job or donut comments for the record. Being 19 explains it better for your attitude.I am sure it wont be your first berries and cherries run-in.

I say "before you assume" because 75% of the people on this forum DID assume when I originally posted my experience in a thread. I'd give you the link but I can't because it was deleted. Too many people started criticizing officers as a group or criticizing me based on my age, assuming I had something again police. Again, which is why I made the "before you assume" comment. To clarify I don't hate cops or something, that I just have a beef with one officer.

As for the "job and donut" comments, of course I meant nothing by them. I'm sure I was the "spoiled rich kid" or "preppy college douche" when he went back to the police station to tell fellow officers about the camaro he pulled over.

My argument then and what leads me to those statements now was the way the officer acted. I wish I had gotten it on video or something, the officer took his sweet time giving me 2 separate lectures on why I didn't deserve my camaro. The camaro I work and pay for. Now try and tell me that's his job?

And nothing at all against you. I don't blame you for calling me out. Just wanted everyone to know I'm not trying to contest a ticket I deserved. Just the treatment I received.
I was brought up pretty much listening to lectures, heard more than a few from my old man, I just know when I do and don't deserve them. And a complete stranger, cop or no cop, doesn't ever deserve to give me a lecture about how I should live my life and what I should drive.

Originally Posted by Matic

You were going 27 over dude. I know it may have been a genuine mistake, but thats a criminal speeding violation in most states. You are fortunate if all you got was a civil violation and not misdemeanor charges. For every person that goes 27 over by accident, there is a knucklehead doing it on purpose that puts other drivers, passengers, and themselves in danger. Thats probably why you got the response that you did, so no need for the personal attacks on a man who is doing his job.

No worries, I don't disagree with you at all. It was a stupid boneheaded mistake. I've got a freaking HUD right in front of me too, so it's not like I pass it off as nothing. I paid the price.

And the sh*tty part was that I got the treatment that the knucklehead who was blazing around on purpose should have gotten.

I've already had this discussion, so I won't have it again, but the general consensus became that the cop had no right to tell me whether I deserved my car or not. That's just my opinion.

Oh well, whats done is done. Nothing can change now so I won't bother arguing about it. If you want to discuss it further, feel free to PM me. I won't bite, lol

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

Cops and state troopers in Massachusetts make well into 6 figure salaries, they can afford Porsches.

Annnnnndddddd, now I know where I need to work!





Nah, Massachusetts doesn't sound like somewhere I'd want to live actually.

[hightower]

Originally Posted by SSBlack

Every time they stop someone, they know it could be a life or death encounter.

For all he knew, you just murdered someone and weren't going to "be taken alive". It happens.

So, some LEO's are a little jacked up when they make a traffic stop, imo.

Valid point. Stuff like that, drug dealers on the run, etc., has actually happened in my hometown in Morgan County GA. It was even on COPS once, lol!

Probably not a likely car is a 5th gen camaro with 2 white kids sitting in the front who pull over for you on purpose, knowing you were going to pull them over and they decided to make it easier, lol. (when I was driving by I saw him gunning me and then close his door and start his car... I was like "huh?". Looked at my speedo and . Pulled over right then and there, shut off my car, and waited for him, lol )

[mexiken]

Originally Posted by hightower

Valid point. Stuff like that, drug dealers on the run, etc., has actually happened in my hometown in Morgan County GA. It was even on COPS once, lol!

Probably not a likely car is a 5th gen camaro with 2 white kids sitting in the front who pull over for you on purpose, knowing you were going to pull them over and they decided to make it easier, lol. (when I was driving by I saw him gunning me and then close his door and start his car... I was like "huh?". Looked at my speedo and . Pulled over right then and there, shut off my car, and waited for him, lol )

Ja ja ja ja. That was nice of you.

[JohnnyComeLately]

That side by side pull over for impeding sounds like me after a cross country trip. We left St. Petersburg, Florida, and my wife is doing 120mph across most of the US (except parts of Georgia and Louisiana). We switch at the Arizona/California border. I have 1 or 2 tickets so I'm cruising around 5 over, but we hit a stretch where the semi's would pass on the downhill, and then I'd get stuck behind them on the uphill. Long story short, lose my patience, accellerate so the semi won't pass on downhill... CHP in center median. $400 ticket for 15 over.

