First speeding ticket in camaro

[et1992]

Just take the Judge for a ride

[yzrider58]

Hightower you got a ticket for going 7 over and said all the "right" things during the stop. Some cops have a power trip and 7 over isn't worth a ticket. Nothing you could have done and you got the shaft. Everyone slamming him should read the thread of what he said during the stop. Once again, he got shafted for being young.

Anyone on here would complain about getting a ticket for only going 7 over.

[Thyshallsmite]

76 in a 45 >< i got off with a warning though

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by xXSilencerXx

Not anymore, it's 11 mph over now.

no, it's still 20 unless the speed limit is 65 and they get you for the over 80 mph part.

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by yzrider58

Hightower you got a ticket for going 7 over and said all the "right" things during the stop. Some cops have a power trip and 7 over isn't worth a ticket. Nothing you could have done and you got the shaft. Everyone slamming him should read the thread of what he said during the stop. Once again, he got shafted for being young.

Anyone on here would complain about getting a ticket for only going 7 over.

got one for going 3 mph over once. in fact, I believe it was the last one I got. and yes, it infuriated me to no end.

[Stealth6]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

(Here's a hint for my Camaro family....we are always going to tell you why, its required actually, so when an officer starts by asking for your information, don't answer his request with a question. Puts things in the wrong frame of mind....unfortunately the officer is trained to be in charge of the stop. Some of us like to know who we are talking to before we continue with the investigation/stop.)

So, let's say you're "speeding" outside Delaware and get pulled over.... do you show your badge and ID and "walk/professional courtesy''??? I'm sure you didn't get your SS to drive at or below the speed limit... But in case you did... that would be really remarkable.

[steveo9043]

this was not in my camaro, however a good story some of you might get a kick out of.

i was driving down a main road by my house at 230 in the morning. I came up behind an evo in the center lane swerving doing 10 under.

When the evo swerved right I went left and passed him (or tried to). He got on the gas to not let me pass him so I kept in it. Next thing I know the evo locks up his brakes and hits a side street.

I'm slowing down as i watch him hit the side street. Few hundred yards ahead was a cop sitting in a restaurant parking lot. (evo must of had a radar detector)

Pulled myself over when i saw the cop and he came up to me laughing and even defended me in court when the state attorney wanted to add on reckless driving.

$375 ticket for 81 in a 45.

[hightower]

Originally Posted by SSBlack

Hightower, if you did report the cop, how would that go?

"I want to report one of your officers. He didn't smile enough. He was grouchy. He didn't compliment my fancy car. He had the NERVE to lecture ME, when all I was doing was speeding. He definitely wasn't friendly and he didn't even offer me a donut!"
Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel

You have already said you aren't defending your speeding, or saying you didn't deserve it, so you are owning your mistake and that is all you can do at this point. Learn from it and move forward. If people want to bash and hate...let em. I think the attitude you got probably not only had to do with the fact that you were going as fast as you were, but that you are as young as you are. It happens, and there are those cops out there who will give it to you a little harder if you're young, just to teach you a life lesson.
I had a similar experience going through Az when I was 19...many,moons ago. I was driving my 98 S-10 4 banger from my latest training command to my first duty station, and I got pulled over for going 80 in a 75. Yes, you read that right...5 miles over the limit. The cop walked up with his hand on his gun, and asked for my info. I had been told (being new to the Navy) that when you get pulled over, you also show your military ID (for what I don't know), but that's what I did. This guy literally threw it back at my face like a frisbee, and told me to "get my ass out of the truck". I'm completely dumb founded at this point, so I just say "yes sir" and do what I'm told. We walk to his car, and he tells me "I am going to give you one chance to tell me why I shouldn't drag your ass to jail". Again, dumb founded (I thought I was being punk'd or something), I said "Um, Sir, because I was going 5 over the limit". Maybe not the best response but it was all I could think of at the time. He wrote me a $367 ticket, and sent me on my way, scared out of my mind. Lesson learned...other than 80mph was considered "criminal speeding" in Az at the time, was that some people are just douche bags. He could have handled it SO much better, and taught me a REAL life lesson. Instead, he made a lasting impression as one of the biggest pricks I've ever met. My father was a cop, my step father was a cop, a have more close friends than I can count that are LEO's, and I have a great respect for all of them and the job that they do. When it comes down to it, some people just take pleasure in being a holes. Anyone that argues that is living in a fantasy land. Embrace the suck, my friend. Move forward and drive careful.

