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Old 04-08-2012, 04:35 PM   #1
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Underwhelmed by ZL1 convertible in person...

I was at the Palm Beach auction and surprised to see the ZL1 Vert there. I had been looking foreword to seeing one in person. I owned a 2010 SS which I really liked. I think the new steering wheel is horrendous. While I agree the old one didn't feel great - it looked retro cool. The new one is right out of the check parts bin. just looks cheap and out of place. The Nav system also looked chew and out of place.

This is what drives me nuts about GM. They design something cool then they go to the parts bin and start throwing things in that were never part of original design....I also thought the suede felt very cheap also.

I still may get one but I was really let down - then I walked over to see the new GT500 - everything is cohesive - no parts bin steering wheel - cool seats, dash, cue ball shifter etc...

I think they have made the camaro worse ...

Now the 60th Anniversary Vette was stunning - here is a car they made look better! after years gone by but the interior also sucks on this car - parts bin steering wheel also.

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Old 04-08-2012, 04:55 PM   #2
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:07 PM   #3
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I was at the Palm Beach auction and surprised to see the ZL1 Vert there. I had been looking foreword to seeing one in person. I owned a 2010 SS which I really liked. I think the new steering wheel is horrendous. While I agree the old one didn't feel great - it looked retro cool. The new one is right out of the check parts bin. just looks cheap and out of place. The Nav system also looked chew and out of place.

This is what drives me nuts about GM. They design something cool then they go to the parts bin and start throwing things in that were never part of original design....I also thought the suede felt very cheap also.

I still may get one but I was really let down - then I walked over to see the new GT500 - everything is cohesive - no parts bin steering wheel - cool seats, dash, cue ball shifter etc...

I think they have made the camaro worse ...

Now the 60th Anniversary Vette was stunning - here is a car they made look better! after years gone by but the interior also sucks on this car - parts bin steering wheel also.

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Don't get it please
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:11 PM   #4
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Well i agree the new steering wheel might not look like a sports car wheel, it doesn't look cheap though.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:15 PM   #5
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Ehhh... To each their own. I think it looks fine!
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:26 PM   #6
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:28 PM   #7
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While the looks of the new steering wheel aren't the best, the feel and function are much better than in previous models. I was surprised by how much I liked it when I picked up my ZL1 on Friday. Now I just need to black out the bowtie on it.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:30 PM   #8
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I say get the GT500 it will suit you
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:30 PM   #9
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I too was at the Barrat-Jackson Auction in West Palm Beach last Thursday and saw the two verts beside each other and thought.......it is great to see GM back in the game and producing two amazing cars!

I don't agree with the OP and thought the ZL1 vert was awesome and made me want one more! The 427 Vette vert is stunning for sure and if I had an extra $25K, it would be a tougher decision....but I don't lol.

I asked a GM employee near by which one he would take if he could have either (thinking he would say the Vette) and he said the ZL1 vert "without question". I thought his reason would be the extra power and it wasn't.....it was "how comfortable" a car it was. He had driven both and found the ZL1 interior quieter and just more comfortable to drive around town and faster.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:41 PM   #10
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... then I walked over to see the new GT500 - everything is cohesive - no parts bin steering wheel - cool seats, dash, cue ball shifter etc...
Based on what you've stated it appears clear that the new GT500 is best vehicle to hit American automotive showrooms since the 1964 1/2 Mustang, based on a Falcon suspension with a 170 CID 101 HP straight 6 and with 4 wheel drum brakes, appeared on Friday, April 17, 1964.
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:46 PM   #11
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The flat bottom on the steering wheel is functional like almost everything else on this car. It make moving your legs easier to heel toe shift while still staying close to the wheel. The steering wheel on the existing Camaro would right out of the "parts bin"! This is different.

Scott is sure right, you just can't make everyone happy.
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:20 PM   #12
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I agree a "little" on the steering wheel - I think it would be nice to have a big ZL1 instead of the gold Bowtie, but other than that I don't agree at all.