My favorite though was coming back from Northern California. There was a San Luis Obispo county Sheriff going south on the 5 towards SLO, and I'm pretty sure he was transporting a prisoner. Usually no one sits in the back seat, and the rear passenger's scowl was very apparent. This guy comes blazing up from behind, so I oblige and move over (out of fast lane). He gets right on the Sheriffs bumper and stays there for the whole time there's #2 traffic. When #2 clears, he gets over but then refuses to pass. As #2 traffic approaches, he lane changes (no blinker) and rides the cops butt till #2 clears. This goes on for at least 20 miles and I'm amazed at the Sheriff's restraint. Finally, the Sheriff gets out of the #1, bonehead passes him, Sheriff gets back into #1 and the light show begins. As the two pull off to the shoulder, I couldn't wonder how big of an idiot you'd have to be to NOT see that coming.

In California, keep in mind 20 over is now a "cop's discretion call." If you're a raging a$$, he can write you for reckless driving (suppsed to be automatic for 20 over), can tow your car, take you to jail, and make your life hell. If you're cool, he can cite it for 5,10 or 15 over and you live (possibly) to speed another day. Reckless is a 5 year ticket (not 3 like most) on your record, and an automatic DL suspension for a year. If you do get written up reckless, lawyer up fast. Don't play the, "I hope he doesn't show in court," game because you'll lose badly.

[Stealth6]

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

Cops and state troopers in Massachusetts make well into 6 figure salaries, they can afford Porsches.

Hmmm, and I thought all this time that the revenue from motor vehicle fines went towards the crumbling roads and potholes here in Mass. LoL

[Ucantctchme]

Originally Posted by upflying

With instant-on radar or LIDAR a detector will just alert you to pull over.
Speed of light is faster than a brake application.

Instant on radar is always detected by my detector because I'm never the only car on the road. It seems as though those radar guns are stronger because I get much more notice. The detector will pulse on the off then back on, and so on getting stronger each time. I agree with you on laser though.

[SILVERHAWK]

Originally Posted by SSBlack

SILVERHAWK,

Does LEO ever pull over people who drive below the speed limit in the fast lane, or is that "impeding traffic" thing just a myth?

Not a myth, but depending on the area you live in will affect how much it happens.....like NJ for instance its very well publicized and there are signs posted on most major roads either KEEP RIGHT PASS LEFT or SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT, KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS OR LEFT TURNS. They have finally started to post this on our roads here in DE, not that it seems to help much GRRRR but it is written into one of our statutes and YES I am starting to enforce it more and more the problem in our City is most people will say (truth or not) that they were going to a certain business that is on their left.....then there's nothing you can do. But I wish the Troopers would start enforcing it on the toll roads that we don't have jurisdiction over.

Originally Posted by jd10013

a cop makes plenty enough to afford a camaro. maybe not a 2SS with every option available, but unless he's the lone officer from Mayberry county they can afford a 25-30k car.

MMMMMMM..... depends on how they spend their money and if they have a 2 income family...... I have a 2SS, a 4x4 pickup and a 4x4 Tahoe. just sayin'

[SSBlack]

Originally Posted by hightower

I've already had this discussion, so I won't have it again, but the general consensus became that the cop had no right to tell me whether I deserved my car or not. That's just my opinion.

Oh well, whats done is done. Nothing can change now so I won't bother arguing about it. If you want to discuss it further, feel free to PM me.

Post comments, among other things calling cops broke donut eaters, whine about your "treatment", then say that you're picking up your ball and going home and not going to reply again?

Real mature, dude.

If your attitude that day was anything like it is in this thread, I don't blame the cop for any attitude he MIGHT have given you.

[hightower]

Originally Posted by SSBlack

Post comments, among other things calling cops broke donut eaters, whine about your "treatment", then say that you're picking up your ball and going home and not going to reply again?

Real mature, dude.

If your attitude that day was anything like it is in this thread, I don't blame the cop for any attitude he MIGHT have given you.

Guess you missed everything I said. My attitude was quite the opposite that day. All I said to the officer the entire time he lectured me was "yes sir" "I understand" and "I'm sorry sir". He really couldn't have gotten a better person to deal with, and yet he still went after me like a bat outta hell. I would LOVE to see you or any other person take that kind of treatment from a law enforcement official. I guarantee you'd change your opinion had you heard every word he spoke to me.


Like it or not, I'm not going to be all Jolly Roger about it after the fact. No, I never would have back talked to an officer, and I never will, that's something I wouldn't do. But I retain my right to feel rotten about my experience. As any sensible person would.

People suggested I file a report on him at the police station, or talk to his supervisor. Did I do that? No. I felt like doing that might make him lose his job, and I don't want to do that either. So I'd rather sit here and have my rotten opinion of one police officer rather than complain about cops as a whole, or try to get that cop fired. Would you prefer I do something else???