Wow, sounds like you certainly got it a lot worse than me. That's crazy!

I guess that was back in the day when comes had the power to do that and not get in trouble for it. Really puts things in perspective.

Originally Posted by xXSilencerXx

He chewed you out because 27 mph is a ridiculous amount to be over the limit, even if it was a mistake. Your age probably played into it as well. I got pulled over for weaving and not signaling my lane changes in traffic doing 10 under the limit. I was 16 at the time and that deputy chewed my ass out for a good 10 minutes and then called my parents and they chewed me out some more when I got home. The guy was trying to make a point and make an impression of the danger of doing stupid shit on the road, and it worked. He was nice enough to not give me a ticket and since then in the last 6 years I've only been pulled over once. Still no tickets.

All that said, there are just people who are generally pricks in all professions.

You're right, there's always one rotten apple in the bunch. One or more... :(

Originally Posted by Thyshallsmite

76 in a 45 >< i got off with a warning though

Lucky you! lol

Originally Posted by jd10013

got one for going 3 mph over once. in fact, I believe it was the last one I got. and yes, it infuriated me to no end.

I can only imagine, haha! How much did it cost you?

[jd10013]

it wasn't much, probably less than $100. it was actually kind of funny. It was a Sunday morning, no traffic and I was driving down a back road with my kids going to the in-laws for a visit going about 48 in a 45. I saw the cop, passed him, and thought nothing of it. then I saw the lights in my rear view and pulled over. he asked if I knew why he pulled me over and I told him I honestly didn't know why. he then told me he clocked me going 48MPH. I just looked at him dumbfounded and didn't say anything. he then informed me that it was a 45 mph zone and then proceeded with the license, and registration thing. he then went back to his car and wrote the ticket. the worst part about it was, I'd had gotten another ticket about 2 years prior to that. In VA, if you get 2 moving violations between renewals of you license you have to retake the 2 driving tests, one on signs and one for general knowledge. and those tests aren't easy. when you go to renew, they take your license and if fail the test you no longer have a license. I thought about fighting the ticket, but didn't want to waste a day in court. at the time, I didn't know about the test thing or I probably would have.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Hendu

So will keeping your foot off the gas. I've had 2 tickets for 84 in a 55, luckily at the time they were only 160 bucks. That was around the time I was 19. I learned after the second one that it's better to just watch your speed and keep it under control. I haven't had a problem since (other than my front plate missing).

I've been pulled over a few times for being 5-6 over, but I am pretty sure those were stops to check on things. They were on roads that lots of high school students drove on. The cops were always cool and we ended up joking around quite a bit by the end of the stop.

WoW... aren't we Mr perfect... no radar detector needed for you sir..

I'll keep mine for those times when I'm not paying attention and go 5 or 6 over... no sense wasting the officers time on me..

[Comrando]

Originally Posted by jd10013

it wasn't much, probably less than $100. it was actually kind of funny. It was a Sunday morning, no traffic and I was driving down a back road with my kids going to the in-laws for a visit going about 48 in a 45. I saw the cop, passed him, and thought nothing of it. then I saw the lights in my rear view and pulled over. he asked if I knew why he pulled me over and I told him I honestly didn't know why. he then told me he clocked me going 48MPH. I just looked at him dumbfounded and didn't say anything. he then informed me that it was a 45 mph zone and then proceeded with the license, and registration thing. he then went back to his car and wrote the ticket. the worst part about it was, I'd had gotten another ticket about 2 years prior to that. In VA, if you get 2 moving violations between renewals of you license you have to retake the 2 driving tests, one on signs and one for general knowledge. and those tests aren't easy. when you go to renew, they take your license and if fail the test you no longer have a license. I thought about fighting the ticket, but didn't want to waste a day in court. at the time, I didn't know about the test thing or I probably would have.

I was in court once and the first thing the judge said was "Anybody with a ticket for 10mph or less see the clerk. You are dismissed."

So driving tests or 10 minutes in court?

So it would have been worth it. The LEO knows that it will cost you to go to court. The judge feels that is enough fine for that crime.

[cmb74656]

Originally Posted by The SwiftChancelor

I don't get bothered by the police. I figure they really target older vehicles around were I live. I mean you can't really be a crackhead and have one of these cars, or can you?

Not without jacking it up on 28s.

[SILVERHAWK]

Originally Posted by Stealth6

So, let's say you're "speeding" outside Delaware and get pulled over.... do you show your badge and ID and "walk/professional courtesy''??? I'm sure you didn't get your SS to drive at or below the speed limit... But in case you did... that would be really remarkable.