It sounds like you should buy the GT500
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:23 PM   #13
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Not a vert lover, make a car more flimsy then add a bunch of bracing and weight just to be topless.....
On top of the leaks etc. Screw that...
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:31 PM   #14
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Not a vert lover, make a car more flimsy then add a bunch of bracing and weight just to be topless.....
On top of the leaks etc. Screw that...
I thought the Camaro was built as a convertible first so the bracing etc. is already there. Then they made the coupe. I could be completely wrong on that one but it is in my memory for some reason.
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:47 PM   #15
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I also understood the Camaro was designed originally to accommodate a convertible and that the ZL1 has had additional strengthening.

For those that don't "get" why anyone would buy a performance designed vert like the ZL1, you should get behind the wheel on a warm day on a twistie road with the top down and run through the gears. The sound and experience of that boosted V8 are hard to match :-)


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Old 04-08-2012, 10:55 PM   #16
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Vetteman, I am sorry that you did not like the ZL1 but if you if you feel more comfortable in the GT500 then maybe it would be a better fit for you. It is a matter of individual taste. I personally like the Boss 302 more than the GT500 but the Boss is no ZL1. The ZL1 is a complete package of handling and power. The steering in the Z is covered with same material in the 60th Anniversary Vette. I finally got a chance to sit in the Z at Barrett-Jackson also and loved the steering wheel and shifter and I am glad that I choose the option for my car. Life is short, pick the car that will make you happy.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:22 PM   #17
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I though the older steerign wheel was just crappy looking. I like the new Dshape but to each there own.

getting you panties twisted over a stearing wheel is just insane though. go the wrecking yeard and trade them for a 2010 wheel.

I think our culture has gotten wierd if one element of the car is wrong people hate it.

I hate the center stereo section but I will repace it.
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Old 04-09-2012, 10:55 PM   #18
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I was at the Palm Beach auction and surprised to see the ZL1 Vert there. I had been looking foreword to seeing one in person. I owned a 2010 SS which I really liked. I think the new steering wheel is horrendous. While I agree the old one didn't feel great - it looked retro cool. The new one is right out of the check parts bin. just looks cheap and out of place. The Nav system also looked chew and out of place.

This is what drives me nuts about GM. They design something cool then they go to the parts bin and start throwing things in that were never part of original design....I also thought the suede felt very cheap also.

I still may get one but I was really let down - then I walked over to see the new GT500 - everything is cohesive - no parts bin steering wheel - cool seats, dash, cue ball shifter etc...

I think they have made the camaro worse ...

Now the 60th Anniversary Vette was stunning - here is a car they made look better! after years gone by but the interior also sucks on this car - parts bin steering wheel also.

Just my thoughts -
Sorry you feel that way.

I disagree completely. For instance...I think the shifter knob in the GT500 looks "cheap".
But - you know what they say about opinions... Perceptions are an incredible thing.
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:03 PM   #19
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the new steering wheel is a ton more appealing than the original imo.
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I though the older steerign wheel was just crappy looking. I like the new Dshape but to each there own.

getting you panties twisted over a stearing wheel is just insane though. go the wrecking yeard and trade them for a 2010 wheel.

I think our culture has gotten wierd if one element of the car is wrong people hate it.

I hate the center stereo section but I will repace it.
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The new steering wheel is a thousand times nicer than the old one...
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I think the new steering wheel is horrendous. While I agree the old one didn't feel great - it looked retro cool. The new one is right out of the check parts bin. just looks cheap and out of place.
I love my retro steering wheel.. and cannot for the life of me figure out why people complained about it in the first place.

GM listened to y'all's bitching and IMMEDIATELY changed it for U.. and then U complain.

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It's a steering wheel.

And if the old design was so bad... Maybe Lamborghini and Jaguar better redesign too...



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