I have no issue with maturity, so don't bring that into it. Many of the people I talked to said they would have exploded before they took that treatment. Is that your definition of mature?
I personally think it's more mature to treat an officer with courtesy and kindness. That's exactly what I did, and regardless of the fact that it had no affect on the officer, it doesn't change how "mature" I am.

This is EXACTLY why I acted like I "wanted to pack up my ball and go home", because I didn't want to get into this stupid discussion all over again. As if I need to prove myself or something. Which is why I posted: "Oh well, whats done is done. Nothing can change now so I won't bother arguing about it. If you want to discuss it further, feel free to PM me. I won't bite, lol"

So feel free to PM me. I have sour feelings on the matter and how it went down. Is that wrong of me?

I never argued my ticket and whether I deserved it. Just the treatment I got.

[Sw0rdf1sh]

Originally Posted by ss409cid

I sweat every time I get in the SS. I cant drive 55...

It's hard for me just getting in the old LT2 V6, I'm so glad I didn't get the SS or I would really be in trouble.

(BTW Love the Larry's Avatar! It's where I buy all my tires and rims!)


Here in Wilmington area we actually have an unmarked dark blue Camaro that does a lot of radar work so keep your eye out. The funny thing is a lot of times people mistake my car for the WPD one so you will see them slow down from time to time.

[Hendu]

Originally Posted by mlee

Fact is radar detector is not full proof but will greatly reduce your exposure and also help keep your attention on proper speed when they do go off.

So will keeping your foot off the gas. I've had 2 tickets for 84 in a 55, luckily at the time they were only 160 bucks. That was around the time I was 19. I learned after the second one that it's better to just watch your speed and keep it under control. I haven't had a problem since (other than my front plate missing).

I've been pulled over a few times for being 5-6 over, but I am pretty sure those were stops to check on things. They were on roads that lots of high school students drove on. The cops were always cool and we ended up joking around quite a bit by the end of the stop.

[JamesNoBrakes]

IF you're going to speed, you do it in places where there's no possibility you'll get pulled over, if you don't have these kinds of places, you probably shouldn't be going more than 5 over. This also makes a radar detector kind of useless, but I tend to see that police will set up traps and such in areas where there are a lot of accidents and where people are endangered by speeding. It's not rocket science to figure this out. Driving 20-25 over because "everyone else is" won't get you very far when explaining to an officer (and yes, there might be some times when it's dangerous to go far below what traffic is, but most people just use this overall as an excuse to go fast, even if just a smidge faster than the other traffic). Coasting from 5+over when the speed limit drops significantly won't get you very far with an officer, you realize in these situations you are the EXACT type of person that they are targeting right? Rolling through stop-signs and lights won't get you very far with an officer, even if no one is around. Lots of people think they are special. With a little bit of common sense you can drive a high performance car, even HAVE FUN, and not get tickets or have problems. It's been about 10 years for me, and the ironic part is that I've never gotten ANY tickets with my high performance cars (or even radar detectors), just about 3 or so before when I had my first cars. I think a lot of people don't really think about the reality of where they live, the terrain, the population density, the enforcement, etc. These are the things that the police think about though.

[SSBlack]

Hightower, if you did report the cop, how would that go?

"I want to report one of your officers. He didn't smile enough. He was grouchy. He didn't compliment my fancy car. He had the NERVE to lecture ME, when all I was doing was speeding. He definitely wasn't friendly and he didn't even offer me a donut!"


Good luck with that.

[Secret Squirrel]

Originally Posted by hightower

Guess you missed everything I said. My attitude was quite the opposite that day. All I said to the officer the entire time he lectured me was "yes sir" "I understand" and "I'm sorry sir". He really couldn't have gotten a better person to deal with, and yet he still went after me like a bat outta hell. I would LOVE to see you or any other person take that kind of treatment from a law enforcement official. I guarantee you'd change your opinion had you heard every word he spoke to me.


Like it or not, I'm not going to be all Jolly Roger about it after the fact. No, I never would have back talked to an officer, and I never will, that's something I wouldn't do. But I retain my right to feel rotten about my experience. As any sensible person would.

People suggested I file a report on him at the police station, or talk to his supervisor. Did I do that? No. I felt like doing that might make him lose his job, and I don't want to do that either. So I'd rather sit here and have my rotten opinion of one police officer rather than complain about cops as a whole, or try to get that cop fired. Would you prefer I do something else???


I have no issue with maturity, so don't bring that into it. Many of the people I talked to said they would have exploded before they took that treatment. Is that your definition of mature?
I personally think it's more mature to treat an officer with courtesy and kindness. That's exactly what I did, and regardless of the fact that it had no affect on the officer, it doesn't change how "mature" I am.