I will let you know if and when I ever get pulled over at least in the camaro... lol ...proves that these cars are not cop magnets like everyone thinks.....
I got pulled over once out of state in the 10 yrs I have been on the job...it was 1 am on Long Island... told the officer that I was just so happy to be entering a road with no one else on it while on this "God forsaken Island", I couldn't help myself. (I'm sure anyone one here from Long Island will attest to how bad traffic is out there) The officer chuckled, handed me back my license/reg and told me to have a safe trip. He was two cars behind me on the entrance ramp and when I slowed down after getting scolded by the wife it was too late he was behind me lighting me up.

I won't lay claim to being an angel....but I drive at a speed under what I enforce. The OP's ticket in this case is a "little weak" according to my standards, and at least a few of the magistrates here don't want to see anything less than 10 over....thats why in general I am a 20 over guy unless its in a 25 zone (then its 15) ..at least when issuing tickets.

If I do have contact with someone from another agency, by policy I am supposed to identify myself if for nothing else because I have a certain tool of my trade on my person at all times.
Does professional courtesy happen? Yes Have I given professional courtesy? Yes Do I demand it? No
and there are agencies/states around here that don't give it out.....so be it. There are plenty of other professions that have perks too... its a part of life. Guess it would be different if every time an officer pulled someone over for a violation they had to issue the violator a ticket, but since we have discretion, I give out plenty of warnings, so yeah some happen to be other cops.

I can guarantee that getting caught for as fast as these cars will go....will result in no professional courtesy....losing my job, my license, and ending up on the front page of the local paper doesn't interest me.

[toesuf94]

I was ticket free for the first 16 years of my driving life. Then BANG - two in two months. Both for 75+ in a 55 mph zone. Both times the LEOS were very cool and only wrote me for 10 over. The second one was the funnier of the two: I had cut my middle finger OFF the day before, and it had been reattached successfully and I had just left the doc's office with a fresh bandage the size of a Coke bottle on my middle finger. I was driving dad's BMW 740 and I got into it hard...very hard. Was at 110 then coasted it off all the way up the interstate - crossed the radar beams at 78 in a 55. OOPS. Cop was standing in the road flagging me down. Pulled over, was polite...he asked me about the bandage and I asked "what? THIS!" And gave him the finger - right up to his nose - I honestly did not mean to flip him off, just kind of showed him my hand. He laughed and asked if I meant to do that and how he should take that...I said that he could take it any way he wanted if he was giving me the ticket. He laughed again...then wrote me for 9 over. Nice guy. I did not deserve the lower number on that ticket at all.

[Matic]

Originally Posted by yzrider58

Hightower you got a ticket for going 7 over and said all the "right" things during the stop. Some cops have a power trip and 7 over isn't worth a ticket. Nothing you could have done and you got the shaft. Everyone slamming him should read the thread of what he said during the stop. Once again, he got shafted for being young.

Anyone on here would complain about getting a ticket for only going 7 over.

77-50= 7? :(

[Hendu]

Originally Posted by mlee

WoW... aren't we Mr perfect... no radar detector needed for you sir..

I'll keep mine for those times when I'm not paying attention and go 5 or 6 over... no sense wasting the officers time on me..

Just saying - a radar detector won't get you out of tickets, being careful with your speed will.

A radar detector makes you just as safe as a condom does, sometimes you won't know it fails until it's too late.

[dholz47]

So far have my '10 SS/RS Red for 5 months and haven't been pulled over once. A long time ago, had a red Civic and got pulled over 6 times in a year....... really! No change in driving and back in a red car. Fingers crossed!

[JohnnyComeLately]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

If I do have contact with someone from another agency, by policy I am supposed to identify myself if for nothing else because I have a certain tool of my trade on my person at all times.
Does professional courtesy happen? Yes Have I given professional courtesy? Yes Do I demand it? No
and there are agencies/states around here that don't give it out.....so be it. There are plenty of other professions that have perks too... its a part of life. Guess it would be different if every time an officer pulled someone over for a violation they had to issue the violator a ticket, but since we have discretion, I give out plenty of warnings, so yeah some happen to be other cops.

I can guarantee that getting caught for as fast as these cars will go....will result in no professional courtesy....losing my job, my license, and ending up on the front page of the local paper doesn't interest me.

