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Old 08-11-2006, 05:36 AM   #1
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Some GM dealers have already begun auctioning the right to purchase the first 2009 Chevrolet Camaros on eBay. Currently, 'Buy It Now' prices sit between $20,000 and $25,000 (the amount the customer agrees to pay on top of the car's MSRP!!).

Back in May, some dealers began taking $1,000 deposits for the new Camaro. But, GM pressured the dealers to remove ads for down-payments, because production for the car had not yet been approved. However, following yesterday's official announcement that GM will build the Camaro, it seems the dealers are right back at it again.
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Old 09-19-2006, 05:28 PM   #2
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As soon as we get allocations on the camaro, I will let you all know. I work at a dealership by seattle. By the way, since the camaro is getting the LS-2 6.0L engine, how soon do you think the corvette will bump up to the Z07? The Shelby Cobra already has 550hp, the LS7 (7.0L) only has 505hp? Any comments on that?
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Old 09-19-2006, 05:44 PM   #3
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:58 PM   #4
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As reported in Motor Trend, the folks at Chevrolet are talking about a Corvette Sting Ray with the LS9 blown engine reportedly putting out 690HP. They're looking at a Ford GT killer, for a lot less money. By the way in a Car and Driver article about the Z06, they speculated that with a normal loss of 25% from the transmission, a 505 BHp Z06, the true engine HP is approx. 530.
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MT reported the loss of somewhere between 12-15% on the Lingenfelter. 25% sounds awfully high for any vehicle, especially a sports car. Usually magazines report crank hp not wheel figures. (or so it seems)
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Old 09-20-2006, 01:32 AM   #6
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As soon as we get allocations on the camaro, I will let you all know. I work at a dealership by seattle. By the way, since the camaro is getting the LS-2 6.0L engine, how soon do you think the corvette will bump up to the Z07? The Shelby Cobra already has 550hp, the LS7 (7.0L) only has 505hp? Any comments on that?
Please let us know how the allocations work! As far as the Camaro getting the LS2, it's too early to tell if that will be THE engine. Chevy has numerous engines to put in there right now and will be coming out with even better engines over the next couple of years. What is the Z07? The Z06?...with the LS7 505hp engine? Chevy is already taking care of that by making the Blue Devil supercharged LS7...600hp. Same vette w/ upped motor.
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that car will be soooooo sick!
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Old 09-20-2006, 08:39 AM   #8
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I'm going to take a ride to my dealer where I ordered the SS and see what information he has regarding the new Camaro.

As for the upcoming engines, I'm under the impression that by the time the car reaches production, there will be a different engie other than the LS2 for the Camaro.

As for the Shelby Cobra. In a recent comparison between the Shelby and a Corvette C6, the C6 was fractionaly quicker in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. A C6 ZO6 would widen those times against a Shelby.
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Moose, anything new come up from your dealer? And for the engines, I agree that GM will have a new Ford killer ready to go. I can't wait to see what they offer up!
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As for the Shelby Cobra. In a recent comparison between the Shelby and a Corvette C6, the C6 was fractionaly quicker in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. A C6 ZO6 would widen those times against a Shelby.
I had an 05 c6 vette and it was definitly faster than the new shelby gt>
The shelby weigh's almost 4000 pounds and my c6 vette only 3100 pounds ,even though the shelby has 505 hrp it has a lot to carry, not only that production wise the shelby does not have the take off power compared to my 05 vette (by the way the reason i no longer have the vette is because I was hit in the rear by a drunk 19 yr old kid while sitting at a red light and he did 28000 dollars worth of damage to it after only having it 2 months)
I would like to see the real race in the quarter mile between stock to stock cars...
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Old 09-21-2006, 07:02 AM   #11
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Moose, anything new come up from your dealer?
I didn't get to make it there yet, but hopefully I'll be there by Saturday at the latest. If I find out anything I'll be sure to post it right away.
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are you guys talking about the shelby gt 500 or the shelby cobra which isnt even a production car ?
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Old 09-21-2006, 07:13 AM   #13
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are you guys talking about the shelby gt 500 or the shelby cobra which isnt even a production car ?
Shelby GT 500.
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We went ahead and stopped by the dealer today. As far as any new information, they said, "Well, the concept was unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show and GM announced it's plans to build it". At that point, I was hesitant to ask if there was anything new. Of course, they had no idea. I don't blame them. I gave them a little history about my purchasing 4 cars from them. They said they would do what it takes to keep me a life long customer and make sure I get my Camaro from them.