This is EXACTLY why I acted like I "wanted to pack up my ball and go home", because I didn't want to get into this stupid discussion all over again. As if I need to prove myself or something. Which is why I posted: "Oh well, whats done is done. Nothing can change now so I won't bother arguing about it. If you want to discuss it further, feel free to PM me. I won't bite, lol"

So feel free to PM me. I have sour feelings on the matter and how it went down. Is that wrong of me?

I never argued my ticket and whether I deserved it. Just the treatment I got.

You have already said you aren't defending your speeding, or saying you didn't deserve it, so you are owning your mistake and that is all you can do at this point. Learn from it and move forward. If people want to bash and hate...let em. I think the attitude you got probably not only had to do with the fact that you were going as fast as you were, but that you are as young as you are. It happens, and there are those cops out there who will give it to you a little harder if you're young, just to teach you a life lesson.
I had a similar experience going through Az when I was 19...many,moons ago. I was driving my 98 S-10 4 banger from my latest training command to my first duty station, and I got pulled over for going 80 in a 75. Yes, you read that right...5 miles over the limit. The cop walked up with his hand on his gun, and asked for my info. I had been told (being new to the Navy) that when you get pulled over, you also show your military ID (for what I don't know), but that's what I did. This guy literally threw it back at my face like a frisbee, and told me to "get my ass out of the truck". I'm completely dumb founded at this point, so I just say "yes sir" and do what I'm told. We walk to his car, and he tells me "I am going to give you one chance to tell me why I shouldn't drag your ass to jail". Again, dumb founded (I thought I was being punk'd or something), I said "Um, Sir, because I was going 5 over the limit". Maybe not the best response but it was all I could think of at the time. He wrote me a $367 ticket, and sent me on my way, scared out of my mind. Lesson learned...other than 80mph was considered "criminal speeding" in Az at the time, was that some people are just douche bags. He could have handled it SO much better, and taught me a REAL life lesson. Instead, he made a lasting impression as one of the biggest pricks I've ever met. My father was a cop, my step father was a cop, a have more close friends than I can count that are LEO's, and I have a great respect for all of them and the job that they do. When it comes down to it, some people just take pleasure in being a holes. Anyone that argues that is living in a fantasy land. Embrace the suck, my friend. Move forward and drive careful.

[xXSilencerXx]

Originally Posted by hightower

I know that, but I can't think of what else.....
Beats the hell outta me why he was so pissed. Maybe just a bad day?

He chewed you out because 27 mph is a ridiculous amount to be over the limit, even if it was a mistake. Your age probably played into it as well. I got pulled over for weaving and not signaling my lane changes in traffic doing 10 under the limit. I was 16 at the time and that deputy chewed my ass out for a good 10 minutes and then called my parents and they chewed me out some more when I got home. The guy was trying to make a point and make an impression of the danger of doing stupid shit on the road, and it worked. He was nice enough to not give me a ticket and since then in the last 6 years I've only been pulled over once. Still no tickets.

All that said, there are just people who are generally pricks in all professions.

Originally Posted by jd10013

In VA anything 20mph and over is reckless, as is going over 80mph. and with speed limits on some of the interstates 70 mph, you gota be careful here.

Not anymore, it's 11 mph over now.

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

IF you're going to speed, you do it in places where there's no possibility you'll get pulled over, if you don't have these kinds of places, you probably shouldn't be going more than 5 over. This also makes a radar detector kind of useless, but I tend to see that police will set up traps and such in areas where there are a lot of accidents and where people are endangered by speeding. It's not rocket science to figure this out. Driving 20-25 over because "everyone else is" won't get you very far when explaining to an officer (and yes, there might be some times when it's dangerous to go far below what traffic is, but most people just use this overall as an excuse to go fast, even if just a smidge faster than the other traffic). Coasting from 5+over when the speed limit drops significantly won't get you very far with an officer, you realize in these situations you are the EXACT type of person that they are targeting right? Rolling through stop-signs and lights won't get you very far with an officer, even if no one is around. Lots of people think they are special. With a little bit of common sense you can drive a high performance car, even HAVE FUN, and not get tickets or have problems. It's been about 10 years for me, and the ironic part is that I've never gotten ANY tickets with my high performance cars (or even radar detectors), just about 3 or so before when I had my first cars. I think a lot of people don't really think about the reality of where they live, the terrain, the population density, the enforcement, etc. These are the things that the police think about though.

very well said. I've made it eleven or twelve years without a ticket, and it isn't because I always drive the speed limit, or that I have a radar detector, which is illegal in VA anyways. you just have to know how when, and where you can. there's a time and a place for everything.