A friend of my wife's dad was a Tulsa Police Dept seargant. He was telling me how the highway patrol in Kansas would write them up for 1 over (56 in a 55 back then, as we were still at the 55 nation wide limit). They especially disliked how they treated them. I won't exactly quote it right but he said, "The Kansas HP said, 'why do you come up into my area and speed? I don't come down and rob your banks.' I replied, 'Speeding is hardly an armed felony.' " I had to laugh when he told me this story, as I already disliked them a great deal. OHP could be jerks but they were fair.

[SILVERHAWK]

Originally Posted by JohnnyComeLately

A friend of my wife's dad was a Tulsa Police Dept seargant. He was telling me how the highway patrol in Kansas would write them up for 1 over (56 in a 55 back then, as we were still at the 55 nation wide limit). They especially disliked how they treated them. I won't exactly quote it right but he said, "The Kansas HP said, 'why do you come up into my area and speed? I don't come down and rob your banks.' I replied, 'Speeding is hardly an armed felony.' " I had to laugh when he told me this story, as I already disliked them a great deal. OHP could be jerks but they were fair.

Yeah, that would get thrown right the hell out of court here and it would be all out WAR!!... I would bet the Attorney General's office would also send a memo to the dept about citing that low.
If I am not mistaken it can be argued that nothing under 5 over should be written due to margin of error between speedometers that are +/- 3 mph and the radar units that are +/- 2 mph..(LIDAR is +/- 1 mph). I can sneeze and do 5 over by accident. 1 over is absolutely retarded and honestly I would laugh in their face for writing me that ticket.

[JohnnyComeLately]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

Yeah, that would get thrown right the hell out of court here and it would be all out WAR!!... I would bet the Attorney General's office would also send a memo to the dept about citing that low.
If I am not mistaken it can be argued that nothing under 5 over should be written due to margin of error between speedometers that are +/- 3 mph and the radar units that are +/- 2 mph..(LIDAR is +/- 1 mph). I can sneeze and do 5 over by accident. 1 over is absolutely retarded and honestly I would laugh in their face for writing me that ticket.

You can likely get it thrown, but that entails another drive up from Oklahoma to Kansas to appear.

I haven't lived in the Mid-West since around '98 (left the Air Force in '98, and left home, Tulsa, for the AF in '90), but it is, or was, very common in the South and Mid-West to get pulled over for 1-5 mph over. You can claim the error on the speedo, but when the officer produces the certification that the radar mechanism is NOT in error, it doesn't do much for you. "Ignorance doesn't excuse" type of response follows. However, unlike here in San Diego, they would be extremely likely to drop it to a non-moving violation. I have a few "bad equipment" tickets from my teenage years. Again, though, this entails a trip to the court, which is typically when you are wanting to be at work to earn wages, and no one likes to burn a vacation day for court.

[SILVERHAWK]

Originally Posted by JohnnyComeLately

You can likely get it thrown, but that entails another drive up from Oklahoma to Kansas to appear.

I haven't lived in the Mid-West since around '98 (left the Air Force in '98, and left home, Tulsa, for the AF in '90), but it is, or was, very common in the South and Mid-West to get pulled over for 1-5 mph over. You can claim the error on the speedo, but when the officer produces the certification that the radar mechanism is NOT in error, it doesn't do much for you. "Ignorance doesn't excuse" type of response follows. However, unlike here in San Diego, they would be extremely likely to drop it to a non-moving violation. I have a few "bad equipment" tickets from my teenage years. Again, though, this entails a trip to the court, which is typically when you are wanting to be at work to earn wages, and no one likes to burn a vacation day for court.

totally understand what you are saying especially about losing time off from work to go to court. Here going to court at least for the initial appearance at a magistrate is a little more forgiving. The one in my county is open 24/7 and usually if you call first, they will let you appear at a time earlier then you are supposed to unless its a trial date. Plus my State is a hell of alot smaller especially at high tide.... lol.
The one point I really wanted to hit on is about the certification of the radar unit.....if you examine the document there will be a margin of error on it that has been held up by case law as acceptable to be certified ("nothing is perfect")...on the older K55 radar it was +/- 2 mph on my LIDAR certs it is +/- 1. I'm sure somewhere on google there is documentation on the margin of error for speedometers... of course with these newer cars or at least with my CVC if it senses that the speedometer is off by more than 2 mph it will set off the CEL. I know it seems to be a pain to do, but I would argue that its a valid point (reasonable doubt) for that low over the limit. NOW if you are doing a 100 then obviously not lol. There's no way I could ever possibly expect someone to hold their speed exactly on the speed limit no matter what it is especially those of us who don't own a vehicle with a digital speedometer, thats why I think citing someone for that low over the limit is just ridiculous. Hell, around here if I pulled for 10 over I could pull over half the highway at a time....on multi lane roads here in the City they pass me in my police car at 10 over and don't think anything of it, at least until I turn on my lights ha ha.