They speculated an outcome of approx 70% V6's and the rest Z28's and SS's. They continued to say that since Ford has an engine that currently will outdo the LS2, GM must offer up something to top it. We already guessed that as well. The kicker is that dealers have allocations (which was mentioned by DAVE) which they must live with. If they get 25 V6's, 5 Z-28's, and 2 SS's, you can bet that an SS will be on the showroom floor. Ancira said they only get an allocation of 2 Z06's per year. He continued to say that this is the reason Ford will have a GT500 sitting on their showroom floor for months at chingos of dollars above sticker. He also expressed his unhappiness with dealers who pull the 20K above sticker price. Not much more was said except that they seriously hope to be able to sell me what I want at a good price. He ended it by saying IT ALL DEPENDS ON ALLOCATION!
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Old 09-22-2006, 07:07 AM   #15
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Well, I've talked to my buddy at the dealershio where I ordered the SS.

Not a lot of info. yet. He confirmed a V6 and V8, with a 'vert to follow, as well as "rumors" of a possible 'ZL1' type in the future.
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dont even bother going to the dealerships yet. we know more than most of them do anyways. and i read a magazine (dont know which one it was) that had the new vette against the new gt500. gt500 has more hp and torque (thanks to a supercharger) but the vette was still quickerthan it....hahaha. fords are P.O.S. my god a n?a vette w/ 400 hp beat a SUPERCHARGED MUSTANG. if thats the case and they want to test that mustang agains the 427 camaro........ the camaro will destroy it with over 500 hp, BYE BYE FORD. GAME OVER
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Old 09-24-2006, 11:25 AM   #17
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that tis why I will only deal with a dealer that won't mark it up. just so happens there's one here in fayetteville. too bad aafes doesn't say gm cars anymore. I'd get deployed on purpose and buy it while I was there tax free and not marked up. lol.fun stuff. oh well. I won't deal with a dealer that marks up anything. and I tell all my friends not to. b/c why give them money and keep them in buisness. oh well.
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Its no longer a concept!!

Like I said previously, there will be a v-8 version and a v-6 version. As slated right now there is a LS-2 to go under the hood at 400hp. You guys are getting way ahead of the game on this horsepower thing!! Chevy will not put a car in the same class as a vette!!! The vette will get the upgrade before the camaro. They are playing with the idea of a Z07! Right now we have a 7.0L(vette) that has 505hp for under a $100k!!!! If anything is to change, it probably won't be the engine....it would be an addition of a turbo or supercharger!!! We still have 2 years left. By the way, if anyone is looking to buy a vette or needs info on any chevy products here is my info
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We are the corvette experts!!! We have a 66 vette with a big block 427 on sale for $89,980 on the showroom floor!!! and lots of c-5's and c-6's.- on sale now!!!!

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Like I said previously, there will be a v-8 version and a v-6 version. As slated right now there is a LS-2 to go under the hood at 400hp. You guys are getting way ahead of the game on this horsepower thing!! Chevy will not put a car in the same class as a vette!!! The vette will get the upgrade before the camaro. They are playing with the idea of a Z07! Right now we have a 7.0L(vette) that has 505hp for under a $100k!!!! If anything is to change, it probably won't be the engine....it would be an addition of a turbo or supercharger!!! We still have 2 years left. By the way, if anyone is looking to buy a vette or needs info on any chevy products here is my info
Dave G -- 253-845-9566--

We are the corvette experts!!! We have a 66 vette with a big block 427 on sale for $89,980 on the showroom floor!!! and lots of c-5's and c-6's.- on sale now!!!!

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actually they probably will change the engine. their always working on new motors and upgrades. if it doesnt change the first year it comes out it will the next year. something about it will change. like in the 98 - 00 camaro is a little different motor than the 01-2 because of the intake manifold and some other things. so im sure there will be a new ls motor soon. and they already have the camaro in the same class as the vette becasue it has the same motor. the days are long gone of rying notto piss off the vette guys because people are willing to pay for the z06 motor in the camaro. gm even announced that they werent going to try to keep the camaro under the vette. all you vette guys just dont want to see some of the options from the vette in the camaro becasue its a better deal. i like vettes, but i wouldnt pay 70g's for a z06 but i owuld pay upwards to 50g's for a ls7 camaro
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