[JohnnyComeLately]

Unfortunately, in Vista courthouse, a county in Northern San Diego, the judge ignores law, precedence, as well as even CHP bulletins. CHP bulletins are unique in California versus other states' HP, as although they're not legislation or law by definition, legislators and judges have referred to them as a cited reference for a ruling. The specific example would be helmet laws back a decade or two ago. Originally a ticket for "no helmet" while riding a 2 wheeled vehicle was allowed to be a "fix it" ticket. Funny but true. CHP put out something along the lines it was not a fix it ticket and courts followed.

I know a few people won't believe this story, but there's a 2-3 officers in Vista court that will vouch I crossed my officer for a solid 3+ hours in court for my last ticket. The judge had to recess twice for breaks and to get a few other cases completed, but I had the officer admit to:
- Never read the manual for the radar unit
- Was not familiar with the limitations or intended use as stated by the manufacturer
- His total training consisted of a fellow officer reading PPT slides to him
- Could not name a single warning or manufacturer stated caution
- Didn't know how to differentiate the vehicle being lasered from a vehicle in an adjacent lane
- Modification of the gun from manufacture (when I walked from the parking lot to the courthouse, I noticed his gun, unlike any other motorcops, had a healthy amount of duct tape).\
- and a litany of other things.

As I think I mentioned in this thread, I'd already spent hours in court just listening. I knew I'd be found guilty even if Jesus appeared and vouched the officer made a mistake. However, I made them work a bit harder for my $350 for the ticket, since it pissed me off I knew it was due to officer error. I was in the fast lane coming over a ridge everyone in Oceanside knows is a speed trap (Westbound state highway 76, just east of the airport.. just before the limit goes from 55 to 65). Car in the #1 lane behind behind me, changes to the #2 lane, passes and comes over the ridge before me. Officer is on the right side, and closer to #2, and about 300-400 yards up the road. I brought up points like, "at that distance, do you know the width of the beam? How precise you have to aim due to closing angles?".. etc etc.. Hell, he didn't even know if his gun was a single or triple pulse laser, or that a laser can get a first reflection from a windshield and second from front plate (throwing off the speed calculation).

Long story short, I did Google the manual and even prepared three pages of technical questions to show the officer likely made a mistake, and admitted as much in court. The cert they showed, from what I recall, did show a margin and that's why they round down 1-2 mph from what's indicated to what's cited. Didn't matter, guilty... On a related note, the officers state some things that sound very legalise, boilerplate, when it comes to the tesimony regarding the certification of their laser gun. That's probably the most nailed down part of the officers' testimony in Vista county (at least).

Funny thing is I haven't seen them do a speed trap near my house in quite some time...

[jmaynard]

Originally Posted by alaskacamaro

Just to give some LEO advice here, radar units will only give you a warning that we have pinged you and already have you locked. 1/3 of my stops are with people that have a radar units and they get upset because they think its going to give some kind of "cop ahead" warning. Best advice is to save your money and just keep an eye on your speed, advice I need to heed myself in my new beast.

Oh come on. You know those scare tactics have been debunked. A radar detector, any one worth it's weight, will notify the driver well ahead of time of a radar signal long before it 'locks' onto the car. Unless you have somehow developed a radar that sends out a straight beam signal (laser) and have the ability to control the drop of the signal (not possible) at a specified distance your radar will be picked up long before you can see the vehicle approaching. NOrmally what I get is a hit or two from your radar beam hitting some sort of hard object along side the road. This can be signs, bridges, I love bridges, semi's, etc. Unless you are on a long, straight road lined with shrubs (they disperse radar signals) and there are no other cars on the road your raqdar wont beat my detector.

Now, laser is another story. LOoking to install the device to take care of that.

So, I will pose this question and perhaps others in law enforcement can chime in. What are you really trying to do out there on the road, catch speeders or make the roads safer? I would hope the later. Sometimes an extra 10 over is not an unsafe speed. Sometimes 5 under is 'speeding'. Most officers I know understand this.